God "spiritualizes" EVERYTHING.

bbyrd009 said:

Ah, I don't perceive any diff in those two, how do you separate them?

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As the Bible says the old nature of our spirit was to send. New nature we do not sin in the spirit.

The flesh doesn't think or have an independent life. Is a biological computer. Certain buttons get physically punched and it reacts different ways.

Our flesh is driven by such things as hunger sex. Our spirits are not.

So what is biological is flesh. What is spiritual is spirit.

ScottA said:

Obviously, it is you who does not know, for Christ said, "Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness."

Ditto.

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And others know and have seen things you have not reject their witness.

And you do not know how much of your witness comes from God, how much is demonic and how much is is and how much is from you.

But I know a lot of what you say is not from God.

ScottA said:

You quote, but do not understand.

"That which shall not be destroyed", Jesus explained, saying "Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal; but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal."...Which is the kingdom of God - whom is spirit.

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Daniel 7:9

ScottA said:

How would you know? "You have taken away the key of knowledge."

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The Bible is still here. I read one that can be understood in modern English, you do not.

I've studied a lot more than you.

Check out the gifts of the spirit. One of them is learned knowledge. Note the word learned.

My 58 years of study versus your.....

ScottA said:

If you do not "seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness", which is spirit...you do not have a leg to stand on. Your word is not trustworthy. Even Satan and the demons have the truth in part.

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So now you try to go all metaphysical and claim superiority.

I've been saved for 58 years. You?

I've been studying for 58 years. You?

All I can say definitely is there are things that the Bible declares physical that you declare spiritual. That makes your word not trustworthy.

ScottA said:

Okay...time for another reality check:

The Beginning and the End of God...is spirit: "God is spirit."

In between the Beginning and the End, between the First and the Last...is the world, and the truth from God is that those in between...are evil. Thus Jesus preached that we "must be born again of the spirit of God." Nowhere does He say that the flesh is glorified, or that Christ has "lowered Himself" in an act of God evolving into a flesh being...but rather, that He (and we) should lay down our life in the flesh, that we might take it up again in the spirit of God.

Yet if you want to know what the man of flesh thinks is true...just ask him. On the contrary, if you want to know the truth from God, His words and He are spirit...and He has already stated the truth.

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God has neither a beginning or end.

The god is spirit. But not everything is spirit.

CoreIssue said:

So now you try to go all metaphysical and claim superiority.

I've been saved for 58 years. You?

I've been studying for 58 years. You?

All I can say definitely is there are things that the Bible declares physical that you declare spiritual. That makes your word not trustworthy.

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You win, you're more superior now.

No one else began to study Scripture like you at around 9 years of age, and consistently since for almost 6 decades, and yet retained the biblical errors and false gospel you preach.

One would think a light should have turned on for you by now, but no.

Anyhow, congrats!

ScottA said:

No contest.

Oh...and you are wrong.

The "gift of knowledge" is not learned, it's a "gift" from God. If you "learned" it, you earned it, and it is no "gift" at all, it's only what you deserve.

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So God just plops knowledge into our heads.

The ability to learn is a gift. The ability to understand is a gift.

Your confusing knowledge and wisdom. They are not the same thing.

CoreIssue said:

So God just plops knowledge into our heads.

The ability to learn is a gift. The ability to understand is a gift.

Your confusing knowledge and wisdom. They are not the same thing.

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Looks like you've obtained everything on your own; knowledge, learning, understanding. Salvation.

Then you believe understanding is a gift, but not faith? You did that all on your own. Gotcha.

So, you pick and choose what you do, and you pick and choose what God does.

Interesting.

I've never witnessed a person in my life who tells God what His place is, and what their place is. Seems the person thinks of himself as god here.

Since you've re-birthed yourself by choosing, did you procreate yourself as well and choose yourself into being?

I bet you did. Do tell!

ScottA said:

Slow down. Count to 10. You are not even hearing yourself.

First...this is not about me, so don't take things personal, and don't lash back. Me speaking the truth is not an attack on you...it is simply a plumb line, and you stand on one side or the other.

Now...."the Bible [does] declare physical", but Jesus...not me...declares it spiritual. But here you are in my face beginning to pit your 58 years against me - well, it isn't against me, it is against Christ...and there is a name for that, but I am trying to be kind and walk this out with you, not against you.

So...tell me, is any part of the word of God by any other Author that the Word, Jesus Christ our Lord? And, what did He say...are His words "spirit" or not?

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All I'm hearing myself. Unfortunately I'm also hearing you.

The problem is you're not speaking truth. You're just accusing others of lying when they tell you the truth.

You have said heaven is spiritual and all in it.

Yet God's throne is physical. It descended to Ezekiel.

The new Jerusalem is physical and will descend on the new earth.

Enoch and Elijah, the two witnesses, are physical and in
heaven.

The 4 living beings in heaven are flesh.

Resurrection means the return of the flesh bodies to life.

Saints will be glorify by God. Just read such as Romans 8.

Christ' body resurrected. It was a glorified.

Spirits do not resurrect.

You're trying real hard to dodge issues that you can't answer.

ScottA said:

You are going to need to catch up first, but I will not leave this unanswered:

Indeed, everything is not spirit...and that is the problem. God is spirit and perfect, and we are to be like Him...not like the unspiritual world.

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Since the word spiritual does not appear in the Bible what is your definition.