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CoreIssue

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Jesus did not deny that a physical Kingdom is coming for Israel. When asked about it in Acts 1:6-7, He merely said that, "The Father determines those dates." (and then redirects their attention to the task at hand--telling the world about Him). If it was not a future reality, would He not have told them that a future Kingdom for Israel was now officially out of the plan? He told His disciples in John 14:2 that "there is more than enough room in my Father's home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?" The fact remains that there are OT prophecies about a future kingdom for Israel which have never been fulfilled (very detailed in the Book of Ezekiel). If they are not fulfilled eventually, it would overturn prophecy. God will not allow that to happen.

Dave L keeps posting negative proofs.
 
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You might not be in Christ if you do not repent.


Repent from what? Good thing that God is God (and you are not). Can you just be done with forecasting doom on others please? Just because I don't buy every single bit of John Calvin's theology doesn't mean that I am destined for a Christ-less hell.
 

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Just like you claim amillennialism is correct. And that the Bible's more figurative than literal.
You most likely don't possess enough Biblical acumen to determine which parts of Scripture are figurative or literal since you have other serious issues with Scripture. You have a bad habit of stating things that are not in Scripture, even giving passages as examples, yet nowhere is it to be found therein what you claimed. Then when challenged to show where it is in the text you resort to insults and other childish behaviors.
 
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Repent from what? Good thing that God is God (and you are not). Can you just be done with forecasting doom on others please? Just because I don't buy every single bit of John Calvin's theology doesn't mean that I am destined for a Christ-less hell.
“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [as a life style]; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10)
 
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Jesus did not deny that a physical Kingdom is coming for Israel. When asked about it in Acts 1:6-7, He merely said that, "The Father determines those dates." (and then redirects their attention to the task at hand--telling the world about Him). If it was not a future reality, would He not have told them that a future Kingdom for Israel was now officially out of the plan? He told His disciples in John 14:2 that "there is more than enough room in my Father's home. If this were not so, would I have told you that I am going to prepare a place for you?" The fact remains that there are OT prophecies about a future kingdom for Israel which have never been fulfilled (very detailed in the Book of Ezekiel). If they are not fulfilled eventually, it would overturn prophecy. God will not allow that to happen.
Please Brothers and Sisters, lets stay on topic and not take this thread into eschatology. Thanks bunches.
 
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“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [as a life style]; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10)
John's First Epistle is very searching, indeed.
 
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“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [as a life style]; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10)

Okay, Dave. How do you stack up on this score? What about 1 John 1:8
 

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“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin [as a life style]; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10)

Also, see 1 John 4:15
 
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Okay, Dave. How do you stack up on this score? What about 1 John 1:8
I am filthy rotten to the core. I loathe all that I am and beg God's forgiveness for it at the start of each day. But Paul says if we walk after the Spirit we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. So I reject every thought and imagination that would tend to sin, while it remains temptation. And make sure love, though not yet perfect, is the motive behind every word or action I produce.
 
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I am filthy rotten to the core. I loathe all that I am and beg God's forgiveness for it at the start of each day. But Paul says if we walk after the Spirit we will not fulfill the lust of the flesh. So I reject every thought and imagination that would tend to sin, while it remains temptation. And make sure love, though not yet perfect, is the motive behind every word or action I produce.
Good thoughts. Ephesians 2 comes to mind.
 

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You said if I tell you my position, you would tell me yours. Are you welshing on giving testimonies?

That is NOT what I said--why accuse me of "welshing" when I never engaged on the point of my testimony? I have given portions of my testimony here for everyone to read--go back and read them.

I asked two questions which you failed to answer:

1) And that is what you think I am doing? [confessing a "false Christ"] and 2) On what are you basing that opinion?

If you don't answer them, neither will I answer your question, "What do you base your salvation on (sic)?"
 

