After His Kind part 2

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Written by Ray Ogle part 2

In Genesis 2:9, we see God plant
two special trees in the garden of
Eden and both trees bear fruit. It
is from our horticulture lesson that
we understand that the fruit bears
the seed from which the “nature”
of the tree grows. Here was Adam’s
test. Adam and Eve were given all
that they needed to survive as cre-
ated beings. God, in all His fairness
and wisdom, made man a free mor-
al agent with the ability to choose
as he wishes. What this test was to
reveal is what “kind” of “seed-spir-
it” man would be. Remember that
in Gen. 2:7 we see man has a body
and a living soul but no mention of
“spirit” yet. Man is supposed to be a
trinity in God’s image and likeness
(1 Thess. 5:23).

The tree of “life” and the tree of
“knowledge of good and evil” are
the two special trees God planted
and these trees are the very trees
yielding fruit that will determine
how mankind is complete. You
could actually call these trees the
“Tree of Life” and the “Tree of
Death.” And as we know from Gen.
3:6, Adam and Eve did eat from
the “tree of death” and Adam took
within himself (spiritually) the
seed of the fruit that was picked by
Eve from the tree of knowledge of
good and evil. As with every seed
so far, the seed will produce “after
his kind.” We see that instantly in
Gen. 3:7 their eyes were opened
and they knew they were naked. At
this point the seed has sprung life
and is beginning to grow in them
to become a tree yielding fruit and
seed “after his kind.” The result of
Adam’s choice gave birth to death
within spiritually, and the immedi-
ate result in their conscious think-
ing and feeling was guilt, shame,
and separation. These are the first
fruits of the death being manifest-
ed from the seed-spirit that was
birthed in Adam.

What is so very interesting is that
there is no further recorded history
of Adam‘s particular sin. There is
nothing in the bible about the fruits
of corruption, in detail, concern-
ing Adam. Only his disobedience
is paramount in scripture. Rather,
what God does have us to focus on
is the fruit yielding “after his kind”
according to the first spiritual seed.
The judgment that came after Ad-
am’s choice is seen in Gen. 3:14-24
where the woman must now tra-
vail in childbirth and man must till
(toil) the earth for food. God cursed
the ground (Gen. 3:17). Another
important point to think about is
that God first “formed” and made
man of uncursed earth. We will dis-
cuss uncursed earth later.

We now come to the place where
we begin to see roots and how they
form and grow spiritually. Gen. 4:1-
7 gives us the information of the
first two earthly sons born to Adam
and Eve. These two, Cain and Abel,
are the result of Adam’s seed sown,
“after his kind,” in the flesh, Cain
being the first born. The result of
Adam’s choice to eat of the “Tree of
Death” is also yielded in these same
verses.

At the “time of offering,” Gen. 4:3,
Cain offered up to the Lord of the
works of his hands, (probably fruit
and vegetables), and his offering
was not pleasing to the Lord. Abel,
on the other hand, offered of his
flocks of the firstlings (probably a
lamb), and his offering was pleas-
ing to the Lord. God offered Cain
an opportunity to correct the mat-
ter and if not, sin would lie at the
door and come into the picture and
yield fruit. Cain made the same
choice as his father and he became
jealous and felt separated because
of his choice. He then rose up
against Abel and the first murder
of the bible takes place and Cain
kills Abel, Gen. 4:7-9. From look-
ing at Adam’s choice to eat of the
forbidden fruit we see that this first
spiritual seed passed on to Cain has
now revived (Rom. 7:9), begun to
grow, take root, and yield fruit. The
spiritual offspring and fruit of this
choice of Adam was a murderer.
(See, John 8:44).

A very good scripture for un-
derstanding what had happened is
Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by
one man (Adam) sin entered into
the world, and death by sin; and
so death passed upon all men, for
that all have sinned.” As we already
know, God created and planted the
first seeds of the physical world we
know. But since believers know
God as Father, we also know a Fa-
ther must sow seed of His loins
(kind). Since God is a Spirit then
there must be a spiritual birthing
somewhere in order for there to
be a spiritual family of sons and
daughters. Genesis has been called
the “Book of beginnings,” but I like
to call it the “Book of seeds.”
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@soul man, It is better to reformate the article like this with parts one and two combined:

Written by Ray Ogle part 1

Now that I have had my own personal revelation that Christ is in me and Christ is my life, the Bible is now a whole new collection of scriptures just waiting to be revealed to my knowing the fullness that is in Christ. As I have been growing in the Christ-life, certain verses of Scripture have eluded me, and I lacked understanding until now.

I had two questions. What makes a Christian a Christian? What do Matthew 3:10 and Luke 3:9 mean? So I set out into Scripture to discover the understanding that has brought peace to my wondering soul.

