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Where does the Bible say that? It says to ignore and don't listen to false teachers. No exception.
Do you realize the old saying is so true. The biggest lies begin with a grain of truth.
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Where does the Bible say that? It says to ignore and don't listen to false teachers. No exception.
Do you realize the old saying is so true. The biggest lies begin with a grain of truth.
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Well bro...I listen to you...eat the fruit and spit out the seeds...
I always here that saying as ..." A lie is sold within 99% truth " That way it is conceived as true..!!!!
I believe he speaks through the witness of the Spirit. But not vocally unless it is through our voice telling ourselves it's OK in faith. Faith is a gift that when present, it tells we have our answer before we see it.
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Well bro...I listen to you...eat the fruit and spit out the seeds...
I always here that saying as ..." A lie is sold within 99% truth " That way it is conceived as true..!!!!
I will be polite and not respond.
If Jesus did not, does not speak with us then WHY did HE say? (!!?? ) ;
John 10:27 KJVS
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
As Helen do wisely said how sad if your father never spoke to you! Beyond sad.
If a man or woman's father were dead and all they had were his letters and books that would be regrettable.
But for him to be alive and well and never contact his children would signify a horrible family tragedy. Either the father has disowned the children or they have been taught by others their spiritual nanny, that he can't speak to them. A loveless, cold, distant father is not a father at all.
We are told draw near to God and he will draw near to you. No two draw near without speaking! How would you know when he is near? Feelings? You can't trust those. Satan can fake them. God whispers to us and can yell if need be.
Sometimes his voice inside me is loud! Once whole down on my knees praying for my sister the Holy Spirit said strongly, very strongly seemingly loud "CALL YOUR SISTER"! It was very late but I called and she was up. We had a good talk about life and Jesus.
It would be tough on God never getting to speak to his children. With all his love shut up inside.
If I decided never to speak to my children again how they would be broken and devastated.
This then is the sin, the fault, the error, the work against God by the MAN MADE DENOMINATIONS! Whispered into the ears of those that formed denominations to support their Unbiblical, twisted beliefs.
If my heavenly father never spoke to me I would wither and die. He is the living, speaking God that yet walks among us all by his Holy Spirit.
Without his voice we are doomed. Satan certainly speaks.
Thanks be unto God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit that they came for me outside of churches, denominations, sects, religions, doctrines or other misguided works of men.
After years, going on 42, I see more and more the his purpose in this. That I can speak out against the satanically promoted fight of the denominations to cast down the never ceasing, ALWAYS AVAILABLE infilling, gifts, calling and anointing of the HOLY SPIRIT by Jesus the Christ.
Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift of his son followed by his separate gift of the baptism of his Holy Spirit.
Only after being filled with the Holy Spirit will your ears open to hear the small still voice of the creator savior. Amen
Thanks be to God for his never ceasing gifts.
Religion brainwashes the protestant believers at least as much as Islam.
John 10:27 KJVS
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
As Helen do wisely said how sad if your father never spoke to you! Beyond sad.
If a man or woman's father were dead and all they had were his letters and books that would be regrettable.
But for him to be alive and well and never contact his children would signify a horrible family tragedy. Either the father has disowned the children or they have been taught by others their spiritual nanny, that he can't speak to them. A loveless, cold, distant father is not a father at all.
We are told draw near to God and he will draw near to you. No two draw near without speaking! How would you know when he is near? Feelings? You can't trust those. Satan can fake them. God whispers to us and can yell if need be.
Sometimes his voice inside me is loud! Once whole down on my knees praying for my sister the Holy Spirit said strongly, very strongly seemingly loud "CALL YOUR SISTER"! It was very late but I called and she was up. We had a good talk about life and Jesus.
It would be tough on God never getting to speak to his children. With all his love shut up inside.
If I decided never to speak to my children again how they would be broken and devastated.
This then is the sin, the fault, the error, the work against God by the MAN MADE DENOMINATIONS! Whispered into the ears of those that formed denominations to support their Unbiblical, twisted beliefs.
If my heavenly father never spoke to me I would wither and die. He is the living, speaking God that yet walks among us all by his Holy Spirit.
