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Ecc 7:29, Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Luk 8:15, But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Act 11:24, For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.

Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Rom 15:14, And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

Now before you go and accuse me of taking these verses out of context, let me say that I quote them knowing that you will bring the balance to them with the scriptures on Total Depravity.

The question is whether you can harmonize your scriptures with the scriptures that I have presented to you above.

When I quote Luke 8:15, I usually quote Jeremiah 17:9 and then Ezekiel 36:25-27 next before quoting Luke 8:15.

So there is a little bit of harmonizing so that your job won't be too difficult.

I am also quoting these verses so that we can all put our heads together to discover what they mean together.

re #1326, Calvinism is a Cult

Mjh29:
There is no such thing as an innocent life.
 
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Ecclesiastes 7:29 is referring to Adam and Eve pre-fall.
Luke 8:15 is referring to someone already saved, seeing they are producing fruit while the other three soils didn't.
Acts of the Apostles 11:24 is speaking about Barnabas a fellow companion of Paul and also a believer.
Galatians 5:22-23 is speaking of those who are saved, seeing they have faith, which is a fruit as are the others mentioned.
Romans 15:14 is speaking to believers, not unbelievers.
 

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Ecc 7:29, Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Luk 8:15, But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Act 11:24, For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.

Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Rom 15:14, And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

Now before you go and accuse me of taking these verses out of context, let me say that I quote them knowing that you will bring the balance to them with the scriptures on Total Depravity.

The question is whether you can harmonize your scriptures with the scriptures that I have presented to you above.

When I quote Luke 8:15, I usually quote Jeremiah 17:9 and then Ezekiel 36:25-27 next before quoting Luke 8:15.

So there is a little bit of harmonizing so that your job won't be too difficult.

I am also quoting these verses so that we can all put our heads together to discover what they mean together.

None of these can you lump with all mankind except Ecclesiastes 7:29, and that is talking about them post-fall.
 

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I want you all to think of the nastiest food you can think of. The one food that makes your stomach churn just thinking about it. Now, try and will yourself to like it by eating it over and over until you force yourself to like it.

That's the same thing that is being taught on here. Ppl hate God in their lost condition. They loathe Him to their very core. That is what Paul wrote in Romans 8:5-9. Yet, they think they can will themselves to love that which makes their stomach churn and skin crawl.
 
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#1402:

Ecclesiastes 7:29 is referring to Adam and Eve pre-fall.
Luke 8:15 is referring to someone already saved, seeing they are producing fruit while the other three soils didn't.
Acts of the Apostles 11:24 is speaking about Barnabas a fellow companion of Paul and also a believer.
Galatians 5:22-23 is speaking of those who are saved, seeing they have faith, which is a fruit as are the others mentioned.
Romans 15:14 is speaking to believers, not unbelievers.
 

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[quote justbyfaith~] Ecc 7:29, Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Luk 8:15, But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Act 11:24, For he was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith: and much people was added unto the Lord.

Gal 5:22, But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23, Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Rom 15:14, And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

Now before you go and accuse me of taking these verses out of context, let me say that I quote them knowing that you will bring the balance to them with the scriptures on Total Depravity.

The question is whether you can harmonize your scriptures with the scriptures that I have presented to you above.

When I quote Luke 8:15, I usually quote Jeremiah 17:9 and then Ezekiel 36:25-27 next before quoting Luke 8:15.

So there is a little bit of harmonizing so that your job won't be too difficult.

I am also quoting these verses so that we can all put our heads together to discover what they mean together.

<edit>re #1326, Calvinism is a Cult

Mjh29:
There is no such thing as an innocent life
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Ecclesiastes 7:29 is referring to Adam and Eve pre-fall.
Luke 8:15 is referring to someone already saved, seeing they are producing fruit while the other three soils didn't.
Acts of the Apostles 11:24 is speaking about Barnabas a fellow companion of Paul and also a believer.
Galatians 5:22-23 is speaking of those who are saved, seeing they have faith, which is a fruit as are the others mentioned.
Romans 15:14 is speaking to believers, not unbelievers.
 
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The point being that, even with your response, there is such a thing as an innocent life (the saved life).

And therefore, my point has been made quite nicely.
 

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I want you all to think of the nastiest food you can think of. The one food that makes your stomach churn just thinking about it. Now, try and will yourself to like it by eating it over and over until you force yourself to like it.

