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Then, perhaps YOU can explain to us how the Catholic Church is a "cult" since your alter-ego CoreIssue seems to be afraid to . . .
There is more than one set of apocryphas.
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... so ...."great minds think a like? " Lol!
Ya, like how long you been on this forum? years? I've been here about a week.
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Owned CTZ about 15 years. Two great administrators with me. One from the beginning and one for most of time. One a tech in the other a retired Canadian pharmacist just a few months older than me.
The tech did a great job designing the logo we used for the longest time.
Tell you what i will find you lots of you tube links shouldnt take long.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKByrRqQXuI
now you wont have to look
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And not ONE of these videos says that the Catholic Church performed abortions.
Not ONE.
Soooooo, are you going to retract your claim - or do you want to stand by your violation of God's Commandment against bearing FALSE witness??
Waht you want me to find one of those too. OK.
how many more of her sins do you want to see.
you asked for the evidence now you have it,,,
That sounds great. Nice Logo, I'll check it out, perhaps more biblical Christians there.
Well, exactly. The very word 'deuterocanonical' means outside the canon (of Scripture).
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A few but not many. Just as this form is only a fraction of the membership, CTZ has shrunk from a few thousand to a handful.
RaptureReady has suffered the same decline in many other forms have simply closed.
The apostasy is in every corner and aspect of the world.
Congress and your local governments.
How healthy are churches in your area.
I have seen so much slide since the 50s and 60s.
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ONE more time, Einstein.
YOU made the claim that the Catholic Church performed abortions.
You have YET to prove this. Let's assume for a moment that you are "correct" and that some bad things went on in some convents because there were some "bad" priests and "bad" nuns. There would be the sins of those few bad priests and nuns - NOT the Catholic Church at large.
There are bad or disobedient people in EVERY religious group - INCLUDING your own.
Are YOUR sins the fault of YOUR pastor?? Are HIS sins YOUR fault??
ALL you've presented are the usual conspiracy theories about pregnant nuns.
You have FAILED to prove that the Catholic Church performed abortions.
Another impotent, anti-Catholic attack.
Just as I thought . . .
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Are you saying that these things are "unbiblical"?
Let's examine what the Bible - and linguistics has to say . . .
First of all - to "Pray" simply means to ASK. I get really tired of posting this because it SHOULD have sunk in by now . . .
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary
Pray
verb \ˈprā\
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying
intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving
As you can see - "worship" is a SECONDARY definition. The PRIMARY definition is "ASK". We ASK those in Heaven to pray FOR us - just as those in Heaven take our prayers before God in Rev. 5:8.
If you want to get technical - here are 135 examples of JESUS - praying to other humans . . .
(Matt. 5:46, Matt. 5:47, Matt. 6:27, Matt. 6:28, Matt. 7:3, Matt. 7:16, Matt. 8:26, Matt. 9:4, Matt. 9:5, Matt. 9:15, Matt. 9:28, Matt. 11:7, Matt. 11:16, Matt. 12:11, Matt. 12:29, Matt. 12:34, Matt. 12:48, Matt. 14:31, Matt. 15:3, Matt. 15:34, Matt. 16:9, Matt. 16:13, Matt. 16:15, Matt. 16:26, Matt. 17:17, Matt. 17:25, Matt. 18:12, Matt. 19:17, Matt. 20:21, Matt. 20:22, Matt. 20:32, Matt. 21:25, Matt. 21:28, Matt. 21:42, Matt. 22:18, Matt. 22:42, Matt. 23:17-19, Matt. 23:33, Matt. 26:10, Matt. 26:40, Matt. 26:53, Matt. 26:54, Matt. 26:55, Matt. 27:46, Mark 2:8, Mark 4:21, Mark 4:30, Mark 4:40, Mark 5:9, Mark 5:30, Mark 5:39, Mark 7:18, Mark 7:18, Mark 8:12, Mark 8:17-18, Mark 8:19, Mark 8:20, Mark 8:21, Mark 8:23, Mark 9:12, Mark 9:33, Mark 9:50, Mark 10:3, Mark 10:18, Mark 10:51, Mark 