Baptism is it required?

(Alpha and Omega;54633)
(winsome;54583)
IS this the same ZONDERVAN that publishes the KJV, NIV, NASB, NRSV and many other protestant Bibles?
Yes. However, the KJV has no copyrights therefore anyone can publish this Bible. There is no stopping Zondervan from publishing the KJV. Also the NIV is published only by Zondervan and they hold the rights to the NIV and no one else.I will give you a response in due time. Just let me research a little. But feel free to make the statement you wanted to make.Alpha, should my topic that is in (or under) my sig a good enough research for you?

(Alpha and Omega;54633)
Yes. However, the KJV has no copyrights therefore anyone can publish this Bible. There is no stopping Zondervan from publishing the KJV. Also the NIV is published only by Zondervan and they hold the rights to the NIV and no one else. I will give you a response in due time. Just let me research a little. But feel free to make the statement you wanted to make.
Has it not occurred to you that perhaps Zondervan has the rights to publish the NAB (which is what I assume you are referring to). The NAB was published well before Harper-Collins acquired Zondervan.

Why are we turning the subject of this post into Bible versions?

(tomwebster;54666)
Why are we turning the subject of this post into Bible versions?
Because in response to a comment by Watt“We Must Obey GOD And Not To Change Any Of THE WORD OF GOD.”Alpha and Omega launched into an attack on the Catholic Church“Catholic Church did this. Countless new Bible versions. Why? Sounds to me like they do not obey God by changing his word.”

Those who say Water Baptism is not required for Salvation, please take a look into scripture. Acts 2:37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?Acts 2:38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. JESUS CHRIST COMMANDED His Disciples to Baptize everyoneMatthew 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:As a Christian, IF YOU TRULY ARE BORN AGAIN you would not compromise with Scripture, BUT BELIEVE EVERYWORD, EVERY PROMISE, EVERY NECESSITY AND COMMANDMENT WHICH IS THUS SAITH THE LORD.I believe as a Christian, it's Is necessary to Be Baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Man on the Cross was a perfect example of the Grace of God, he received the Holy Ghost the Same Day.WE BAPTIZE IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS PETER AND PAUL DID ACCORDING TO ACTS 2:38 AND ACTS 19:5-6Yes as a True Born Again Believes Who's Been Justified through Faith, Sanctified by the blood and Filled with the Holy Ghost, you need to be Baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I can't see how you can say it's DESIRED BUT NOT NECESSARY OH MY, It's the Word of God here!The Same Spirit that was in Jesus Christ is the Same Spirit that was in Peter, Paul, MEN WHO BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. When the Baptized Person has fully received and repented then the Holy Ghost(The Spirit of Jesus) Fully comes into that persons heart and Re-news the INNER MAN and Quickens this dying mortal body on the day of the resurrection!

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITHERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE(Unorthodox Christian;54721)
Those who say Water Baptism is not required for Salvation, please take a look into scripture. Acts 2:37Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?Acts 2:38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. JESUS CHRIST COMMANDED His Disciples to Baptize everyoneMatthew 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:As a Christian, IF YOU TRULY ARE BORN AGAIN you would not compromise with Scripture, BUT BELIEVE EVERYWORD, EVERY PROMISE, EVERY NECESSITY AND COMMANDMENT WHICH IS THUS SAITH THE LORD.I believe as a Christian, it's Is necessary to Be Baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. The Man on the Cross was a perfect example of the Grace of God, he received the Holy Ghost the Same Day.WE BAPTIZE IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST AS PETER AND PAUL DID ACCORDING TO ACTS 2:38 AND ACTS 19:5-6Yes as a True Born Again Believes Who's Been Justified through Faith, Sanctified by the blood and Filled with the Holy Ghost, you need to be Baptized in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I can't see how you can say it's DESIRED BUT NOT NECESSARY OH MY, It's the Word of God here!The Same Spirit that was in Jesus Christ is the Same Spirit that was in Peter, Paul, MEN WHO BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS. When the Baptized Person has fully received and repented then the Holy Ghost(The Spirit of Jesus) Fully comes into that persons heart and Re-news the INNER MAN and Quickens this dying mortal body on the day of the resurrection!
YEP...THE APOSTLE'S REALLY FOLLOW THE WORD OF GOD. THEY ALL WAS INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT, THE SAME SPIRIT.Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:28)THE TRUTH IS HERE.When Peter said "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ" Here, peter put THE AUTHORITY FROM JESUS into summary,Peter actually referring to THE WORD OF GOD, the WORDS that come from THE MOUTH OF JESUS MATTHEW 28:18-20...Then JESUS came up and said to them, "I HAVE BEEN GIVEN ALL THE AUTHORITY IN HEAVEN AND ON EARTH. GO, THEREFORE,AND MAKE DICIPLE S FROM ALL NATIONS. BAPTIZE THEM IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT, AND TEACH THEM TO FULFILL ALL THAT I HAVE COMMENDED YOU.I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS UNTIL THE END OF THIS WORLD." THEREFORE...WE MUST UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING IN THE BIBLE WITH THE HELP OF THE HOLY SPIRIT... NOT FROM OUR OWN WAYS OF THINKING OR OWN WAY OF UNDERSTANDING.MAY GOD FORGIVE ALL OF US.AMENFROM WATT