Without his voice we are doomed. Satan certainly speaks.
Thanks be unto God the Father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit that they came for me outside of churches, denominations, sects, religions, doctrines or other misguided works of men.
After years, going on 42, I see more and more the his purpose in this. That I can speak out against the satanically promoted fight of the denominations to cast down the never ceasing, ALWAYS AVAILABLE infilling, gifts, calling and anointing of the HOLY SPIRIT by Jesus the Christ.
Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift of his son followed by his separate gift of the baptism of his Holy Spirit.
Only after being filled with the Holy Spirit will your ears open to hear the small still voice of the creator savior. Amen
Thanks be to God for his never ceasing gifts.
Religion brainwashes the protestant believers at least as much as Islam.
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He did not leave us comfortless...Jesus said...
25 "These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,......."
Praise God...He did not leave us without His guiding Voice , to help, encourage, rebuke, teach , comfort and lead us onward Home.
We follow...further up, and deeper in...
25 "These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,......."
Praise God...He did not leave us without His guiding Voice , to help, encourage, rebuke, teach , comfort and lead us onward Home.
We follow...further up, and deeper in...
When you desire to comfort a other with all of your heart YOU SPEAK words of comfort and love. So God does for us. There's no way I could recall all that God has spoken in 41 years. A rebuke from God is a word spoken in love.
A father issues a rebuke to teach a child right from wrong.
Even with the bible if we teach ourselves we would fall into disasterous, deadly error.
Until you are filled with the Holy Spirit you cannot be heir to the promises of 1John 2:27
1 John 2:27 KJVS
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
To denominationalists that deny the gift of pentecost THIS SCRIPTURE EXCLUDES those that have excluded God's Holy Spirit.
1John 2:27 is an obstacle to your DENOMINATIONAL doctrine and an affirmation to those rejoicing in the infilling and gifts, including tongues, i.e. Prayer in the spirit, of the Holy Spirit of promise.
Men unfilled with the Holy Spirit are constantly attempting to teach their errors and those denominational doctrines to those who are their spiritual elders. After 41 years of being saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit outside of men's creations I've been told with ferocity - that;
1. My children were from the bad guy, not God because I said God told me my wife was pregnant through tongues and interpretation he gave directly to me.
2. Tongues are gibberish. This after the witness of the new testament.
3. Gifts passed away when apostles passed away (what about Ecclesiastes 3:14)
4. Tongues have passed away... RIP?
5. That which is perfect has come and done away with God's gifts (who said so?)
6. I am NOT SAVED and everything I believe is from the devil... Funny for the 33 years of being unsaved and doing all the evil I could with both hands I profess Jesus and now am satanic!. I THINK NOT. How pathetic the deceit and shallowness of denominational twisting and writings. Amen
7. There is no more prophecy.
8. There are no prophets today
9. You get all of the Holy Spirit there is when you are saved. This is in direct opposition to the words of ACTS and other new testament books and letters.
I can't possibly list every lie propagated by the denominations because I haven't heard them all.
If the Wesley brothers that founded the Methodists could have foreseen the depth of apostasy and denial of God's word into which their sect would plunge they would have wept and gnashed their teeth and not have founded Methodists.
It's sooooo simple!
1. Seek God's face with all your heart.
2. Read the Bible forgetting the words of denominational teachers with their "God doesn't, God won't, God stopped, God can't, God chose only us, God quit.
3. If you have to carry a heavy burden then it wasn't given to you by Jesus.
If a person delivers a message in hate and or viciousness then that person was not sent by God. Amen
And I know that I have the Holy Spirit of God living in me. I love the deniers but am grieved by their losses.
They are fixing upon men's creations, the denominations, rather than upon the Lord of creation and his untwisted words. Amen
A father issues a rebuke to teach a child right from wrong.
Even with the bible if we teach ourselves we would fall into disasterous, deadly error.
Until you are filled with the Holy Spirit you cannot be heir to the promises of 1John 2:27
1 John 2:27 KJVS
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
To denominationalists that deny the gift of pentecost THIS SCRIPTURE EXCLUDES those that have excluded God's Holy Spirit.
