Revelation 8:1-5 silence, half hour, earthquake ??

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1. What is the silence in heaven ?

2. How long is the 1/2 hour ? In Rev. 17 there is a 1 hour
What is going on during this time frame ?

3. v.5 Angel cast fire into the earth and there was voices, thundering, lighting
and an earthquake. So will there be a calamity event here or what ?
This happens before the 7 trumpets messages is given.


Opinion is welcome here.
Possibility is welcome here.
Truth is welcome here. :)

1.
Zech 2:13
13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for He is raised up out of His holy habitation.
KJV

Hab 2:20
20 But the LORD is in His holy temple: let all the earth keep silence before Him.
KJV


Like was said about the seventh trumpet when it sounds per Rev.10:7, that the mystery of God should be finished as He declares to His servants the prophets, by the time the 7th seal is opened, God is revealed upon His throne with Jesus having returned. First example is of Jesus appearing to the earth, and second example is His being on earth in the Millennial temple. The 1/2 hour is symbolic of this period of silence, for recognition.

2. The "one hour" in Rev.17 is when the ten kings rule with the beast (king). It represents the time of "great tribulation" at the end of this present world. It is the last hour of the laborers of the vineyard parable that worked only one hour but got the same pay as those who worked all day; it is symbolic of the one hour Jesus found His disciples asleep and said, "...couldest not thou watch one hour?", "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." (Mark 14:37-38).

3. Same kind of symbols in Rev.4:5, Rev.11:19 after the 7th Trumpet had sounded, and Rev.16:18 after the 7th vial is poured out. It represents God's Power and Judgments upon the earth.
 

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Never heard of Ruesnerus. I am close enough to those other authors.

Great, Rusenerus said that Adam was created in the year 3970 BC and the other two chronologists were suggesting that the year was 3971 BC. And so you claim that your chronology was close enough to the other authors. What I am hearing is you clutching at strays to support your timeline of the Old Testament.

I obtain the age of Abraham when he left Ur, by simple maths. He went to Canaan at 75, he lived in Haran for 23 years. 75-23= 52 , Exactly 2000 years since Adam.

Please Book, chapter and verse from the Bible where it tells us that Abraham lived for 23 years in Haran?

Genesis 17:1
says Abraham was 99 when God made the Covenant with him.

God also made a covenant with Abraham in Genesis 15:18 as well, but we do not know the age of Abraham when this occurred. We also know from Genesis 12:1-3 that God had entered into a covenant with Abraham and a s Stephan had said that God had previously given his undertaking with Abraham in Ur before he had left. Many of the scholars I have read, begin God's covenant with Abraham from the account Given in Genesis 12:1-3.

I have made no assumptions, other than the Addendum.
Obviously the Bible truths I point out don't suit your beliefs. You would be better to keep quiet than to show your opposition to them.

Obviously, you did make some assumptions when you ignored the year in which the Flood ended as being insignificant.

Now I have no concerns with the biblical factual truths that you alluded to, but I did have trouble with your stated assumptions as this is where your major errors are.

Perhaps it would be better for you to consider your advise about keeping quite rather than showing opposition to God's truth within the scriptures as you have done.

Shalom
 

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Like was said about the seventh trumpet when it sounds per Rev.10:7, that the mystery of God should be finished as He declares to His servants the prophets, by the time the 7th seal is opened, God is revealed upon His throne with Jesus having returned. First example is of Jesus appearing to the earth,
1 Corinthians 15:52 KJV
[52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Tecarta Bible
 

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Time seem to be what we like to look at to find out where we are or things to come.
Even thinking about time is to figure out when Jesus is coming for his bride.
Even when destruction will take place.
Even when Israel as a nation will be converted to Jesus
We just like to get the timing right.
Jesus did say about an event that he didn't even know when, only the Father knew.
What is more important than time is the event.
Yet we live by times and seasons.
We will continues to talk about it in our time.
Continue on.
It is [only] the flesh that lives by time, not so the Spirit.
 

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1. What is the silence in heaven ?

2. How long is the 1/2 hour ? In Rev. 17 there is a 1 hour
What is going on during this time frame ?

3. v.5 Angel cast fire into the earth and there was voices, thundering, lighting
and an earthquake. So will there be a calamity event here or what ?
This happens before the 7 trumpets messages is given.


Opinion is welcome here.
Possibility is welcome here.
Truth is welcome here. :)

I believe the symbolic silence in heaven is to allow the prayers of the holy ones on earth to be heard. l believe it lasted about 9 months.

Regarding verses 3&5, back in 1513 B.C.E., at Mount Sinai, thunders and lightnings, a loud noise, fire, and a quaking of the mountain signaled Jehovah’s turning his attention to his people. (Exodus 19:16-20) The similar manifestations reported by John likewise indicate Jehovah’s giving attention to his servants on earth.
 

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1. What is the silence in heaven ?

2. How long is the 1/2 hour ?

"About" 30 minutes.
IMO -

A Parallel:
OF; What occured on earth occuring in Heaven.

Incense Offering.

OF; a Jewish Priest entering the Temple's Holy of Holies with incense.

