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If the word of God can be literaly understood. Why would we need the Spirit to discern?
God "spiritualizes" EVERYTHING.
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Preacher4Truth
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Wouldn't it be nice to see them debate facts, use facts, and use contextually interpreted Scripture?
They have not done any of this, and that is a sad fact! The scarlet thread here is, they don't deal in facts at all, they only offer up falsities!
I've heard from so-and-so and/or believed my whole life that Calvinism is bad and wrong, therefore it is bad and wrong.
[Reformed person appeals to Scripture, uses both Scripture and logic, exposing flaws in 'getting faith', but not 'saving myself']
..... Well, you're a Calvinist, so instead of reading the verses and logical statements, I'm just going to throw out a couple of insults and pretend that counteracts the truths you provided.
Preacher4Truth
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That's all it takes, a couple of insults and a subjective baseless conclusion or two and it must be true because they said so.
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I did, because to stress only the spiritual is as big an error as to stress only the physical.
We are both and have to use both.
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No, that is wrong:
Luke 9:23
“If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me."
We need to be proactively in the spirit, setting our eyes on God, whom is spirit. Taking up ones' cross, means laying down the physical.
More like of spirits...your interpretation. The Holy Spirit isn't involved in mysticism, & it can be a slippery slope when people read the scripture that way.
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You must have me confused with someone else. I advocate for the Holy Spirit only, and yet am well aware of other spirits and the spirit of anti-Christ and their daily attacks.
I might have mistaken your view point but when I've heard this sort of thing before it's proven to been more of a mystical interpretation of God's word rather then hermeneutical interpretation. That type of idea that God spiritualizes everything , I just don't agree, don't think that is a correct interpretation of the word Spirit. I see there are a lot of books out nowadays that are into spiritualizing Christianity and see mysticism & gnosticsm & new age attitudes have entered into the church , which is the slippery slope that veers away from God's Truth imo.
CoreIssue
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Apostasy in these groups.
Christianity has both physical and spiritual aspects.
Just as we and Christ two natures, physical and spirit.
Yes, I agree being both the physical & Spirit capital (s), unfortunately it's a mixed bag in the modern church , so the denominations & people who are under the influence of new age, mysticism or gnosticism are often not even aware of it.
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Indeed. Apostasy reigns. The 7th church of Revelation dominates.
Paul condemned denominationalism.
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The fact that there are a host of other spirits, does not mean that God is not spirit. Certainly, it would be a mistake to categorically dismiss the spiritual nature of God. For this Jesus scolded the Lawyers, who took away the spiritual and thus the key of knowledge regarding God, by referring only to the letter of scripture.
I am more of a word of knowledge guy. So whatever name you want to attach to speculations, I want nothing of it, even hermeneutical word study...it's all just men relying on their own understanding.
But anyone who things that a spiritual God does not have a spiritual end to His plans, is way too in love with the flesh. Anyone.
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So how do you know when you're hearing from God or a demon for your own nature?
We are commanded to test all things against Scriptures. You just said you wouldn't.
Time for you to wake up and understand there are others around with gifts of the spirit who see right through your self-deception.
This is my issue right here. The LORD God is not "a" spirit, the LORD God is the Holy Spirit.
No one who knows their Bible will ever suggest that God is NOT a Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is Spirit by definition. But Jesus in Heaven is not simply Spirit. Stephen literally saw the heavens opened and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. But to go from their and spiritualize everything is certainly not what Christ taught. That was Gnostic nonsense.
Even Heaven -- which is the ultimate spiritual realm -- is real, visible, tangible, solid, and yet a totally different realm from the earth and earthy things. Heavenly gold and precious stones may resemble those which are earthly, yet they are truly heavenly. That is why heavenly gold -- for example -- is transparent "and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass" (Rev 21:18). Only when we get to Heaven will we see what this consists of, and why there are streets of gold in Heaven, possibly for this reason -- "The gold that John saw in heaven was of such quality that it appears to be transparent in order to reflect the pure light of God’s blazing glory."
Will there literally be streets of gold in heaven?
Now you are confusing God the Father (the LORD God) with the Holy Spirit. But they are two different divine Persons within the Godhead.
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"Testing all things against Scriptures" would be a stretch... Yes, "all scripture is good for..." and yes, "test all things." But we should also know that the scriptures "must be spiritually discerned" and that "all language" has been "confused" by God. So, we can't just choose which method we prefer and swear off and argue against all others - that is why Christians unnecessarily disagree. But here we are doing just that.
But to answer your first question...Jesus answered it, saying "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me." ...However, your question is about the possibility of mistaking who the spirit actually is...for which I will go on to explain, that from the first moment of knowing God I knew Him, and it is that knowing Him that is its own authentication. That first moment was no less than Paul's road to Damascus experience, where I had called out to God by name...and it is not like Satan or demons could cut God off and intervene. But regardless of whether you disagree or are not convince (even though I am), I then had confirmation through the scriptures, which He arranged and lead point by point leaving no room for doubt.
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