Peter's sermon on Pentecost CANNOT be used to support water baptism to be necessary under the gospel of grace.Peter's sermon on Pentecost:(was it to the Jews, the Gentiles, or both?)Acts 2:31-38 (NKJV)31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. 34 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:'The Lord said to my Lord,'Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."' In the above Peter is testifying to the Jews that Jesus is the promised Christ. 36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" Peter tells the Jews they have crucified the Lord of Glory. The Jews wanted to know what they could do to atone """for crucifying Jesus."""38 ""THEN"" Peter said to “”THEM,”” "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.Note: Verse 38 is a direct answer to the question in verse 37. The Jews were to repent of rejecting Jesus and having Him crucified. ---NOTE: It was not to repent of sins of the flesh. Nowhere in the context have sins of the flesh been mentioned.The Jews were to fulfill a Jewish ritual of water cleansing (water baptism), a ritual under the Law of Moses, and at the same time they were to 'acknowledge' Jesus as the Christ by performing this ritual (baptism) in His name.39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."Peter's sermon included verse 39 which was taken from Joel 2:28-29 and was about the ""promise of the Holy Spirit"" that was to be given to the Jews. Verse 39 was to assure the Jews that their sin of rejecting Jesus would be forgiven and that they would also be given the Holy Spirit (see verse 38).Joel 2:28-3:1Although it was the Gentiles that actually killed Jesus they did it because the Jews insisted. The Gentiles did not need to repent for what the Jews did. Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles therefore the Gentiles could not reject Him. (Matt 10:5-7) (Matt 15:23-24) (Rom 15:8)Now I know that Peter's sermon has been used as a blanket sermon about repenting and being water baptized. It has become a “FORMULA” to be repeated in order to be saved. I also know that some will reject this writing. But I don't think Peter's sermon is appropriate or valid for this age of grace and those that use it are preaching a sermon that was to the Jews, as if it also applies to the Gentiles. IMHO, that is a blatant falsehood because it is not the truth.Then how is one saved in this age of God’s grace? Rom 10:5-135 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them."6 “””But””” the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down from above)7 or, "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." NKJVThere is not one word about water baptism in Romans 10:5-13Richard

It was said: “CHRIST COMMANDED His Disciples to Baptize everyone”Yes He did, He commanded that those that would believe in Him should be water baptized. They were to start in Jerusalem and then go out into all the world. --- However, they could not convert the Jews in Jerusalem, much less the rest of the nations.Matthew 28:19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:God gave the Jews 40 years to accept Jesus as the Messiah but they did not so God destroyed the Temple and turned to the Gentiles with a gospel of God’s grace. This gospel was given to Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles.The great commission given in Matthew 28:19 was rescinded in Galatians 2:8-10Richard

