Billy Graham's Gospel compared with the Gospel of Grace

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Dave L

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Well, by your own admission, you were involved with writing a HOW TO manuel for sales-men to BRIBE men.

I disagree that is thee Lord Gods method.
People only but what they want. If you sell a good product and it is not something they need, you can sell with a clear conscience.
 

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People only but what they want. If you sell a good product and it is not something they need, you can sell with a clear conscience.

Whatever you want to believe.
I know the difference between a bribe and offer.
 

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I worked in sales for many years. And at one time wrote a company manual giving guidelines on how to sell. Also analyzing how to close a sale and why people buy or do not buy the product.

Many think Christ is available on the same terms. That they must show the benefits for accepting Jesus, evoke an emotional bond, and then close the sale by asking the person to make their decision. This would also be the Billy Graham style of sales technique, asking for decisions from millions for Christ. And purely a legal transaction.

But this is not how salvation works. When people decide to buy a car or to accept Christ, it is an act of the flesh based on an emotional response to the sales pitch.

But is Christ available on these terms? According to scripture, salvation is a miracle wrought by God in the heart that transforms the person from being an unbeliever into a believer. And this takes place as they hear the gospel preached.

Within the simple Gospel is a spiritual force that raises people from the dead. First spiritually. And then in the resurrection and rapture on the last day, where we receive the resurrection of our bodies. Peter says we; “Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.” (1 Peter 1:23) (KJV 1900)

So it isn’t about coaxing the flesh to buy the product as in sales. It is speaking the words of Christ that are Spirit and life into people’s hearts. The transformation takes place many times right as we speak, and the result is a person who believes the gospel.

In fact the fewer of our own words we say, and the less of an emotional response we evoke, the better. And the more we say of God’s words the better. The transforming power is in the word of God that regenerates the human heart as we speak.

In the New Testament, they always followed the message telling believers to receive baptism and repent. And only those who believed by grace would believe enough to follow through.
The whole system seems to revolve around the idea of recorded response (often mass response), rather than leaving the Spirit to work upon the Word. In the 1940s, Hearst newspapers boosted the BG Association at a time when the Cold War was becoming evident.
 
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Paul reasoned from the scriptures. Not winging it like so many do today. The words are Spirit and life through which God creates new life in the hearers.
I wasn't talking about 'winging it' (red herring), I was responding to your recommended formula of 'few words', which Paul didn't seem to grasp. lol
 
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I wasn't talking about 'winging it' (red herring), I was responding to your recommended formula of 'few words', which Paul didn't seem to grasp. lol
Many scripture words, few human words. Scripture is Spirit and Life.
 
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Dave L

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Disagree with most of your understanding.
Most on the forums do. But I used to believe like you do until I heard the doctrine of limited atonement for the first time. It gave me an entirely new freedom I never knew before.
 

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Most on the forums do. But I used to believe like you do

I highly doubt you used to believe as I do.

until I heard the doctrine of limited atonement for the first time. It gave me an entirely new freedom I never knew before.

That is your choice.

I am quite content with being in agreement with Jesus' Doctrine.
 
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Dave L

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I highly doubt you used to believe as I do.



That is your choice.

I am quite content with being in agreement with Jesus' Doctrine.
Let me guess. You are an Arminian, Dispensationalist, Pentecostal?
 

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Is this a Cynthia Bolbach meeting? Billy Graham is totally fun. ' the church is like the man in the house that we all lift up to get healed by Jesus' what we needis healing, ah cancer! Bleh! amendment 10-A is about me "marrying" a muslim sultan, replaced by 'concubine', its a disposable 3-year contract of temporary agency and one-way rights of far more efficient reproduction than Christian models. We're the liberal Presbyterians. Cancer, Bleh!

I do exactly one thing with billy graham, how's he rub shoulders with Eisenhower, he said, well, he's got a religion in office! a stand for Christ!
 

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Lost me at the labels. I don't know what half of them are, thank you Father.
 

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Dr. Schuller: "Tell me, what is the future of Christianity?"

Dr. Graham: "Well, Christianity and being a true believer, you know, I think there's the body of Christ which comes from all the Christian groups around the world, or outside the Christian groups. I think that everybody that loves Christ or knows Christ, whether they're conscious of it or not, they're members of the body of Christ. And I don't think that we're going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time."

"What God is doing today is calling people out of the world for His name. Whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the body of Christ because they've been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts they need something that they don't have and they turn to the only light they have and I think they're saved and they're going to be with us in heaven."

Dr. Schuller: "What I hear you saying is that it's possible for Jesus Christ to come into a human heart and soul and life even if they've been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you're saying?"

Dr. Graham: "Yes it is because I believe that. I've met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, have never heard of Jesus but they've believed in their hearts that there is a God and they tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived."

Dr. Schuller: "This is fantastic. I'm so thrilled to hear you say that. There's a wideness in God's mercy.

Dr. Graham: There is. There definitely is."

Two heretics conversing above.^^^^^^


Should Dr Billy Graham Now Be Considered a Heretic?

Now, here’s the convo on YouTube...

 
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I'm not going to spend hours reading your posts to prove a point. But I picked that up from things you've said over time.

It is disingenuous for you to make false accusations about an others beliefs, they themselves do not claim.