A mother's love for her child. Almost all mothers care for their children. My point, however was that there was nothing holding her back from making whatever decision she saw fit
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A mother's love for her child. Almost all mothers care for their children. My point, however was that there was nothing holding her back from making whatever decision she saw fit
SovereignGrace
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You are sooo off on the flood account it’s scary. There were no innocent life when the flood took place my Sister. 5 Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.[Genesis 6] That’s not innocent ppl my Sister. However, 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the LORD. Noah was just as bad as the rest, but God’s favor was upon Him and chose him, his wife, three sons and their wives and wiped out the rest.
By your reasoning, God could have killed Adam and Eve even before they sinned. That’s horrible doctrine you’re averring my Sister.
Preacher4Truth
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Agreed, she's way off track. Seems on the road to blaming God like Job's wife in essence.
I can see how your theology fits into neat little boxes, whereas mine is probably less restrictive. I think ALL love comes from God since He IS love. (1 John 4:8)
You are forgetting about all the innocent animals who died in the Flood--I didn't.
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Read what David said. David was not saying that baby was in heaven, that’s you pouring your theology in the text. David was grieving the loss of his child and that he, too, would one day lie with his son in the grave. Just like the spouse who longs to be buried with their deceased spouse.
We lost our beloved Pug almost two years ago, and she’s buried in the family cemetery. Many times I feel like uncovering her grave and crawling in and covering myself up with her, I miss her so much!
That’s what David was referring to.
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They’re not made in God’s image either. Wow, comparing animals with humans.
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Yes. And that love would never cause God the kill(murder) an innocent person, either.
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But they’re not made in His image. Comparing innocent animals with fallen ppl made in God’s image?
Read what David said. David was not saying that baby was in heaven, that’s you pouring your theology in the text. David was grieving the loss of his child and that he, too, would one day lie with his son in the grave. Just like the spouse who longs to be buried with their deceased spouse.
We lost our beloved Pug almost two years ago, and she’s buried in the family cemetery. Many times I feel like uncovering her grave and crawling in and covering myself up with her, I miss her so much!
How do you know that? The text does not go into a theological discussion. A common teaching among the Jews (sorry, I don't know when it originated but it seems to be an ancient teaching) was that the souls of the dead go to "the place of the dead" (sheol in the Hebrew) which was divided into two separate parts--one for the righteous dead called "the bosom of Abraham" or later, simply Paradise (think of Jesus and the humble "thief on the cross". The other part was "the place of punishment" where the souls of the unrighteous went. This is exactly the picture that Jesus presents in Luke 16 in the parable of "the rich man and the other Lazarus". Which place do you think that David was picturing for himself and his little one?
SovereignGrace
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To me, I see David grieving over his son and wanting to be buried with him. He wrote Psalms 51 and 58 and saw his sin, even at conception, so he wouldn’t automatically see his son going to heaven. It’s pitting David vs David if he was saying what you think he’s saying.
Believe it or not, the Bible is rather silent to the destination of babies upon death. A former pastor of mine, who is not a Calvinist, even said this.
SovereignGrace
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Well, the Jews also believed the spirit of a person waited around for three days for a chance to re-enter that body. That’s why the Christ waited for four days before coming to Bethany to raise Lazarus.
When Enoch and Elijah left, they went up, not to the paradise side of hades.
You are too earthly-minded. If God decides to take someone from the earth, it can never be a "murder". Only humans murder. Paul wasn't at all concerned about the mode of his death, he was merely looking forward to being with the Lord.
SovereignGrace
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But they were not innocent my Sister. Our bodies are still saturated with sin. That’s why even the best believers die.
We are told that Enoch and Elijah did not die.
Where is that in Scripture--that our bodies are "saturated with sin"? All humans since the Fall have died as the warned consequence of the contagion of sin loosed on the earth by Adam and Eve, not because "our bodies are saturated with sin". That's just weird. A body is simply an inanimate object once the soul has departed.
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We are conceived in sin my Sister. Read Romans 7:14-25. There is a battle of the spirit and the flesh of believers.
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They went to be with the Lord, where all believers go upon death. To be absent from the body...
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