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITHERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE(richardburger;54731)
peter's Sermon On Pentecost Cannot Be Used To Support Water Baptism To Be Necessary Under The Gospel Of Grace.Peter's Sermon On Pentecost:(was It To The Jews, The Gentiles, Or Both?)Acts 2:31-38 (nkjv)31 He, Foreseeing This, Spoke Concerning The Resurrection Of The Christ, That His Soul Was Not Left In Hades, Nor Did His Flesh See Corruption.32 This Jesus God Has Raised Up, Of Which We Are All Witnesses.33 Therefore Being Exalted To The Right Hand Of God, And Having Received From The Father The Promise Of The Holy Spirit, He Poured Out This Which You Now See And Hear. 34 "for David Did Not Ascend Into The Heavens, But He Says Himself:'the Lord Said To My Lord,'sit At My Right Hand, 35 Till I Make Your Enemies Your Footstool."' in The Above Peter Is Testifying To The Jews That Jesus Is The Promised Christ. 36 "therefore Let All The House Of Israel Know Assuredly That God Has Made This Jesus, Whom You Crucified, Both Lord And Christ." 37 Now When They Heard This, They Were Cut To The Heart, And Said To Peter And The Rest Of The Apostles, "men And Brethren, What Shall We Do?" peter Tells The Jews They Have Crucified The Lord Of Glory. The Jews Wanted To Know What They Could Do To Atone """for Crucifying Jesus."""38 ""then"" Peter Said To “”them,”” "repent, And Let Every One Of You Be Baptized In The Name Of Jesus Christ For The Remission Of Sins; And You Shall Receive The Gift Of The Holy Spirit.note: Verse 38 Is A Direct Answer To The Question In Verse 37. The Jews Were To Repent Of Rejecting Jesus And Having Him Crucified. ---note: It Was Not To Repent Of Sins Of The Flesh. Nowhere In The Context Have Sins Of The Flesh Been Mentioned.the Jews Were To Fulfill A Jewish Ritual Of Water Cleansing (water Baptism), A Ritual Under The Law Of Moses, And At The Same Time They Were To 'acknowledge' Jesus As The Christ By Performing This Ritual (baptism) In His Name.39 For The Promise Is To You And To Your Children, And To All Who Are Afar Off, As Many As The Lord Our God Will Call."Peter's Sermon Included Verse 39 Which Was Taken From Joel 2:28-29 And Was About The ""promise Of The Holy Spirit"" That Was To Be Given To The Jews. verse 39 Was To Assure The Jews That Their Sin Of Rejecting Jesus Would Be Forgiven And That They Would Also Be Given The Holy Spirit (see Verse 38).joel 2:28-3:1Although It Was The Gentiles That Actually Killed Jesus They Did It Because The Jews Insisted. The Gentiles Did Not Need To Repent For What The Jews Did. Jesus Was Not Sent To The Gentiles Therefore The Gentiles Could Not Reject Him. (matt 10:5-7) (matt 15:23-24) (rom 15:8)Now I Know That Peter's Sermon Has Been Used As A Blanket Sermon About Repenting And Being Water Baptized. It Has Become A “formula” To Be Repeated In Order To Be Saved. I Also Know That Some Will Reject This Writing. But I Don't Think Peter's Sermon Is Appropriate Or Valid For This Age Of Grace And Those That Use It Are Preaching A Sermon That Was To The Jews, As If It Also Applies To The Gentiles. Imho, That Is A Blatant Falsehood Because It Is Not The Truth.then How Is One Saved In This Age Of God’s Grace? Rom 10:5-135 For Moses Writes About The Righteousness Which Is Of The Law, "the Man Who Does Those Things Shall Live By Them."6 “””but””” the Righteousness Of Faith Speaks In This Way, "do Not Say In Your Heart, 'who Will Ascend Into Heaven?'" (that Is, To Bring Christ Down From Above)7 Or, "'who Will Descend Into The Abyss?'" (that Is, To Bring Christ Up From The Dead).8 But What Does It Say? "the Word Is Near You, In Your Mouth And In Your Heart" (that Is, The Word Of Faith Which We Preach):9 That If You Confess With Your Mouth The Lord Jesus And Believe In Your Heart That God Has Raised Him From The Dead, You Will Be Saved.10 For With The Heart One Believes Unto Righteousness, And With The Mouth Confession Is Made Unto Salvation.11 For The Scripture Says, "whoever Believes On Him Will Not Be Put To Shame."12 For There Is No Distinction Between Jew And Greek, For The Same Lord Over All Is Rich To All Who Call Upon Him.13 For "whoever Calls On The Name Of The Lord Shall Be Saved." Nkjvthere Is Not One Word About Water Baptism In Romans 10:5-13Richard
Please...never Use Flesh. But Allow THE HOLY SPIRIT To Lead Us. Our Own Understand Or Our Own Ways Of Thinking Was Totally Corrupted By The Original Sin... The Devil was There Within Our Self. That Is Why JESUS Die For Us So That The Grain Will Sprout And Bear Much Fruit. The Fruit Is "The Gift Of THE HOLY SPIRIT" Only THE HOLY SPIRIT Is The One To Tell Us "the Truth " Of Who We Are, And He Will Lead To The Light Of CHRIST.Remember...THE FATHER , THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, THEY ARE ONEThe Apostle's Receive The Same SPIRIT. And They Proclaim The Same "WORD OF GOD".JESUS Said "TRULY I SAY TO YOU UNLESS ONE IS BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND SPIRIT HE CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD." (john 3:5)See!!JESUS Is THE SON OF GOD, THE FATHER IN HEAVEN Clearly Instructed Us To Listen To HIS SON "JESUS"...so Listen HIM, Obey Every WORDS HE Says And Do What HE Says. And Lean Not On Our Own Understanding. In All Our Way Acknowledge HIM And HE Shall direct Our Path.MAY GOD FORGIVE ALL OUR SINAMENFROM WATT

