Labor To Enter Into What Rest?

marks said:

Let's look at all my post, shall we? Or not. Why change now?

And the endless denigrations? What do you call that?

Much love!
Mark

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You have a chip on your shoulder if you are here to debate.

Dave L said:

Most were wicked beyond compare. Only the few born again were saved.

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But weren't the Ten Commandments given to all of them?

Phoneman777 said:

But weren't the Ten Commandments given to all of them?

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“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” (1 Timothy 1:9–10) (KJV 1900)

Here's how it works. Abraham, Job, Abel and all of the faithful did not need to be told not to do the things the Ten Commandments forbade. They had the Two Great Commandments awakened in their heart through the New Birth. But God used wicked unbelievers to form a protective hedge around the believers until the promised seed Christ arrived. To these he aimed the Ten Commandments. The Born Again naturally kept them in love for God and others. The unregenerate kept them in greed and fear of loss. The Commandments promised material gain in return for obedience and death and loss for disobedience.

When Christ arrived, God removed the Ten Commandments and the physical nation leaving only the believers as Israel. All believers have the Two Great Commandments written in the heart and naturally fulfill the Ten because of this.

Dave L said:

You have a chip on your shoulder if you are here to debate.

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good deflection Dave

bbyrd009 said:

um, fwiw that may not be the best case that it appears, strange as that might sound. You could assume other perspectives just to see where they go maybe. Imo that is the worst one, but I know that is not easy to immediately connect with "hiding wisdom from the wise"

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this might seem counter-intuitive, but after all the pov you fwd is the default one, right

marks said:

More impeachment without contribution.

I've gained over the years by my online debates with those who disagree with me. I really enjoy debating with smart people who can conduct a reasoned debate who hold viewpoints opposing mine. It tests my views, and sometimes I've changed them. It keeps me sharp.

I am amazed at the sheer volume of personal attacks against me on this forum. Not so much fun. Much more fun if someone will actually address my arguments with an actual refutation, not just handfuls of fallacies.

It's actually disappointing. I came here hoping for something better.

Much love!
Mark

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As one who follows Christ, did you really expect any less, Christ got killed by those whom He came to save, He said His followers would be dealt no differently.

Dave L said:

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient,

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So, you're saying those who are made righteous by Jesus are free to worship Satan? Or are they obligated to worship God alone?

How long halt ye between two opinions? If the Lord is God, worship (and obey) Him, but if OSAS is god, then worship Satan without fear of losing out on eternal peace and harmony.

Dave L said:

I understand them to be the same in the end.

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Dave L said:

I understand them to be the same in the end.

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Well not necessarily... the word is krisis, which (according to Strong's concordance) means decision (for or against) a tribunal: by implication justice (specifically, divine law). In other words, it has to do with making a decision in regard to two disagreeing parties about what is right and what is wrong. Most people believe that judgment is a negative word, but it is actually neutral. In other words, the one that is right want be condemned, but the one that is wrong will stay in judgment until he has paid he very last mite (Luke 12:59).

So what does that have to do with the Sabbath Rest? God will keep the unbeliever in the carnal mind until they have learned their lesson or until the Jubilee. That is when the whole creation will be set free from the carnal mind, which is death (Romans 8:6). Paul told us one day, the whole creation was going to be set free and placed in the rest of God (Romans 8:21). But the ones that overcome in this lifetime will be released early and will be blessed and holy bringing judgment upon the rest of the world (1st Corinthians 6:2). We do know now what judgment is for, but if you don't, Isaiah explained it very simply by saying, when judgment is in the land, people learn righteousness (Isaiah 26:9).

What a God! What a plan!
Logabe

Hidden In Him said:

In Hebrews 4:9, believers in Christ were told that there remains a Sabbath rest unto the people of God, and in v.11 that they were to labor to enter into that rest.

What was it/ is it, and how were they/ are we to labor to enter into it?

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This thread seems to have come a long way from the OP.
It is obvious some people still believe that they can do something to improve theirselves in God eyes and become more presentable to Him.

Dave L said:

“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” (1 Timothy 1:9–10) (KJV 1900)

Here's how it works. Abraham, Job, Abel and all of the faithful did not need to be told not to do the things the Ten Commandments forbade. They had the Two Great Commandments awakened in their heart through the New Birth. But God used wicked unbelievers to form a protective hedge around the believers until the promised seed Christ arrived. To these he aimed the Ten Commandments. The Born Again naturally kept them in love for God and others. The unregenerate kept them in greed and fear of loss. The Commandments promised material gain in return for obedience and death and loss for disobedience.