"And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." (Matthew 3:10) At my first reading, I thought this verse was for Israel only and referred to Israel's rejection of Jesus as Messiah, believing that God was thus cutting the nation off from His blessing and from the "church age." As I began to study these verses and travel through the Scriptures, Christ in me revealed an awesome "panoramic" picture I had not previously known.

The Holy Ghost, as teacher and guide, will shed light, wisdom, and understanding in this revelation, in order for every believer to comprehend what was in God's mind at the beginning of all creation. What an awesome journey to truth!

In order to have any foundation of understanding, we must first travel to the beginning and see what the Word says about it. Matthew 3:10 speaks of a root, and I wanted to know exactly what this root was and where it came from. In the Strong's, "root" is 4491=rhiza, which is singular, meaning only one root, not many. In this verse, we have one root (singular), and many trees (plural).

If this verse had read, "the root of the tree," then I would have more readily accepted that it was referring to only Israel, because Israel is referred to as an olive tree. We will discuss the (plural) sense of trees later. A root. Where, exactly, does a root come from and how does it grow and exist. In Genesis 1:1-10, God created all the necessary elements it takes to support life on this planet.

We see water, earth, and oxygen (air) being brought forth first. On day three, we see God bring forth grass, herb, and the tree yielding fruit after his kind. Ask this question: Which came first, the seed or the tree? The seed, of course, because we see that on the fourth day (Genesis 1:16), God made the great light (sun) to rule the day, and we all know that it takes water, earth, air, and light to make a plant grow, and that the light process is what we call "photosynthesis". We now have all the necessary elements in place for God to plant a garden, where the greatest test of man will take place. "Horticulture Class 101 is now in session." Two questions: What is a seed, and what does the seed do? First, a seed is what contains
and manifests all the DNA and genetic information as to what kind of creature (being) it will become.

In this lesson, it is a tree. The seed is what will determine what kind of tree it will be and what kind of fruit it will grow. In the Christ-life, the seed holds within it ALL the character and nature for that which it is, and will become. In Strong’s, the seed’s nature is: Nature = 5449, 5453=phue, phusis = growth (by germination or expansion), natural production (lineal descent); a genus or sort, native disposition, constitution or usage, man(kind), nature(al). 5453 = “to puff or blow,” to swell up, but only used in the implicated sense, to germinate or grow (sprout, produce), spring (up). Very simply put, a peach seed will become what?

A peach tree! And it will bring forth what? Peaches! Second, a seed (when germinated) will miraculously spring life within it and begin to grow. The basic seed, when properly nourished, will sprout and begin to grow in two different directions. The part of the seed that will grow up is called the “shoot” or “blade”. The part of the seed that will grow downward is called the “root”. As the seed grows, the shoot will break through the soil and photosynthesis will begin; the sunlight, water, earth, and air are all partakers in feeding the plant, causing it to grow and take root. As the blade grows and gets bigger, the root also begins to dig deeper and deeper into the earth, and as the root expands more and more, it becomes the foundation and support system of the tree. Eventually, you no longer recognize that there ever was a seed because the seed transformed into and became the root. What we now see is that the tree grew and matured and what we now have is a root, a tree, and eventually fruit that bears new seed. In this lesson, our tree will be a peach tree.

Ray Ogle part 2

In Genesis 2:9, we see God plant two special trees in the garden of Eden and both trees bear fruit. It is from our horticulture lesson that we understand that the fruit bears the seed from which the “nature” of the tree grows. Here was Adam’s test. Adam and Eve were given all that they needed to survive as created beings. God, in all His fairness and wisdom, made man a free moral agent with the ability to choose as he wishes. What this test was to reveal is what “kind” of “seed-spirit” man would be. Remember that in Gen. 2:7 we see man has a body and a living soul but no mention of “spirit” yet. Man is supposed to be a trinity in God’s image and likeness (1 Thess. 5:23).

The tree of “life” and the tree of “knowledge of good and evil” are the two special trees God planted and these trees are the very trees yielding fruit that will determine how mankind is complete. You could actually call these trees the “Tree of Life” and the “Tree of Death.” And as we know from Gen. 3:6, Adam and Eve did eat from the “tree of death” and Adam took within himself (spiritually) the seed of the fruit that was picked by Eve from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. As with every seed so far, the seed will produce “after his kind.” We see that instantly in Gen. 3:7 their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked. At this point the seed has sprung life and is beginning to grow in them to become a tree yielding fruit and seed “after his kind.” The result of Adam’s choice gave birth to death within spiritually, and the immediate result in their conscious thinking and feeling was guilt, shame, and separation. These are the first fruits of the death being manifested from the seed-spirit that was birthed in Adam.