(RichardBurger;54731)
Peter's sermon on Pentecost CANNOT be used to support water baptism to be necessary under the gospel of grace.Peter's sermon on Pentecost:(was it to the Jews, the Gentiles, or both?)Acts 2:31-38 (NKJV)31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption.32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.33 Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear. 34 "For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:'The Lord said to my Lord,'Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."' In the above Peter is testifying to the Jews that Jesus is the promised Christ. 36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ." 37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" Peter tells the Jews they have crucified the Lord of Glory. The Jews wanted to know what they could do to atone """for crucifying Jesus."""38 ""THEN"" Peter said to “”THEM,”” "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.Note: Verse 38 is a direct answer to the question in verse 37. The Jews were to repent of rejecting Jesus and having Him crucified. ---NOTE: It was not to repent of sins of the flesh. Nowhere in the context have sins of the flesh been mentioned.The Jews were to fulfill a Jewish ritual of water cleansing (water baptism), a ritual under the Law of Moses, and at the same time they were to 'acknowledge' Jesus as the Christ by performing this ritual (baptism) in His name.39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."Peter's sermon included verse 39 which was taken from Joel 2:28-29 and was about the ""promise of the Holy Spirit"" that was to be given to the Jews. Verse 39 was to assure the Jews that their sin of rejecting Jesus would be forgiven and that they would also be given the Holy Spirit (see verse 38).Joel 2:28-3:1Although it was the Gentiles that actually killed Jesus they did it because the Jews insisted. The Gentiles did not need to repent for what the Jews did. Jesus was not sent to the Gentiles therefore the Gentiles could not reject Him. (Matt 10:5-7) (Matt 15:23-24) (Rom 15:8)Now I know that Peter's sermon has been used as a blanket sermon about repenting and being water baptized. It has become a “FORMULA” to be repeated in order to be saved. I also know that some will reject this writing. But I don't think Peter's sermon is appropriate or valid for this age of grace and those that use it are preaching a sermon that was to the Jews, as if it also applies to the Gentiles. IMHO, that is a blatant falsehood because it is not the truth.Then how is one saved in this age of God’s grace? Rom 10:5-135 For Moses writes about the righteousness which is of the law, "The man who does those things shall live by them."6 “””But””” the righteousness of faith speaks in this way, "Do not say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'" (that is, to bring Christ down from above)7 or, "'Who will descend into the abyss?'" (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart" (that is, the word of faith which we preach):9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.11 For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.13 For "whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved." NKJVThere is not one word about water baptism in Romans 10:5-13Richard
Does it matter whose He addressing?! IT IS THE WORD OF GOD HERE BROTHERS AND SISTERS! WE much not compromise! When Jesus said BAPTIZE ALL THE WORLD. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THUS SAITH THE LORD, BAPTIZE ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.I won't go against Thus Saith The Lord. The Most Important Baptism is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, when the Spirit of God lives in your heart, Anchors your soul, and Renews the Inner Man within you. But Acts 2:38 Says be Baptism in the Name of JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and YOU SHALL receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost...In Acts 19:5-6 Paul BAPTIZES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND they were filled with the Holy Ghost.You will Not enter heaven brothers and sisters if you do not have the Holy Ghost. You must fulfill all righteousness JUST AS JESUS DID, in order to make it into heaven. This is not even an issue of Law or Grace, IT'S THUS SAITH THE LORD BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. His name Only.When he said Father Son Holy GhostTake a Look at Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor(Holy Ghost), The mighty God, The everlasting Father(God the Father), The Prince of Peace(Son).Under One Name Jesus Christ. Is grace Possible lest we have faith? Does Grace Act upon faith without works? James 2:14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?JESUS SAID John 14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments.Take all of the Word of God. In the Old Testament Israel Typed the New Testament Church(The Gentiles).