1John 2:27 is an obstacle to your DENOMINATIONAL doctrine and an affirmation to those rejoicing in the infilling and gifts, including tongues, i.e. Prayer in the spirit, of the Holy Spirit of promise.
Men unfilled with the Holy Spirit are constantly attempting to teach their errors and those denominational doctrines to those who are their spiritual elders. After 41 years of being saved and baptized in the Holy Spirit outside of men's creations I've been told with ferocity - that;
1. My children were from the bad guy, not God because I said God told me my wife was pregnant through tongues and interpretation he gave directly to me.
2. Tongues are gibberish. This after the witness of the new testament.
3. Gifts passed away when apostles passed away (what about Ecclesiastes 3:14)
4. Tongues have passed away... RIP?
5. That which is perfect has come and done away with God's gifts (who said so?)
6. I am NOT SAVED and everything I believe is from the devil... Funny for the 33 years of being unsaved and doing all the evil I could with both hands I profess Jesus and now am satanic!. I THINK NOT. How pathetic the deceit and shallowness of denominational twisting and writings. Amen
7. There is no more prophecy.
8. There are no prophets today
9. You get all of the Holy Spirit there is when you are saved. This is in direct opposition to the words of ACTS and other new testament books and letters.
I can't possibly list every lie propagated by the denominations because I haven't heard them all.
If the Wesley brothers that founded the Methodists could have foreseen the depth of apostasy and denial of God's word into which their sect would plunge they would have wept and gnashed their teeth and not have founded Methodists.
It's sooooo simple!
1. Seek God's face with all your heart.
2. Read the Bible forgetting the words of denominational teachers with their "God doesn't, God won't, God stopped, God can't, God chose only us, God quit.
3. If you have to carry a heavy burden then it wasn't given to you by Jesus.
If a person delivers a message in hate and or viciousness then that person was not sent by God. Amen
And I know that I have the Holy Spirit of God living in me. I love the deniers but am grieved by their losses.
They are fixing upon men's creations, the denominations, rather than upon the Lord of creation and his untwisted words. Amen
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Everyone hears the gospel from someone, at somepoint in their life after that once they have become a Christian they can learn from the bible and there own reading of other books.
Ask them how have they managed to learn anything after leaving school. What is the difference between a professional carear and preaching.
There are other CHURCHES that most do not recognize as a church. Since a church is just an assembly of people, then there are churches in private homes. These are called Bible Study groups.
However, most study Bible commentaries that are written by someone who gives their opinion of what scriptures mean. Most Church Sunday schools study Bible commentaries where a scripture sets the tone of the discussions.
Most all of these only teach the theology of a main church. It is a form of brain washing. It is extremely difficult to over come brain washing.
There are some who teach from the scriptures using the words of the scriptures. They believe when it says something it means what it says and does not need to be interpreted so that it fits the theology they believe in.
There is a Scripture teacher on TV that I support. His name is Les Feldick. In my area he comes on in the morning on ION TV. He is not affiliated with any church.
However, most study Bible commentaries that are written by someone who gives their opinion of what scriptures mean. Most Church Sunday schools study Bible commentaries where a scripture sets the tone of the discussions.
Most all of these only teach the theology of a main church. It is a form of brain washing. It is extremely difficult to over come brain washing.
There are some who teach from the scriptures using the words of the scriptures. They believe when it says something it means what it says and does not need to be interpreted so that it fits the theology they believe in.
There is a Scripture teacher on TV that I support. His name is Les Feldick. In my area he comes on in the morning on ION TV. He is not affiliated with any church.
There is a group that places Bibles in most all Hotel/Motel rooms. It is the Holy Spirit that reaches out to men. Paul did not hear God on the way to Damascus by way of a man. If a person thinks that the only way to God is through hearing the words of a Man then they limit God.
Only the Holy Spirit can break the brain washing of religion,
John 6:33-40
33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world."
34 Then they said to Him, "Lord, give us this bread always."
35 And Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst.
36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."
NKJV
Do you think the words in verse 40 are complete or should He have said "and is baptized and keeps the Law , and etc"?
