OSAS Scriptures

Taken said:

I was not responding to any verse you quoted.

I was responding to your comment, that men could turn away from Christ....

Sure they can.......Until such time they BECOME Saved and Born Again...THEN no, they can not turn away from Christ.

Glory to God,
Taken

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CoreIssue said:

Matthew 7:22
22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

Satan appears as an angel of light. So demons can fake these things through people.

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n2thelight said:

You really don't get it,a demon cannot cast out a demon else he goes aginst his father whom is satan

Matthew 12:26 "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

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n2thelight said:

You really don't get it,a demon cannot cast out a demon else he goes aginst his father whom is satan

Matthew 12:26 "And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?"

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CoreIssue said:

You didn't read what I said. I said fakes it.

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Enoch111 said:

No. God conditions salvation on human faith.

Now pay close attention to the words of Christ, who is God:

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mk 16:15,16)

What is the purpose of the Gospel?
Who does the believing?
What is the result of that believing?
Does it say "the elect one who believes" or simply "he"?

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n2thelight said:

You gave all the scriptures that no one can turn us away from Christ,however we can turn ourselves away.

II Peter 2:20 "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning."

This is stating that these souls came to the knowledge of the saving power of God through Jesus Christ, and knew that He died on the cross and shed His blood for their sins, and in repentance they have been made righteous in the sight of God. If they have reached this point in their salvation, and then turn their backs on our Heavenly Father, and entangle themselves in the traditions of men, they will be worse off at the end. It would have been better of that they would have never heard of the Word of God, and the saving power and love of Jesus Christ, then to have tasted of it, and turn their backs to it.

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BobRyan said:

Indeed the debate is not over someone else stronger than Christ ripping the saints out of God's hands. We see no "two sides debating" that one.

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As we saw "in scripture" -- Calvinism does not survive these texts .

Rom 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand only by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.


-- forgiveness revoked --

Matthew 18
32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35 “So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”


Or these texts

1 Cor 6
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated? 8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren! 9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

As we all know - You cannot fall away from something such that you cannot be "renewed again" to it -- if you never had it to start with.

Heb 6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,

(Which is the saved condition -- not the state of the lost)

6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.


Just when Calvinism imagines "arbitrary selection" we find --

Rom 2:11 For there is no partiality with God.

Gal 6: 7 Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. 8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

1 John 3: 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning

Rom 6: 15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! 16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? 17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

1 Cor 9
23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you.
24 Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it. 25 And everyone who competes for the prize is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a perishable crown, but we for an imperishable crown. 26 Therefore I run thus: not with uncertainty. Thus I fight: not as one who beats the air. 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached the gospel to others, I myself should become disqualified.

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Dave L said:

It is obvious you do not understand Calvinism. You are the one who does not survive these texts, wrestling them to your own destruction.

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Episkopos said:

No "ism" survives the truth if one uses the whole bible. One needs a "holey" bible (not a holy one) to support all your interpretations Dave.


The bible is written on more than one level.

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