(Unorthodox Christian;54736)
Does it matter whose He addressing?! IT IS THE WORD OF GOD HERE BROTHERS AND SISTERS! WE much not compromise! When Jesus said BAPTIZE ALL THE WORLD. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THUS SAITH THE LORD, BAPTIZE ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.I won't go against Thus Saith The Lord. The Most Important Baptism is the Baptism of the Holy Ghost, when the Spirit of God lives in your heart, Anchors your soul, and Renews the Inner Man within you. But Acts 2:38 Says be Baptism in the Name of JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and YOU SHALL receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost...In Acts 19:5-6 Paul BAPTIZES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, AND they were filled with the Holy Ghost.You will Not enter heaven brothers and sisters if you do not have the Holy Ghost. You must fulfill all righteousness JUST AS JESUS DID, in order to make it into heaven. This is not even an issue of Law or Grace, IT'S THUS SAITH THE LORD BE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. His name Only.When he said Father Son Holy GhostTake a Look at Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor(Holy Ghost), The mighty God, The everlasting Father(God the Father), The Prince of Peace(Son).Under One Name Jesus Christ. Is grace Possible lest we have faith? Does Grace Act upon faith without works? James 2:14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?JESUS SAID John 14:15If ye love me, keep my commandments.Take all of the Word of God. In the Old Testament Israel Typed the New Testament Church(The Gentiles).
We are to study the word of God and let the Holy Spirit reveal the truth to us.We are not to blindly follow the words of men because they sound so religious. If you truely believe the word of God you will understand that it means what it says and not what Man says it means. The book of James is another example. James PLAINLY states who the letter is written to in James 1:1 but men want to say it "REALLY DOESN"T MEAN WHAT IT SAYS."Richard

It was said: "Does it matter whose He addressing?! IT IS THE WORD OF GOD HERE BROTHERS AND SISTERS! WE much not compromise! When Jesus said BAPTIZE ALL THE WORLD. THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THUS SAITH THE LORD, BAPTIZE ALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST."Amazing that anyone would say the above! Of course it matters.All of the scriptures are recorded FOR US to learn about God but not all of them are addressed TO US in this age of God's grace.The O.T. is for us to learn about God and His promises to the Jewish people. --- The first 4 books of the N.T. are for the Jews, and us, to learn how Jesus was the promised Messiah for the Jews. ---The book of Acts is a transistional book from law to grace. Where God turned from the Jews to the Gentiles. ---Paul's letter are to us teaching God's plan of salvation through grace, not law, to all people.Richard