What is so very interesting is that there is no further recorded history of Adam‘s particular sin. There is nothing in the bible about the fruits of corruption, in detail, concerning Adam. Only his disobedience is paramount in scripture. Rather, what God does have us to focus on is the fruit yielding “after his kind” according to the first spiritual seed. The judgment that came after Adam’s choice is seen in Gen. 3:14-24 where the woman must now travail in childbirth and man must till (toil) the earth for food. God cursed the ground (Gen. 3:17). Another important point to think about is that God first “formed” and made man of uncursed earth. We will discuss uncursed earth later.

We now come to the place where we begin to see roots and how they form and grow spiritually. Gen. 4:1-7 gives us the information of the first two earthly sons born to Adam and Eve. These two, Cain and Abel, are the result of Adam’s seed sown, “after his kind,” in the flesh, Cain being the first born. The result of Adam’s choice to eat of the “Tree of Death” is also yielded in these same verses.

At the “time of offering,” Gen. 4:3, Cain offered up to the Lord of the works of his hands, (probably fruit and vegetables), and his offering was not pleasing to the Lord. Abel, on the other hand, offered of his flocks of the firstlings (probably a lamb), and his offering was pleasing to the Lord. God offered Cain an opportunity to correct the matter and if not, sin would lie at the door and come into the picture and yield fruit. Cain made the same choice as his father and he became jealous and felt separated because of his choice. He then rose up against Abel and the first murder of the bible takes place and Cain kills Abel, Gen. 4:7-9. From looking at Adam’s choice to eat of the forbidden fruit we see that this first spiritual seed passed on to Cain has now revived (Rom. 7:9), begun to grow, take root, and yield fruit. The spiritual offspring and fruit of this choice of Adam was a murderer. (See, John 8:44).

A very good scripture for understanding what had happened is Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” As we already know, God created and planted the first seeds of the physical world we know. But since believers know God as Father, we also know a Father must sow seed of His loins (kind). Since God is a Spirit then there must be a spiritual birthing somewhere in order for there to be a spiritual family of sons and daughters. Genesis has been called the “Book of beginnings,” but I like to call it the “Book of seeds.”
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@soul man, It is better to reformate the article like this with parts one and two combined:

Written by Ray Ogle part 1

Now that I have had my own personal revelation that Christ is in me and Christ is my life, the Bible is now a whole new collection of scriptures just waiting to be revealed to my knowing the fullness that is in Christ. As I have been growing in the Christ-life, certain verses of Scripture have eluded me, and I lacked understanding until now.

I had two questions. What makes a Christian a Christian? What do Matthew 3:10 and Luke 3:9 mean? So I set out into Scripture to discover the understanding that has brought peace to my wondering soul.

"And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire." (Matthew 3:10) At my first reading, I thought this verse was for Israel only and referred to Israel's rejection of Jesus as Messiah, believing that God was thus cutting the nation off from His blessing and from the "church age." As I began to study these verses and travel through the Scriptures, Christ in me revealed an awesome "panoramic" picture I had not previously known.

The Holy Ghost, as teacher and guide, will shed light, wisdom, and understanding in this revelation, in order for every believer to comprehend what was in God's mind at the beginning of all creation. What an awesome journey to truth!

In order to have any foundation of understanding, we must first travel to the beginning and see what the Word says about it. Matthew 3:10 speaks of a root, and I wanted to know exactly what this root was and where it came from. In the Strong's, "root" is 4491=rhiza, which is singular, meaning only one root, not many. In this verse, we have one root (singular), and many trees (plural).

If this verse had read, "the root of the tree," then I would have more readily accepted that it was referring to only Israel, because Israel is referred to as an olive tree. We will discuss the (plural) sense of trees later. A root. Where, exactly, does a root come from and how does it grow and exist. In Genesis 1:1-10, God created all the necessary elements it takes to support life on this planet.

We see water, earth, and oxygen (air) being brought forth first. On day three, we see God bring forth grass, herb, and the tree yielding fruit after his kind. Ask this question: Which came first, the seed or the tree? The seed, of course, because we see that on the fourth day (Genesis 1:16), God made the great light (sun) to rule the day, and we all know that it takes water, earth, air, and light to make a plant grow, and that the light process is what we call "photosynthesis". We now have all the necessary elements in place for God to plant a garden, where the greatest test of man will take place. "Horticulture Class 101 is now in session." Two questions: What is a seed, and what does the seed do? First, a seed is what contains
and manifests all the DNA and genetic information as to what kind of creature (being) it will become.

In this lesson, it is a tree. The seed is what will determine what kind of tree it will be and what kind of fruit it will grow. In the Christ-life, the seed holds within it ALL the character and nature for that which it is, and will become. In Strong’s, the seed’s nature is: Nature = 5449, 5453=phue, phusis = growth (by germination or expansion), natural production (lineal descent); a genus or sort, native disposition, constitution or usage, man(kind), nature(al). 5453 = “to puff or blow,” to swell up, but only used in the implicated sense, to germinate or grow (sprout, produce), spring (up). Very simply put, a peach seed will become what?

