The Coming Great Apostasy

bbyrd009 said:

well I had our civil "laws" based upon them in mind, but Sabbath might be a good example there? Even though I keep Saturday too, imo we cannot ignore One esteems one day, while another esteems all days alike (paraphrased)

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It applies to the yearly sabbaths of the Jews, which some argued for and others against. There's not one instance in the Bible or church history until the papacy came along where the weekly Sabbath was condemned.

bbyrd009 said:

aw, you're so helpful, ty.
I don't read Bible versions in English, period though, sorry.
So strike four ok.

Now do you want to address the subject, maybe provide us a valid link for your assertion up there or not, bc wadr I doubt you are going to get any valid witnesses to it. Which is I guess why you steered the subject back to me right?


and in its absence--which is what is surely what is going to manifest here too I guess--I'll leave you the last word ok
(as if, I'm sure)

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Enough with the dodge and weave, let's get to the answer to my question.
Since you can't bring yourself to it, the answer is, BOTH "the least" and "great" are "IN THE KoH".
Mat. 5:20 reveals is how that is so.

bbyrd009 said:

well, that would be an extreme example, a psychopath, but I guess many ppl are casually sociopathic without realizing it, or even meaning to be. The treatment of the opposing team in a high school football contest is maybe a good example...contests, period, are too I guess. Islamophobics are obvious sociopaths, might be a bit harder to see the connection but so obviously are Christian Soldiers or even Spiritual Warriors, etc. Any of the pop inferences that the battle is not already won iow; "fight the devil and he will flee" type language, obv very prevalent, millions of hits on Google for that

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Don't people have legit reasons for being opposed to Islam? I mean, nobody cares about the Amish living among them, and they are just as militant in their faith as are Muslims...minus the IEDs, bomb vests, and box cutters.

Earburner said:

He came to SAVE US FROM eternal death.
He solved that problem with sin, as prophesied in the 70 weeks of Daniel 9:24- "to make an end of sins,...".
Was Jesus successful? YES!! But YOU don't know how or why.
Sin IS the CAUSE of our death.

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He saves us from eternal death...by us entering into a saving relationship with Him where He becomes both Savior and Lord of our lives, right?

Everybody only wants Jesus as Savior, but nobody wants Him as Lord...just show them the commandments He wrote with His own finger in stone - including the Sabbath commandment - and the horns, fangs, and claws come out.

Phoneman777 said:

It applies to the yearly sabbaths of the Jews

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hmm you think? Then why would it be phrased "one day; all days" iyo?

Davy said:

Your in company with seminary Preterists and Historicists who live in the past.

The Protestant Reformation ended a long time ago. Protestants fought literally, the Catholic Church in Europe, and the Protestants left those Catholic nations or converted. The pope wasn't the Antichrist then, and nor is he the Antichrist now. Rome isn't even where the battle at the end of this world takes place!

No, men like you get suckered by Satan's servants in high places that like to try and get Christ's servants for the end of this world off the subject of Bible prophecy involving Jerusalem, and instead pointing to Rome, or New York, or Brussels, or Washington, D.C., etc. Many Jews hate the Roman Church and the pope, so there's another group that likes to concentrate on hating the pope. They even smear the pope during the time of Hitler, falsely trying to link the pope then to the Holocaust!

It's about Jerusalem for the end of this world, not Rome.

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PM, do you follow that Jerusalem is MbtG,MoH?

Phoneman777 said:

Don't people have legit reasons for being opposed to Islam? I mean, nobody cares about the Amish living among them, and they are just as militant in their faith as are Muslims...minus the IEDs, bomb vests, and box cutters.

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Ok well for that I'm pretty sure the local Muslims in your area outnumber the local anabaptists, so tell me about the IEDs, bomb vests, and box cutters you have experienced from them.

Imo the supposedly "legit" reasons are collected from their home countries, on the other side of the planet, where US are the occupiers, right. So we have to consider the odds that an US apparatus would abuse the bully pulpit there?

Phoneman777 said:

1. He saves us from eternal death...by us entering into a saving relationship with Him where He becomes both Savior and Lord of our lives, right?

2. Everybody only wants Jesus as Savior, but nobody wants Him as Lord...just show them the commandments He wrote with His own finger in stone - including the Sabbath commandment - and the horns, fangs, and claws come out.

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1. Yes, it's called "blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection". Rev.
2. So, is Jesus any less to me or Himself, if I should die in the same day that I have faith in Him as my Savior. Will he go back on his Promise and deny a man's simple confession of faith and trust?
Luke 23:42-43
I think not! Therefore, whether he is Savior or Lord in my life, He is faithful, and cannot deny Himself.

Phoneman777 said:

Everybody only wants Jesus as Savior, but nobody wants Him as Lord...just show them the commandments He wrote with His own finger in stone - including the Sabbath commandment - and the horns, fangs, and claws come out.

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Who wrote them in Stone???

Deu_9:10 And the LORD delivered unto me two tables of stone written with the finger of God; and on them was written according to all the words, which the LORD spake with you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly.

whose law

Luk_24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
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Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Act_13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Davy said:

Irrelevant. The temple in Jerusalem Paul prophesied of has nothing to do with the Roman empire. Paul was prophesying of a future event in Jerusalem at the end of this world when Jesus returns.

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The fact that Irenaeus believe the Antichrist would arise on the heels of the fallen Roman Empire and among the ten horns is "irrelevant" in determining if he was a Historicist or Futurist, when what he believed is EXACTLY what textbook Historicism teaches and has nothing to do with Futurism's "last 7 years of tribulation" Antichrist, as you claimed?

