Defending Homosexuality

FHII · Mar 12, 2019

There is a lot to talk about... My stance is that homosexuality is a sin, but one that is of the flesh and covered by grace.

First thing you must realize is that the OT gives a lot of laws which none of us keep. Most folks realize that. If you don't, I will give you a quick lesson: shrimp, pork, catfish, mussels, clams... Not allowed. Most of our corn we eat is not allowed. Tangerines not allowed. GMO foods not allowed. Polyester is not allowed.

Second thing you must realize is that James, Paul and Jesus all agreed in one way or another that if you are guilty of any point of the law you are guilty of all the law. So if you eat shrimp or wear anything of mixed fibres, God deems our a full sinner just like a homosexual.

Next... We have to decide if grace covers it. If it is a sin of the flesh, then yes.

Spiritual homosexuality... No. What's that? LOL! Well that would make a great discussion!

What is wrong is when homosexuals DEMAND acceptance by the Church. I do believe a true Church will allow them under the doctrine of Grace. But if the Church is retarded in growth (and I use that word without insult and correctly) it shouldn't be forced upon them.

Homosexuals must come before God and enter into a Church with a humble spirit. They must confess their sin and accept forgiveness. A true Church that fully understands Grace will accept these sinners just as they do any other sinner.

But if they come with a political agenda... They aren't seeking God.

Reggie Belafonte · Mar 12, 2019

FHII said:
There is a lot to talk about... My stance is that homosexuality is a sin, but one that is of the flesh and covered by grace.

First thing you must realize is that the OT gives a lot of laws which none of us keep. Most folks realize that. If you don't, I will give you a quick lesson: shrimp, pork, catfish, mussels, clams... Not allowed. Most of our corn we eat is not allowed. Tangerines not allowed. GMO foods not allowed. Polyester is not allowed.

Second thing you must realize is that James, Paul and Jesus all agreed in one way or another that if you are guilty of any point of the law you are guilty of all the law. So if you eat shrimp or wear anything of mixed fibres, God deems our a full sinner just like a homosexual.

Next... We have to decide if grace covers it. If it is a sin of the flesh, then yes.

Spiritual homosexuality... No. What's that? LOL! Well that would make a great discussion!

What is wrong is when homosexuals DEMAND acceptance by the Church. I do believe a true Church will allow them under the doctrine of Grace. But if the Church is retarded in growth (and I use that word without insult and correctly) it shouldn't be forced upon them.

Homosexuals must come before God and enter into a Church with a humble spirit. They must confess their sin and accept forgiveness. A true Church that fully understands Grace will accept these sinners just as they do any other sinner.

But if they come with a political agenda... They aren't seeking God.

Homosexuals are Sodomites, Sodom is condemned and so is anyone who supports such.
They can not enter into the Kingdom of God, Grace does not cover Sin, or it's not Grace.
Jesus does not cover Sin, one must repent of your Sins to be forgiven, if you do not repent of Sin you are not forgiven at all.
One must recognise and repent of their Sins to be a Christian, now if one does not recognise Sin, then such are in fact an Anti-Christ.

What does the child molester priest do ? he must believe that his Sin is ok and it's the same with the poofters who rape other men in Jail all the time and what about the rapist who just want's to rape a women, because Sin is as many claim nowadays that Sin is covered by Grace or such nonsense.

Stranger · Mar 13, 2019

Waiting on him said:
I know many people who reject the Gospel, that aren’t homosexuals?

That doesn't change that fact that homosexuality is the second giving up of God upon a people or a person. There are those who are 'good people' and yet not saved but are deceived in that their condition is not like that of the homosexuals. (Rom. 2:3-4)

Stranger

Stranger · Mar 13, 2019

Willie T said:
I'm pretty sure "The Gospel" was never mentioned in those verses you listed.

The 'truth' is mentioned. And that is sufficient. Because they deny the truth, if they heard the Gospel, they would deny that truth also.

Stranger

Willie T · Mar 13, 2019

Stranger said:
The 'truth' is mentioned. And that is sufficient. Because they deny the truth, if they heard the Gospel, they would deny that truth also.

Stranger

"No", you specifically used "The Gospel." And that was not the subject of the passages. Either you said what you meant, or you didn't.

Preacher4Truth · Mar 13, 2019

Waiting on him said:
What I’m endorsing is empathy.

Fair enough as I was hoping for clarity.

Stranger · Mar 13, 2019

Willie T said:
"No", you specifically used "The Gospel." And that was not the subject of the passages. Either you said what you meant, or you didn't.

I didn't specifically use the term. Another did. I simply responded to the question. Whether the truth or Gospel is the everlasting Gospel, or the Gospel of Grace, or the Gospel of the Kingdom, or the Gospel of faith found in the Old Testament, or the Gospel written in the creation, these all are to be believed or rejected.

So, yes, that is the subject. Rejection of the truth. All those who reject any of these would have rejected all of these.