A peach tree! And it will bring forth what? Peaches! Second, a seed (when germinated) will miraculously spring life within it and begin to grow. The basic seed, when properly nourished, will sprout and begin to grow in two different directions. The part of the seed that will grow up is called the “shoot” or “blade”. The part of the seed that will grow downward is called the “root”. As the seed grows, the shoot will break through the soil and photosynthesis will begin; the sunlight, water, earth, and air are all partakers in feeding the plant, causing it to grow and take root. As the blade grows and gets bigger, the root also begins to dig deeper and deeper into the earth, and as the root expands more and more, it becomes the foundation and support system of the tree. Eventually, you no longer recognize that there ever was a seed because the seed transformed into and became the root. What we now see is that the tree grew and matured and what we now have is a root, a tree, and eventually fruit that bears new seed. In this lesson, our tree will be a peach tree.

Ray Ogle part 2

In Genesis 2:9, we see God plant two special trees in the garden of Eden and both trees bear fruit. It is from our horticulture lesson that we understand that the fruit bears the seed from which the “nature” of the tree grows. Here was Adam’s test. Adam and Eve were given all that they needed to survive as created beings. God, in all His fairness and wisdom, made man a free moral agent with the ability to choose as he wishes. What this test was to reveal is what “kind” of “seed-spirit” man would be. Remember that in Gen. 2:7 we see man has a body and a living soul but no mention of “spirit” yet. Man is supposed to be a trinity in God’s image and likeness (1 Thess. 5:23).

The tree of “life” and the tree of “knowledge of good and evil” are the two special trees God planted and these trees are the very trees yielding fruit that will determine how mankind is complete. You could actually call these trees the “Tree of Life” and the “Tree of Death.” And as we know from Gen. 3:6, Adam and Eve did eat from the “tree of death” and Adam took within himself (spiritually) the seed of the fruit that was picked by Eve from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. As with every seed so far, the seed will produce “after his kind.” We see that instantly in Gen. 3:7 their eyes were opened and they knew they were naked. At this point the seed has sprung life and is beginning to grow in them to become a tree yielding fruit and seed “after his kind.” The result of Adam’s choice gave birth to death within spiritually, and the immediate result in their conscious thinking and feeling was guilt, shame, and separation. These are the first fruits of the death being manifested from the seed-spirit that was birthed in Adam.

What is so very interesting is that there is no further recorded history of Adam‘s particular sin. There is nothing in the bible about the fruits of corruption, in detail, concerning Adam. Only his disobedience is paramount in scripture. Rather, what God does have us to focus on is the fruit yielding “after his kind” according to the first spiritual seed. The judgment that came after Adam’s choice is seen in Gen. 3:14-24 where the woman must now travail in childbirth and man must till (toil) the earth for food. God cursed the ground (Gen. 3:17). Another important point to think about is that God first “formed” and made man of uncursed earth. We will discuss uncursed earth later.

We now come to the place where we begin to see roots and how they form and grow spiritually. Gen. 4:1-7 gives us the information of the first two earthly sons born to Adam and Eve. These two, Cain and Abel, are the result of Adam’s seed sown, “after his kind,” in the flesh, Cain being the first born. The result of Adam’s choice to eat of the “Tree of Death” is also yielded in these same verses.

At the “time of offering,” Gen. 4:3, Cain offered up to the Lord of the works of his hands, (probably fruit and vegetables), and his offering was not pleasing to the Lord. Abel, on the other hand, offered of his flocks of the firstlings (probably a lamb), and his offering was pleasing to the Lord. God offered Cain an opportunity to correct the matter and if not, sin would lie at the door and come into the picture and yield fruit. Cain made the same choice as his father and he became jealous and felt separated because of his choice. He then rose up against Abel and the first murder of the bible takes place and Cain kills Abel, Gen. 4:7-9. From looking at Adam’s choice to eat of the forbidden fruit we see that this first spiritual seed passed on to Cain has now revived (Rom. 7:9), begun to grow, take root, and yield fruit. The spiritual offspring and fruit of this choice of Adam was a murderer. (See, John 8:44).

A very good scripture for understanding what had happened is Romans 5:12, “Wherefore, as by one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” As we already know, God created and planted the first seeds of the physical world we know. But since believers know God as Father, we also know a Father must sow seed of His loins (kind). Since God is a Spirit then there must be a spiritual birthing somewhere in order for there to be a spiritual family of sons and daughters. Genesis has been called the “Book of beginnings,” but I like to call it the “Book of seeds.”
'Continued'

Or to simply to give the link to the original.

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