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Matthew 23:13 KJV
[13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves , neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

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Maybe like two spirits waring against one another?
I guess in a sense, sure. We are clearly informed that wisdom is hidden from the wise, if your right eye offends you pluck it out, and other passages that we don't really treat in our belief system, don't hear any sermons on, etc, and trust me will not ever hear in a 501 c3 "church" for hopefully obvious reasons

Um, something is bugging me @ "war" there, might not be the best perception, although I guess we could even say that parents are "at war" with their kids at times, huh.
 
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Eternal means eternal...forever and ever.

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So then, neither will I interpret Romans for you right now ok, being as how your def of Eternal does not line up with the Scriptural one, which is readily available. Gotta run, have a nice day
from eternity to eternity
there is only One Immortal
 

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Matthew 23:13 KJV
[13] But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves , neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

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(Rom. 2) is addressing the unsaved Gentile good man. (Rom. 2:12,14) And it is addressing the unsaved Jewish good man. (Rom. 2:17-29). It is not addressing believers.

(Matt. 23) is addressing the scribes, Pharisees, and hypocrites, which can be identified in (Rom. 2:17-29).

In either case, it is not believers being addressed.

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Um. Well wadr you are not in the right frame of mind to learn anything here Stranger, as you already know everything see, and I am not inclined to accept the opinions of someone who avoids giving simple definitions, ok?

If you don't want to accept my opinion, which is based on the Scripture, then be quiet. Simple enough.

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Encyclopedias - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - Eternal

ETERNAL
e-tur'-nal (`olam; aionios, from aion):
The word "eternal" is of very varying import, both in the Scriptures and out of them.

1. `Olam:
In the Old Testament, the Hebrew word `olam is used for "eternity," sometimes in the sense of unlimited duration, sometimes in the sense of a cycle or an age, and sometimes, in later Hebrew, in the signification of world. The Hebrew `olam has, for its proper New Testament equivalent, aion, as signifying either time of particular duration, or the unending duration of time in general. Only, the Hebrew term primarily signified unlimited time, and only in a secondary sense represented a definite or specific period. Both the Hebrew and the Greek terms signify the world itself, as it moves in time.

2. Aion, Aionios:
In the New Testament, aion and aionios are often used with the meaning "eternal," in the predominant sense of futurity. The word aion primarily signifies time, in the sense of age or generation; it also comes to denote all that exists under time- conditions; and, finally, superimposed upon the temporal is an ethical use, relative to the world's course. Thus aion may be said to mean the subtle informing spirit of the world or cosmos--the totality of things. By Plato, in his Timaeus, aion was used of the eternal Being, whose counterpart, in the sense-world, is Time. To Aristotle, in speaking of the world, aion is the ultimate principle which, in itself, sums up all existence.. In the New Testament, aion is found combined with prepositions in nearly three score and ten instances, where the idea of unlimited duration appears to be meant. This is the usual method of expressing eternity in the Septuagint also. The aionios of 2 Corinthians 4:18 must be eternal, in a temporal use or reference, else the antithesis would be gone.

3. Aidios:
In
Romans 1:20 the word aidios is used of Divine action and rendered in the King James Version "eternal" (the Revised Version (British and American) "everlasting"), the only other place in the New Testament where the word occurs being Jude 1:6, where the rendering is "everlasting," which accords with classical usage. But the presence of the idea of eternal in these passages does not impair the fact that aion and aionios are, in their natural and obvious connotation, the usual New Testament words for expressing the idea of eternal, and this holds strikingly true of the Septuagint usage also. For, from the idea of aeonian life, there is no reason to suppose the notion of duration excluded. The word aionios is sometimes used in the futurist signification, but often also, in the New Testament, it is concerned rather with the quality, than with the quantity or duration, of life. By the continual attachment of aionios to life, in this conception of the spiritual or Divine life in man, the aeonian conception was saved from becoming sterile.

4. Enlargement of Idea:
In the use of aion and aionios there is evidenced a certain enlarging or advancing import till they come so to express the high and complex fact of the Divine life in man. In Greek, aiones signifies ages, or periods or dispensations. The aiones of Hebrews 1:2, and 11:3, is, however, to be taken as used in the concrete sense of "the worlds," and not "the ages," the world so taken meaning the totality of things in their course or flow.