Stranger

oldhermit · Mar 13, 2019

The bottom line people, is that one can either embrace homosexuality or one can embrace Christ. One cannot embrace both, no matter how passionately one may feel to the contrary. "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other." Matthew 6:24. Either sin will be master over you or Christ will, but you will have only one master.

Waiting on him · Mar 13, 2019

Stranger said:
I didn't specifically use the term. Another did. I simply responded to the question. Whether the truth or Gospel is the everlasting Gospel, or the Gospel of Grace, or the Gospel of the Kingdom, or the Gospel of faith found in the Old Testament, or the Gospel written in the creation, these all are to be believed or rejected.

So, yes, that is the subject. Rejection of the truth. All those who reject any of these would have rejected all of these.

Stranger

There’s also some interesting scripture in Romans about putting forth the finger and saying guilty, wouldn’t you agree? It even seems to state that we’re judged of what we stand in judgment of.

bbyrd009 · Mar 13, 2019

oldhermit said:
The bottom line people, is that one can either embrace homosexuality or one can embrace Christ. One cannot embrace both, no matter how passionately one may feel to the contrary. "No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other." Matthew 6:24. Either sin will be master over you or Christ will, but you will have only one master.

Oh, horse puckey, who said anything about "embracing homosexuality" anyway?
Wadr you are just the guy willing to cast the first stone here I guess
I know this seems harsh, and you strike me as a decent guy ok, but imo you are reaping from a sowing, and homosexuals are not the prob at all wadr

"the bottom line" is always a sign, too fwiw, I mean why not just proclaim yourself God while you are at it? Shouldn't be too hard to see how you make homosexuals with your agenda.

The bottom line might be that the sins of Sodom are listed, and your phobia is not among them?

bbyrd009 · Mar 13, 2019

We might all pause for a moment to appreciate the irony of the Queen James Only crowd dissing homosexuals lol.

Imo go find out what "homospiritual" means today!

VictoryinJesus · Mar 13, 2019

Homosexual. What isn't usually mentioned is the power of God’s grace and mercy to forgive. Instead it is so offensive as in that filth is just too filthy to redeem. It is unthinkable that God could ever be that merciful to forgive the most despicable of offenses. (Luke 7:47)... whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

Jonah refused to go where God sent Him for “those people didn’t deserve” to hear God. Jonah sat and pouted. Jonah 4:7-11 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered. [8] And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live. [9] And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death. [10] Then said the Lord , Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: [11] And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

Stranger · Mar 13, 2019

Waiting on him said:
There’s also some interesting scripture in Romans about putting forth the finger and saying guilty, wouldn’t you agree? It even seems to state that we’re judged of what we stand in judgment of.

Well, by all means, present them. Why mention them yet do not present them?

Stranger

Stranger · Mar 13, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
We might all pause for a moment to appreciate the irony of the Queen James Only crowd dissing homosexuals lol.

Imo go find out what "homospiritual" means today!

What has been said that the Bible does not say about homosexuals?

Where is that in the Bible? hevm

Stranger

Stranger · Mar 13, 2019

VictoryinJesus said:
Homosexual. What isn't usually mentioned is the power of God’s grace and mercy to forgive. Instead it is so offensive as in that filth is just too filthy to redeem. It is unthinkable that God could ever be that merciful to forgive the most despicable of offenses. (Luke 7:47)... whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

Jonah refused to go where God sent Him for “those people didn’t deserve” to hear God. Jonah sat and pouted. Jonah 4:7-11 But God prepared a worm when the morning rose the next day, and it smote the gourd that it withered. [8] And it came to pass, when the sun did arise, that God prepared a vehement east wind; and the sun beat upon the head of Jonah, that he fainted, and wished in himself to die, and said, It is better for me to die than to live. [9] And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd? And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death. [10] Then said the Lord , Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a night, and perished in a night: [11] And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more than sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

That is a lie. God's grace and mercy to forgive are always mentioned.

What is not usually mentioned is that homosexuality is a judgement of God upon a people, even though Scripture is clear.

Stranger

Marymog · Mar 13, 2019

John 8:7

Marymog · Mar 13, 2019

oldhermit said:
With the exponential rise of defenders of homosexuality in the world, I cannot help but wonder how it is that many who claim to be of the Christian community can defend this lifestyle so fervently. I suppose I will never be able to understand why anyone who claims to be a Christian can feel comfortable defending that which God has condemned.

John 8:7

Marymog · Mar 13, 2019

Stranger said:
That is a lie. God's grace and mercy to forgive are always mentioned.

What is not usually mentioned is that homosexuality is a judgement of God upon a people, even though Scripture is clear.

Stranger

James 2:13?

bbyrd009 · Mar 13, 2019

Stranger said:
What has been said that the Bible does not say about homosexuals?

Where is that in the Bible? hevm

Stranger

@ "prophets gone a'whoring" mentioned earlier

Stranger · Mar 13, 2019

Marymog said:
John 8:7

Does (John 8:7) negate (Rom. 1:26-27)?

Stranger

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