When Christ arrived, God removed the Ten Commandments and the physical nation leaving only the believers as Israel. All believers have the Two Great Commandments written in the heart and naturally fulfill the Ten because of this.

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Amen Brother. Very good word.

Elisha prayed at Dothan. V, "And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw..."

So many still cannot see. They would rather keep labouring and thinking they are pleasing God ...than enter into Him who is our Rest.

Why is it that at other times we are at loggerheads ? Ha!

Phoneman777 said:

So, you're saying those who are made righteous by Jesus are free to worship Satan? Or are they obligated to worship God alone?

How long halt ye between two opinions? If the Lord is God, worship (and obey) Him, but if OSAS is god, then worship Satan without fear of losing out on eternal peace and harmony.

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It is clear that you are the only one who wishes to worship satan, as Love could never do such a thing, You where offered life and death, you choose death by the law, it is not Gods doing.

mjrhealth said:

It is clear that you are the only one who wishes to worship satan, as Love could never do such a thing, You where offered life and death, you choose death by the law, it is not Gods doing.

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Now about you answer the question: Are Christians obligated to keep "thou shalt have no other gods before Me" or are they free to worship Satan in an orgy of concupiscence?

How long halt ye between two opinions? Please answer the above question.

Phoneman777 said:

Now about you answer the question: Are Christians obligated to keep "thou shalt have no other gods before Me" or are they free to worship Satan in an orgy of concupiscence?

How long halt ye between two opinions? Please answer the above question.

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If you want to worship satan it is is your free will you do not have to ask me or God. He did give you free will ...

Phoneman777 said:

So, you're saying those who are made righteous by Jesus are free to worship Satan? Or are they obligated to worship God alone?

How long halt ye between two opinions? If the Lord is God, worship (and obey) Him, but if OSAS is god, then worship Satan without fear of losing out on eternal peace and harmony.

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You are not saved if you need to be told not to murder or steal. Much less worship Satan. Are ANY SDAs saved needing to be told these things?

Dave L said:

Most were wicked beyond compare. Only the few born again were saved.

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So will the wicked ones get a second chance or will they be lost forever?

logabe said:

So will the wicked ones get a second chance or will they be lost forever?

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People don't have chances to save themselves. God either saves a person or he does not.

Hidden In Him said:

In Hebrews 4:9, believers in Christ were told that there remains a Sabbath rest unto the people of God, and in v.11 that they were to labor to enter into that rest.

What was it/ is it, and how were they/ are we to labor to enter into it?

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As I said in post #2, we labor in our faith. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17). Abraham believed God and it was accounted unto him for righteousness. In other words, Abraham heard what God said and he acted on it because he trusted him. Abraham was just like us. He had doubts @ times just like we do, but when God spoke and said Sarah will have a child knowing they were both to old, he was not weak in faith , but believe what God said was going to come to pass. (Romans 4:18-20). But I Love the next verse, And being fully persuaded that, what he promised, he was able also to perform (Romans 4:21).

When Abraham was tried, he offered up Isaac the promised seed knowing that God was able to raise him up even from the dead. Think about that for a minute. Do you realize how hard that is, but because Abraham meditated upon God's word it was actually easy for him. Why? Because he knew God and by knowing him He could REST in his decisions.

God will allow some same situations to occur in our lives also. Your faith will be tested, but it will be for our growth in knowing that God is able to bring about His Promises in our life. It will not be easy if we still have some of the world in our life. But the purpose of your trials is to increase your knowledge so you can grow in GRACE and the knowledge of Jesus Christ, which pushes the world out of our lives. So labor in these things so you can be worthy of this rest that the Lord will give you when your Tabernacle is complete.

Dave L said:

People don't have chances to save themselves. God either saves a person or he does not.

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Will God raise them up and save them?

logabe said:

Will God raise them up and save them?

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All who trust in Christ by grace.

Dave L said:

All who trust in Christ by grace.

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Romans 12:26, Paul is talking about all Israelites that fell in the wilderness. Will God save them or was Paul talking about someone else?

logabe said:

Romans 12:26, Paul is talking about all Israelites that fell in the wilderness. Will God save them or was Paul talking about someone else?

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Probably not.