5. Eternal Life:
Our Lord decisively set the element of time in abeyance, and took His stand upon the fact and quality of life--life endless by its own nature. Of that eternal life He is Himself the guarantee--"Because I live, ye shall live also" (John 14:19). Therefore said Augustine, "Join thyself to the eternal God, and thou wilt be eternal."
 
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So then, neither will I interpret Romans for you right now ok, being as how your def of Eternal does not line up with the Scriptural one, which is readily available. Gotta run, have a nice day
from eternity to eternity
there is only One Immortal

O Gee, what a loss that is.

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Can anyone quote scripture in the gospels where Jesus condemns homosexuality?
Hi,

Here is the closest thing I can find!

For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander.

Fornication defined: sexual intercourse between people not married to each other

1 Corinthians 6:9 says that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God and list fornicators as one of those "wrongdoers"".

It is also strongly implied in Matthew 19:4-6 wherein Jesus defined marriage as between one male and one female. Jesus effectively condemned all other arrangements.

In Romans 1:26–27 the homosexual act is called "degrading passions". They were given up to those degrading passions after they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles which is the sin of idol worship.


Bible study Mary
 
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Hi,

Here is the closest thing I can find!

For out of the heart come evil intentions, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander.

Fornication defined: sexual intercourse between people not married to each other

1 Corinthians 6:9 says that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God and list fornicators as one of those "wrongdoers"".

It is also strongly implied in Matthew 19:4-6 wherein Jesus defined marriage as between one male and one female. Jesus effectively condemned all other arrangements.

In Romans 1:26–27 the homosexual act is called "degrading passions". They were given up to those degrading passions after they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds or four-footed animals or reptiles which is the sin of idol worship.


Bible study Mary

Is that the closest you can get? What about (Rom. 1:26-27)?

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The passage referenced has to do with those who hold the truth in unrighteousness. (Rom.1:18) Those who do are giving up by God in three stages. Homosexuality is the second stage.

So, (Rom. 1) pertains to the truth of homosexuals.

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Thank you.

Your Romans 1 reference has NOTHING to do with my James reference.

Would you care to try another verse?
 

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That was not a question, it was a stone thrown by someone who felt that they had no sin, not that I don't empathize. If you don't forgive I guess you will not be able to accept forgiveness for your sins either see, and we have already done that you and me In Living Color, huh? I could go dig it up if you like?
 

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O Gee, what a loss that is.

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see I mean you don't think this avoiding and deflecting is a sin?
The loss is when you become blind to the Scriptures that make a point you don't like, imo, you don't even see them anymore, do you, they weren't even there
Which no hard feelings ok, I forgive you
 

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That was not a question, it was a stone thrown by someone who felt that they had no sin, not that I don't empathize. If you don't forgive I guess you will not be able to accept forgiveness for your sins either see, and we have already done that you and me In Living Color, huh? I could go dig it up if you like?

Sure it was. Pay attention. See post #152.

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see I mean you don't think this avoiding and deflecting is a sin?
The loss is when you become blind to the Scriptures that make a point you don't like, imo, you don't even see them anymore, do you, they weren't even there
Which no hard feelings ok, I forgive you

Oh gee, golly. You forgive me. Thanks...but no thanks.

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Sure it was. Pay attention. See post #152.

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152 is not you either, this seemed to be the area you had in mind? Or if you have a "question" as if, pls restate it. But let's not kid each other ok, you don't have any questions

The act of homosexuality is a sin. Are you without sin?

If so, grab some stones and start throwing them.

Mary
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Mary, Mary, why do you always run away from my question? You asked what church I choose, I told you. I asked what church you choose and you run away.

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I sincerely apologize. I am usually pretty good about answering questions and I now see I didn't answer yours. I assumed you knew which Church I choose and I should not have assumed that.

I am Catholic. The CC's doctrine does not allow active homosexuals HOWEVER sadly and to the disgrace of The Church the sinful men of the CC have ignored those doctrines.

Which Church do you belong to that has no homosexuals in it?

Mary