12:15, Mark 13:2, Mark 14:37, Mark 14:37, Luke 2:49, Luke 2:49, Luke 5:22, Luke 5:23, Luke 6:46, Luke 8:25, Luke 8:30, Luke 8:45, Luke 10:15, Luke 10:26, Luke 10:36, Luke 11:40, Luke 12:14-15, Luke 12:25, Luke 12:57, Luke 14:31, Luke 14:34, Luke 15:4, Luke 15:8, Luke 16:11, Luke 17:17, Luke 18:7, Luke 18:8, Luke 22:27, Luke 22:46, Luke 23:31, Luke 24:17, Luke 24:19, Luke 24:26, Luke 24:38, Luke 24:41, John 1:38, John 2:4, John 3:10, John 3:12, John 4:7, John 5:6, John 5:44, John 5:47, John 6:5, John 6:61, John 6:62, John 6:67, John 6:70, John 7:19, John7:19, John 7:23, John 8:10, John 8:43, John 8:46, John 8:46, John 10:36, John 11:9, John 11:26, John 11:33, John 13:12, John 14:9, John 18:4,7, John 18:11, John 18:34, John 18:21, John 18:23, John 20:15, John 21:5, John 21:17, John 21:22)
Strike ONE . . .
As for the term "Holy" Father - the word "Holy" simply means to be "set apart".
We are ALL called to be holy (Lev. 11:45, Heb. 12:14, 1 Pet. 1:15, Rev. 22:11), so I'm NOT sure why you would have a problem with this . . .
1 Pet. 1:15-16 says explicitly:
ut just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do “Be holy, because I am holy.”
Strike TWO . . .
Finally - as to Purgatory - this is a BIBLICAL concept.
Since Rev. 21:27 tells us that nothing unclean can enter heaven, a final purification or purgation is necessary for some before entering heaven.
In 2 Macc. 42-46, we see that Judas Maccabeus prays for the men of his army, killed in battle. Verse 44 says, “… for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.”
Matt. 5:25-26 tells us that unless we have settled our matters, we will be “handed over to the prison guard and will not be released until we have paid the last penny.”
We are told in 1 Cor. 3:12-15 that the day (judgment) will disclose the foundation that a person builds upon and how it will be revealed: “If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire.”
This can't be Heaven because the person is suffering.
This can't be Hell because the person WILL BE saved.
This is describing a THIRD state - PURGATION/PURIFICATION.
Additionally, Matt. 12:32 states, “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”, which indicates that there is purification after death for some. Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59 are additional verses that support this doctrine.
Strike THREE . . .
strike 4 i reject your reply we do not pray to mary no more than one calling the pope holy father your theory of purgatory IS NOT BIBLE so try again there is no hope with the pope
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Your entire argument is encapsulated in RED above.
I'm "wrong" because YOU reject what I said - without ANY Biblical or linguistic evidence like I presented.
Matt. 5:25-26, 1 Cor. 3:12-15, Matt. 12:32, Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59 are NOT Scripture?? I just PROVED to you that those beliefs are Biblical - so your rejection is without merit . . .
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These people don't know anything so when it comes down to it all they can do is say something like that. These people don't know anything about Church history and I am very surprised that they even say the Acts council wasn't wrong. These people are the most illiterate I had ever seen.
Why would you say that? Anyone can read the Catechism of the Catholic Church online and determine their doctrines. And you don't need a Ph. D. to understand fiction. For example, let's take fictitious Purgatory.
III. The Final Purification, or Purgatory
1030 All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.
1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: [NOTE: But never in the sense of Purgatory]...
1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: [NOTE: Maccabees was never regarded as sacred Scripture by the Jews]
"Therefore Judas [Maccabeus] atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin."
[NOTE: Which was a false religious practice by unsaved Jews]
From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God. The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead... [NOTE: So Purgatory, alms giving, and indulgences were really CASH COWS for the Catholic Church].
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