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We are saved by grace through faith. This does not mean that we do not have faith. What it does mean is that this faith is a gift from God. We are not trying to get rid of faith; we are changing where it comes from. Instead of coming from within the dead, unregenerate man, we believe God changes our hearts of stone and gives us hearts that have the ability to have faith, and that makes this faith a gift from God. We believe that we are saved fully by the work of the cross, and not that we were made able to save ourselves. Christ's work is finished; the debt for His people is paid in full, and nothing can add or subtract from that payment.



Romans 5:1-2 must be understood that Paul is talking to those who have already been saved by the grace of God. This 'access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. Paul is speaking of God's grace through tribulation and trials; he says so himself in the next few verses. He is saying "Don't only be joyful only because you know God's grace is upon you during trouble, but also rejoice in the trials themselves because..." and he goes on to explain the benefits of going through trials. Ephesians 2:8-9 expressly, point blank says we are actually SAVED by grace through the tool that is faith, and if you read onwards you see that there is no indication he is talking of anything else other than salvation. We see elsewhere that men cannot generate faith in and of themselves:

Job 14:4
Jeremiah 13:23
Matthew 7:16-18
Matthew 13:33
John 6:44
John 6:65
Romans 11:35-36
1 Corinthians 2:14
1 Corinthians 4:7
2 Corinthians 3:5

And still elsewhere we see that faith and repentance are divine gifts and are wrought in our souls through the regenerating work of the Spirit

Acts 5:31
Acts 11:18
Acts 13:48
Ephesians 2:8-9
Philippians 1:29
2 Timothy 2:25-26
Romans 8:30
Galatians 1:15-16
John 3:27

And if you look into these verses, you will find that nowhere in the rest of the passage nor the rest of the Scriptures do they contradict; they are taken with context in mind and respected.



If you are searching for God, earnestly searching, rest assured that HE is already doing something. If one asks "What must I do to be saved?", this is the work of the Holy Spirit on their minds and hearts, and the process has already begun; God has already begun to give them His grace! And the beautiful thing is, they can rest assured that Christ will complete this work; they need not fear being lost. When a person is searching, this is God changing their hearts, and one day [in God's own time], He will bring them to a place where they will ask "Sirs, What must I do to be saved?" and when they hear the blessed "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you shall be saved." God's grace will effect them in such a way that instead of having the sinful eyes of men, they are brought to see the wondrous truth, and at that moment, God gifts them with faith, and they believe. When it comes from grace, there is no need to wring the hands and wonder what to do, because God will be the ultimate guide, and not only will he guide you after you have been saved, but He will also guide you to Himself through the wondrous power of His grace.

1 Corinthians 2:10-13
1 Peter 1:1-2
John 1:12-13
Titus 3:5
1 Peter 1:3
Ezekiel 36:26-27
Ephesians 2:0



This is a very interesting question, because by the very language used we see it is not something we can do. Be born again.... did you birth yourself the first time? Did you cause yourself to be birthed? No, of course not! It sounds preposterous to say that one "birthed himself" and this is the very reason for using such language. Though it is true that you must be born again, this does not mean that you must be able to birth yourself. We cannot birth ourselves, and yet in order to enter the presence of God, we must be born again. This birth comes from the Holy Spirit, from God and God alone. He births us, gives us new life, and a new heart. He is the one that causes this new birth, by the amazing power of His grace.

John 1:12-13
John 3:3-8
1 Peter 1:3
1 Peter 1:23
1 John 5:4



A person is absolutely born again by faith in Jesus and His finished work on the Cross.... We just deny that any of this comes from man. As we have seen together above, it is all from God; from the start of our journey towards Him, to our new birth and regeneration, to our faith in Him, it all comes from God. This does not make it any less effective; if nothing else removing sinful man from the equation and substituting instead the perfect God of all makes this faith and new birth all the more potent! It is all from Him brother, and that is what makes it so powerful and amazing.

Isaiah 55:11
John 3:27
John 17:2
Romans 9:16
1 Corinthians 3:6-7
1 Corinthians 4:7
Philippians 2:12-13
James 1:18
1 John 5:20
If a man is born again through faith in Jesus Christ and what He did for us on the Cross, how is it that you say that he is regenerated before that?