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITHere I Am Again To Share THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE(richardburger;54754)
it Was Said: "does It Matter Whose He Addressing?! It Is The Word Of God Here Brothers And Sisters! We Much Not Compromise! When Jesus Said Baptize All The World. That's Pretty Much Thus Saith The Lord, Baptize All In The Name Of The Lord Jesus Christ."Amazing That Anyone Would Say The Above! Of Course It Matters.All Of The Scriptures Are Recorded for Us To Learn About God But Not All Of Them Are Addressed to Us In This Age Of God's Grace.From Watt: No... JESUS Did Not Say That...The Truth Is Here... And No Compromise. JESUS WORD IS JESUS WORD... And If We Say We Are Belong To HIM... Then No Compromise, Follow Exactly What HE Say.Then JESUS Came Up And Said To Them, "I Have Been Given All The Authority In Heaven And On Earth. Go, Therefore,and Make Diciple S From All Nations. Baptize Them In The Name Of The Father And Of The Son And Of The Holy Spirit, And Teach Them To Fulfill All That I Have Commended You.i Am With You Always Until The End Of This World." The O.t. Is For Us To Learn About God And His Promises To The Jewish People. --- The First 4 Books Of The N.t. Are For The Jews, And Us, To Learn How Jesus Was The Promised Messiah For The Jews. ---From Watt: Sorry.. You Used Flesh Again.The Truth Is Here : "GOD So Love The World That HE Gave HIS Only Begotten SON And Whoever Believe In HIM May Not Lost But Have Eternal Life" (john 3:16)See!!!.... HE Did Not Say He Love The Jews!!.... But The World.The Book Of Acts Is A Transistional Book From Law To Grace. Where God Turned From The Jews To The Gentiles. ---Paul's Letter Are To Us Teaching God's Plan Of Salvation Through Grace, Not Law, To All People.From Watt: Please....never Used Flesh. John 3:16 Clearly Mentioned That GOD Love The World...st. Paul Was Chosen By GOD To Be HIS Instrument To Spread The Good News To The Gentile As Well To People Of The Israel. Dont Change Any WORD SPOKEN BY JESUS Please.Richard
MAY GOD FORGIVE ALL OUR SINAMEN FROM WATT

(watt;54735)
IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITHERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVEPlease...never Use Flesh. But Allow THE HOLY SPIRIT To Lead Us. Our Own Understand Or Our Own Ways Of Thinking Was Totally Corrupted By The Original Sin... The Devil was There Within Our Self. That Is Why JESUS Die For Us So That The Grain Will Sprout And Bear Much Fruit. The Fruit Is "The Gift Of THE HOLY SPIRIT" Only THE HOLY SPIRIT Is The One To Tell Us "the Truth " Of Who We Are, And He Will Lead To The Light Of CHRIST.Remember...THE FATHER , THE SON AND THE HOLY SPIRIT, THEY ARE ONEThe Apostle's Receive The Same SPIRIT. And They Proclaim The Same "WORD OF GOD".JESUS Said "TRULY I SAY TO YOU UNLESS ONE IS BORN AGAIN OF WATER AND SPIRIT HE CANNOT ENTER THE KINGDOM OF GOD." (john 3:5)See!!JESUS Is THE SON OF GOD, THE FATHER IN HEAVEN Clearly Instructed Us To Listen To HIS SON "JESUS"...so Listen HIM, Obey Every WORDS HE Says And Do What HE Says. And Lean Not On Our Own Understanding. In All Our Way Acknowledge HIM And HE Shall direct Our Path.MAY GOD FORGIVE ALL OUR SINAMENFROM WATT
Amazing!!! You said nothing about what I said in the reply you are responding to. Evidently you can't discuss the subject since you have evaded them. THe subjects were, Peter's sermon at Pentacost. and The great commission. Perhaps you are really not fimiliar with them.Richard

IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITHERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE(RichardBurger;54804)
Amazing!!! You said nothing about what I said in the reply you are responding to. Evidently you can't discuss the subject since you have evaded them. THe subjects were, Peter's sermon at Pentacost. and The great commission. Perhaps you are really not fimiliar with them.Richard
I KNOW WHAT IS IN YOUR HEART...BUT THAT IS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT, IT IS FROM YOUR FLESH.JESUS IS THE ONE WHO SENT THE HOLY SPIRIT TO THEM...THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL TELL THEM EXACTLY THE MIND OF JESUS CHRIST. WHEN PETER SAY..."BAPTIZE IN JESUS NAME" MEAN HE REFER TO WHAT JESUS HAVE SAY..THE DETAIL OF WHAT JESUS HAVE SAYS IS HERE:-AFTER JESUS RESURRECTION (IN MATTHEW 28 :18-20)Then JESUS Came Up And Said To Them, "I Have Been Given All The Authority In Heaven And On Earth. Go, Therefore,and Make Diciples From All Nations. Baptize Them In The Name Of The Father And Of The Son And Of The Holy Spirit, And Teach Them To Fulfill All That I Have Commended You.i Am With You Always Until The End Of This World." NOW LOOK... ALL THE 11 DISCIPLE'S WAS WITH JESUS AT THAT TIME. SO PETER DONT HAVE TO REPEAT WHAT JESUS HAVE SAYS OR TO GIVE THE DETAILS BECAUSE THEY ALL ALREADY KNOW WHAT JESUS HAS INSTRUCTED THEM TO DO...JESUS IS THE MASTER.. THE DISCIPLE'S ARE THE STUDENT. NOW WHO IS GREATER??..THEN LISTEN TO HIM.REMEMBER... THE ALMIGHTY GOD THE FATHER WHO ARE IN HEAVEN HAVE SAID(A VOICE FROM THE CLOUD): " THIS IS MY SON, THE BELOVED, MY CHOSEN ONE. LISTEN TO HIM" (MATTHEW 17:5)PLEASE... DONT USE FLESH WHEN YOU INTERPRETED THE WORD OF GOD.IF YOU USE YOUR FLESH.. YOU ARE JUST CREATING SIN TO YOUR SELF...WHY I SAY THIS, BECAUSE SOMEONE WILL BE ASTRAY WHEN THEY READ YOUR POST. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE?? DEFINITELY HE WHO USE FLESH...FOR FLESH 100% AGAINST GOD WILL.MAY GOD FORGIVE ALL OUR SIN.AMENFROM WATT

PLEASE... DONT USE FLESH WHEN YOU INTERPRETED THE WORD OF GOD.IF YOU USE YOUR FLESH.. YOU ARE JUST CREATING SIN TO YOUR SELF...WHY I SAY THIS, BECAUSE SOMEONE WILL BE ASTRAY WHEN THEY READ YOUR POST. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE?? DEFINITELY HE WHO USE FLESH...FOR FLESH 100% AGAINST GOD WILL.FROM WATT****What I have learned has been taught to me by the Holy Spirit using the word of God, over a period of more than 50 years. Please stop making these stupid remarks as if you are the only one that has been taught by the Holy Spirit.I suppose, since you think you are the only one that teaches the truth, you are not leading anyone astray. I am the one doing that, right? How is your ego Watt?What I do is give my opinion of what the scriptures mean to me. I force no one to believe as I do and I certainly don't try to intimidate others to believe as I do by saying what you said above. But my efforts are to get people to study the word of God to see if I am right.Richard