That's the same thing that is being taught on here. Ppl hate God in the lost condition. They loathe Him to their very core. That is what Paul wrote in Romans 8:5-9. Yet, they think they can will themselves to love that which makes their stomach churn and skin crawl.
You're wrong to relate God to what makes our stomach churn and our skin to crawl.

God is good.
 

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Yes--I guess the Calvinists are saying that not only did the baby go to eternal punishment, but David did as well?

King David definitely went to heaven according to the following verses:

Psa 21:1, [[To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.]] The king shall joy in thy strength, O LORD; and in thy salvation how greatly shall he rejoice!
Psa 21:2, Thou hast given him his heart's desire, and hast not withholden the request of his lips. Selah.
Psa 21:3, For thou preventest him with the blessings of goodness: thou settest a crown of pure gold on his head.
Psa 21:4, He asked life of thee, and thou gavest it him, even length of days for ever and ever.
Psa 21:5, His glory is great in thy salvation: honour and majesty hast thou laid upon him.
Psa 21:6, For thou hast made him most blessed for ever: thou hast made him exceeding glad with thy countenance.
Psa 21:7, For the king trusteth in the LORD, and through the mercy of the most High he shall not be moved.
 

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You're wrong to relate God to what makes our stomach churn and our skin to crawl.

God is good.

Yes God is good, but fallen man is bad, Bruh. You have an incorrect view of fallen man. The unregenerate are not walking around looking for a way into God's Kingdom. They hate Him, are at enmity, have an ill-will towards Him, Bruh.

διότι τὸ φρόνημα τῆς σαρκὸς ἔχθρα εἰς θεόν, τῷ γὰρ νόμῳ τοῦ θεοῦ οὐχ ὑποτάσσεται, οὐδὲ γὰρ δύναται·[Romans 8:7]

That which is bolded is echthra and it means enmity, discord, feud, alienation. The unregenerate are in this towards God in their fallen state.

Enmity means 'the state or feeling of being actively opposed or hostile to someone or something.' They are actively at odds, have an ill-will towards God. God makes their stomach churn.
 
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The point being that, even with your response, there is such a thing as an innocent life (the saved life).

And therefore, my point has been made quite nicely.

We are in Christ, but we still die due to the flesh still being fallen. Even the saved die, but not eternally as the lost do. We die in our flesh, but we go to be with Him until He brings us back with Him[1 Thessalonians 4:13-18] and our bodies are resurrected and reunited with our spirits. The lost die in their flesh, but also die eternally and go to an eternal hell upon being resurrected.
 
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I am still waiting on you to show me where it is okay for God to kill the innocent...AKA murder them. David wrote 25 I have been young and now I am old, Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken Or his descendants begging bread.Psalms 37] Yet it is okay for those who have never been forsaken by God because they have been justified, declared righteous before Him, for Him to slay them that are righteous.

Soooo, where are the verse or verses at my Sister?


I don't think God can be accused of murder. Murder is unlawful killing, and God is always lawful.
Am I missing something here?
 

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I am still waiting on you to show me where it is okay for God to kill the innocent...AKA murder them. David wrote 25 I have been young and now I am old, Yet I have not seen the righteous forsaken Or his descendants begging bread.Psalms 37] Yet it is okay for those who have never been forsaken by God because they have been justified, declared righteous before Him, for Him to slay them that are righteous.

Soooo, where are the verse or verses at my Sister?
Unfortunately she's going to make unfounded and baseless assertions, and insulting accusations, but will not give any evidence for them because she cannot.

Same thing she did when she asserted Calvinism is false because of her unbiblical opinions, subjectivity, and errant positions on soteriology and the Gospel. It appears she thinks she's an unquestioned authority.
 

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Ecclesiastes 7:29 is referring to Adam and Eve pre-fall.
Luke 8:15 is referring to someone already saved, seeing they are producing fruit while the other three soils didn't.
Acts of the Apostles 11:24 is speaking about Barnabas a fellow companion of Paul and also a believer.
Galatians 5:22-23 is speaking of those who are saved, seeing they have faith, which is a fruit as are the others mentioned.
Romans 15:14 is speaking to believers, not unbelievers.
None of those to whom you are replying will concede to proper context as you've given them. Why? Being "right" in their own eyes is vastly more important than conceding and bowing to Scripture.

As far as I can tell, not one of them have conceded to even one point. In their eyes we're still in a cult, even though we've proven our doctrine to be biblically sound.
 
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