"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." I Cor 13:12
But how well do we hear? Jesus reminded us of this in the following verse as well as others :
"He that hath ears to hear, let him hear." Matt 11:15
Not every one with faith begins with flawless hearing. We must grow and we grow our hearing along with our vision should be improving as our understanding of the things of God should be improving. If we presume we already understand all that is needed, how would we be different than the Pharisees who contended with Jesus?
All of us have listened in a measure to false teachers because probably all of the teachers we have heard in a measure have been in error. They and we are among the liars who need to move closer to the truth which Jesus is.
But my friend the scripture speaks rather differently about the seed with which we begin, does it not?
Your little man made saying would be difficult to support with the scripture because it would speak of a man with the truth, which is Jesus, moving away from Him rather than toward Him. The man who moves away from him is the one who is trying to stand still instead of continuing to walk toward Him.
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CoreIssue
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Yes and there are many man made religeons, including the hatred of organised Christianity.
Remember God organised the jewish religeon with strict rules and regulations, which he turned aside for a personal relationship between Christians and himself. Note it is where 2/3 gather together, we are not to neglect to meet together etc etc
There is a reason why Paul organised the early Christians into Churches.
That reason is stiull valid today, so we can support, encourage one another and grow in our faith.
I was simply responding to your question as addressed to our dear sister @"ByGrace" . Why do you make this a put down on a Bible translation as if your knowledge was so absolute? The point of the verse, in the KJV or yours, is still that our vision or knowledge is NOT absolute but incomplete or dull or fuzzy... using a glass or a mirror made sand or of metal of whatever.
That was her point but it seems at times you disagree simply to win as if that were possible rather than help all of us to understand better.
And what difference does that make to the point?
And this matters in this case why? Surely @"ByGrace" made her point and it was understood by most who read it. If not, could they not ask for clarification? If you disagree with the interpretation believing you have a better one share it with us but why argument for argument's sake? Do we not all want to hear and understand God's message to us?
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My point is the KJV has blatant and deliberate errors in it.
Every translation has a problem somewhere. But deliberate versus simple mistake are two very different things.
Perhaps you believe that but since I was not alive when it was written and never knew personally any of the translators why should I draw such a conclusion or presume that your conclusion is correct?
What I believe is that God inspired men to write things down. Are there errors in the translations as men understand errors? Like so, but what does that matter to a God whom is a directing a man's steps? If God is NOT directing a man's steps he is going to go astray anyway for without God who can know which way is the right Way... even when reading a Bible?
"O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." Jerem 10:23
But...
"The steps of a good man are ordered by the LORD: and he delighteth in his way." Psalm 37:23
So then how can any man be a "good "man when Jesus assured that us that the only One who is good is God [Mark 10:18]?
Very simply because we have God in us [if we do], we can be "good" as only He is good!
What scripture will help us if we are leading ourselves rather than being led by God?
What scripture cannot be properly understood when a person is always following the lead of God?
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So you're saying God changed his mind on some things. That the writing of the Bible did not close with revelation in spite of the warning it contains about changing the writings.
That those men were Bible level prophets.
That means you're also saying the books of the apocryphal should still be in the KJV. That the apostles came to Jerusalem to celebrate a holy day that didn't exist.
This is not about understanding the Bible. This is about writing the Bible.
And you my friend are putting words in my mouth that I did not say nor write. Your presumption and human logic and memory are coming up with conclusions that miss the mark based on statements not in evidence. On the last one, my memory fails me quite often so at least you are not alone in that.
As for the Word of God, it never changes in spite of what men may say or do. You have forgotten what I have already written about the Word of God on this forum many times and likely to you as well.
Writing the scriptures as God inspires a man is one thing. Reading or hearing the Word of God with understanding is quite another.
CoreIssue
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With all respect, word of God, not Word of God.
Word is logos, the second person of the Trinity, while word of God is the written word, the Bible.
Teachings and meanings of the word of God never changes. Nor does the Word of God.
But most assuredly Passover does not mean Easter. That is in fact a change that God in revelation warns us not to do.
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