Two places in the Bible that I do not feel support baptismal regeneration (water baptism necessary for salvation) are as follows.1 Pet 3:18-2218 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit,19 through whom also he went and preached to the spirits in prison20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,21 and this water """symbolizes""" baptism that now saves you also-- not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,22 who has gone into heaven and is at God's right hand-- with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.(NIV)Verse 21 in the NKJV reads:21 There is also an “””antitype””” which now saves us-- baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,(NKJ)At the end of verse 20, we read that, eight souls, were saved ""through" water. It is not that they were saved "by" water; they were saved "through" the water. Water was not the savior, but the judgment through which God brought them. If the people in the Ark, left the Ark, they would have drowned in the water. Therefore it is obvious that the water was not salvation.To properly understand this statement in verse 20 and the verse that follows, we must see the typical meaning of the Ark and the flood. The Ark is a picture of the Lord Jesus Christ. The flood of water depicts the judgment of God. The Ark was the only way of salvation. When the flood came, only those who were inside were saved; all those on the outside perished. So Christ is the only way of salvation; those who are "in Christ" (Romans 8:1-2, 2 Cor. 1:21-22, 2 Cor. 5:17) are as saved as God Himself can make them. Those on the outside could not be more lost.The water was not the means of salvation, for all who were in the water drowned. The Ark was the place of refuge and the only means of salvation. The Ark went ""through"" the water of judgment; it took the full brunt of the storm. Not a drop of water reached those inside the Ark. So Christ bore the fury of God's judgment against our sins. For those who are "in Him" there is no judgment (John 5:24).Actually, there is a baptism which saves us --- not our baptism in water, but a baptism which took place at Calvary almost 2000 years ago; Christ's death was a baptism (see Mark 10:38). He was baptized in the waters of judgment. This is what He meant when He said, "I have a baptism to be baptized with, and how distressed I am till it is accomplished" (Luke 12:50). The psalmist described this baptism in the words, "Deep calls unto deep at the noise of Your waterfalls; all Your waves and billows have gone over me" (Psalms 42:7). In His death, Christ was baptized in the waves and billows of God's wrath, and it is this baptism that is the basis for our salvation; Christ's baptism unto death on the cross. Today the Holy Spirit baptizes us into His baptism on the cross. That is what it means to be buried with Him. Our water baptism "represents" our identification with Him in only. It does not save us.Many people use John 3:1-6 to support water baptism. -- But what do these scriptures really say?**** ScriptureJohn 3:1-6 .. (NIV)1 Now there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council.2 He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him."3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit.6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.**** end scripture It seems to me that in verses 3 and 4 there are only two births being discussed, a man's first birth in the flesh and a necessary second birth of the Spirit. -- Notice that in verse 5 he used the words "born of water" and then "the spirit" and in verse 6, "WHICH AMPIFIES VERSE 5," He uses the words "birth to flesh" and then "birth to spirit." Nicodemus has brought up the subject of being born in the flesh for a second time. What has been said is that physical birth is not enough. Some will disagree but I believe he is talking about our physical birth "birth to flesh" in verse 5 and that there is another birth, "birth to spirit" which is accomplished by the Holy Spirit (NOT MAN)Since the word baptism was not included in the text, to add it is to change the meaning of the word of God.It has been said by another: I think it would be trivial to tell Nicodemus that he had to be born of the water if this meant physical birth. After all, he had already gone through this birth. Why bother to tell him then? -- Why, because it was Nicodemus that brought up the idea of going back into the womb and being born again.Context is everything. Nowhere in the conversation has water baptism been mentioned. In John 3, verse 6 we see the words "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. " There is absolutely no mention of water baptism. Only two things are under discussion, being born of the flesh and being born of the Spirit.Richard

If Jesus Commands Us to Be Baptize in His Name, Matthew 28:19, Which is Acts 2:38 and Acts 19:4-6Then Be Baptized in His NameNo man in the Bible, Other than the Thief we know had Ever Received the Holy Ghost UNTIL THEY WERE BAPTIZED IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.No man in The Bible received the Holy Ghost without being Baptized in The Lord Jesus Christ' Name, Unless you were Prophet. JESUS CHRIST WAS GOD MANIFESTED IN FLESH, A GOD-PROPHET, AND HE WAS BAPTIZED to FULFILL ALL RIGHTEOUSNESS.No man or woman was ever baptized in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost titles, PAUL strongly emphasized baptizing in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ' Name.How can you Say you're Truly Born again of the Spirit, When Water Baptism is your testimony THAT YOU BELIEVE EVERY WORD AND FULFILLMENTS OF THE BIBLE. THIS IS NOT THE LAW WERE DEALING HERE, IT'S STILL GRACE.

Is water baptism required:What Paul teaches is that there are NO physical rituals, ceremonies, (physical works) required under the gospel of the grace of God given to him by Jesus. All the works required for salvation God completed on the cross and man cannot add to them. Salvation is a free gift to sinful men living in sinful bodies that have a sinful nature. Man could not/cannot keep the perfect Law of God, so God did it for them.Gal 3:1-51 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?NOTE:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?4 Have you suffered so many things in vain-- if indeed it was in vain?5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, does He do it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?--(NKJ)Works of the flesh (physically performed works) do not do anything to the heart. It is the heart that matters.If men are going to reference Mathew 28:19 and say that Jesus commanded (commissioned) the 12 to preach AND BAPTIZE as a source to prove baptism is required then they must also submit to the opposite when it comes to Paul. Paul was not commanded (commissioned) to baptize. This is plain and simple. If Paul was not commanded (commissioned) to baptize then water baptism is not necessary under the grace message he taught.1 Cor 1:17-1817 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect.18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.(NKJ)Man can make something out of nothing and say Paul had others to do the water baptism for him if they wish but that is just an assumption made by them. It is obvious that Paul's commission and message did not have water baptism as a requirement.Richard

RichardThis one we agree on, baptism is not required for Salvation. It is an act of obedience though.