Davy said:

Your in company with seminary Preterists and Historicists who live in the past.

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Correction: Protestant Historicists have nothing to do with Jesuit Preterism whatsoever, so please don't confuse the two.

The Protestant Reformation ended a long time ago.

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Says who? You?

The pope wasn't the Antichrist then, and nor is he the Antichrist now. Rome isn't even where the battle at the end of this world takes place!

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The papacy was and still is the Antichrist of prophecy, and the fact that you're looking to the Middle East for the fulfillment of prophecy just proves how deeply ensnared you are in the errors of Jesuit Futurist theology.

men like you get suckered by Satan's servants in high places that like to try and get Christ's servants for the end of this world off the subject of Bible prophecy involving Jerusalem

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End time prophecy has nothing to do with Jerusalem - or did you miss the memo?

• "The kingdom of God shall be taken from (Israel) and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof".
• "They are not all Israel that are of Israel".
• "He is not a Jew who is one outwardly, whose circumcision is of the flesh, but he is a Jew that is one inwardly, whose circumcision is of the heart".
• "And to all who walk according to this rule (the rule of Christ making us new creatures), peace be upon them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God (those walking according to the rule of the new creature in Christ)".
• "They will come from the East, West, North, South and sit down...(Israel) shall be cast out."
• "Since (Israel) has judged yourselves unworthy of eternal life, lo we turn to the Gentiles."
• "If ye be Christ's (not Israel), then are ye Abraham's seed..."
• "Your house is left unto you desolate".
• "And so all Israel (those who belong to Christ) shall be saved."

mjrhealth said:

Keeping the Sabbath under false pretenses is an even greater one.

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I haven't seen your name on the FBI's Most Wanted list, so I'm going to accuse you of keeping "thou shalt not kill" under false pretense.

bbyrd009 said:

hmm you think? Then why would it be phrased "one day; all days" iyo?

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How is that a problem? It's a means of differentiating between any of the seven.

bbyrd009 said:

Ok well for that I'm pretty sure the local Muslims in your area outnumber the local anabaptists, so tell me about the IEDs, bomb vests, and box cutters you have experienced from them.

Imo the supposedly "legit" reasons are collected from their home countries, on the other side of the planet, where US are the occupiers, right. So we have to consider the odds that an US apparatus would abuse the bully pulpit there?

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No doubt the U.S. is engaging in human rights violations in order to step up the NWO agenda end game. But do we really need to stick our hand through the gate to see if a growling, vicious looking pit bull will bite it off? Islamic authoritative works command the three stages of Jihad: Stealth, Defensive, and Offensive where ever Muslim settlements are established. We have no-go zones in Dearborn, Michigan. The only weapons the Amish are credited with building are those fancy wrought iron room heaters which overpower anyone near them with the urge to take a nice, relaxing nap.

Phoneman777 said:

I haven't seen your name on the FBI's Most Wanted list, so I'm going to accuse you of keeping "thou shalt not kill" under false pretense.

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You just lack understanding., Is it Gods fault that men prefer there religions and there doctrines to truth, it funny how you come and accuse all those who do not keep the law as being sinners yet the bible specifically says the law is fore sinners so therefore you accuse yourself, this wont end, simply because we wont let go of Christ for religion and you wont let go of your religion to follow Christ.

Luk 9:59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
Luk 9:60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.
Luk 9:61 And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house.
Luk 9:62 And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Mat 15:7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
Mat 15:8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Have a nice day

Phoneman777 said:

No doubt the U.S. is engaging in human rights violations in order to step up the NWO agenda end game. But do we really need to stick our hand through the gate to see if a growling, vicious looking pit bull will bite it off? Islamic authoritative works command the three stages of Jihad: Stealth, Defensive, and Offensive where ever Muslim settlements are established. We have no-go zones in Dearborn, Michigan. The only weapons the Amish are credited with building are those fancy wrought iron room heaters which overpower anyone near them with the urge to take a nice, relaxing nap.

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There is no NWO. Even in the Bible there will never be a time of one world government before the MK.

Earburner said:

if I should die in the same day that I have faith in Him as my Savior. Will he go back on his Promise and deny a man's simple confession of faith and trust?

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No. Now, say after years of the Holy Spirit whispering, "thou shalt not commit adultery, so leave that porn alone"...and by your steadfast refusal to heed His voice you put the final brick in the wall between your ears and His voice which renders you unable to hear Him any longer, can He save you a branch who has by your own action cut yourself off from Him the Vine?

Do you think all those warnings in the NT about not searing the conscience and not failing to abide in the Vine are their as paper tiger statements? Be not deceived, God is not mocked.

mjrhealth said:

Who wrote them in Stone???

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Jesus, the God of the OT.

Phoneman777 said:

Jesus, the God of the OT.

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No, God did or cant your read, and Jesus is our Saviour in the NT,

Joh_7:19 Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law? Why go ye about to kill me?

and still men dont though they boast about it.

Phoneman777 said:

No. Now, say after years of the Holy Spirit whispering, "thou shalt not commit adultery, so leave that porn alone"...and by your steadfast refusal to heed His voice you put the final brick in the wall between your ears and His voice which renders you unable to hear Him any longer, can He save you a branch who has by your own action cut yourself off from Him the Vine?

Do you think all those warnings in the NT about not searing the conscience and not failing to abide in the Vine are their as paper tiger statements? Be not deceived, God is not mocked.

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Show me where the Bible gives a time limit on repentance.

The only time limit is if you die without repenting.

More Gnosticism from you.

Searing one's conscience is not time related.