Time for Priest to prepare and enter, then exit; abt. 30 min.

Ie called;
Day of Atonement, Yom Kipper, Jewish Feast

A Parallel:
Of Worshipers in Silence while the Priest enters, releases the incense, and exits.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Yes the flesh has time on it.
But, God gave us that time to deal with and it came from God.
That would be a poor representation. He may have given us time...but it's not a gift, it's a revelation of what "is." He simply created a media in which to reveal all things. In other words, He reveals His reality to us what could be described as "in the twinkling of an eye", over millennia. But His reality, is the only actual reality, while time is a mere creation. Like words on paper...the words are real, but the story is just a story. History.

In God's reality, "I am", and "we are." That is reality. This is the storybook version. Story time is not real.

God is amazing like that!
 

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"About" 30 minutes.
IMO -

A Parallel:
OF; What occured on earth occuring in Heaven.

Incense Offering.

OF; a Jewish Priest entering the Temple's Holy of Holies with incense.

Time for Priest to prepare and enter, then exit; abt. 30 min.

Ie called;
Day of Atonement, Yom Kipper, Jewish Feast

A Parallel:
Of Worshipers in Silence while the Priest enters, releases the incense, and exits.

Glory to God,
Taken
Sounds like what Christ did
 

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1. What is the silence in heaven ?

2. How long is the 1/2 hour ? In Rev. 17 there is a 1 hour
What is going on during this time frame ?
:)

Good day,

Here's my opinion:

(Rev 8:1 KJV) And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.​

The Aramaic word for “silence” can also mean “veil.”

$tq noun sg. emphatic19
štq, štqˀ (šṯeq, šeṯqā) n.m. silence
1 silence Syr, Man.
2 metaph.: veil Syr.​

In the OT, a veil in the head or face could be a sign of mourning as in:

(2Sa 15:30 KJV) And David went up by the ascent of mount Olivet, and wept as he went up, and had his head covered, and he went barefoot: and all the people that was with him covered every man his head, and they went up, weeping as they went up.

(2Sa 19:1 LITV) And it was announced to Joab, Behold, the king is weeping and mourning over Absalom.
(2Sa 19:4 LITV) And the king had covered his face. Yea, the king cried with a loud voice, My son Absalom! Absalom my son, my son!​

“Veil” as mourning in the opening of the 7th Seal makes sense because of the last passage from the 6th Seal:

Rev 7:14-17 KJV
(14) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(15) Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
(16) They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
(17) For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.​

The (symbolic) heavens mourned as a result of the Great Tribulation.

In the Jewish tradition, mourning for the dead is divided into several stages or periods.

"Periods of Mourning

While shiva is a very specific period of mourning, there are stages before and after shiva that have particular significance. In fact, shiva is merely one of many defined periods of grieving within Judaism. Below is a list of the others, each of which is a milestone for a mourner who is grieving the loss of a loved one.

Aninut
The period between death and burial. The mourner during this period is called the ‘onen.’ Before commercial burials, the mourner was fulfilling the needs of the deceased in preparation for burial and therefore was exempt from other religious duties such as morning and evening prayers and putting on tefillin (scrolls containing verses from the Torah).

Avelut
This is the Hebrew word for mourning, which consists of three periods: shiva, sheloshim, and the year of mourning.

Shiva
The traditional seven-day period of mourning, following the burial, when mourners stay at home and receive guests to offer them comfort and participate in daily religious services.

Sheloshim
The 30-day mourning period after the burial and including the first seven days of shiva. It is observed by the immediate family and is designed to allow the mourner to get over the shock of the death. The mourners return to work after the first seven days, but other restrictions remain, such as refraining from attending weddings, dances or parties.

Year of Mourning
When the mourner is mourning a parent, the observances held in sheloshim are extended for one year from the day of burial.

Yahrzeit
The yearly anniversary of a death, which is commemorated with the lighting of a candle that burns for 24 hours and the recitation of the Kaddish prayer."

- Periods of Mourning | Shiva, Jewish Mourning

Of all the stages of mourning mentioned above, only the 7-day period is what I can find in the Bible.

Gen 50:8-10 KJV
(8) And all the house of Joseph, and his brethren, and his father's house: only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds, they left in the land of Goshen.
(9) And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company.
(10) And they came to the threshing floor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seven days.​

1Sa 31:12-13 KJV
(12) All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.(13) And they took their bones, and buried them under a tree at Jabesh, and fasted seven days.​

A quote about the 7-day period:

"They fasted seven days - In imitation of the mourning for Jacob (marginal reference). They would give full honor to Saul though he was fallen."

- Albert Barnes​

Another quote:

"To testify their sorrow for the public loss of Saul, and of the people of God; and to entreat God’s favour to prevent the utter extinction of his people. But you must not understand this word of fasting strictly, as if they eat nothing for seven whole days; but in a more large and general sense, as it is used both in sacred and profane writers; that they did eat but little, and that seldom, and that but mean food, and drunk only water for that time."

- Matthew Poole​

…for about half an hour

(Rev 8:1 KJV) And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

In Bible prophecies concerning duration of time, the 360-day period is the most used and referenced time frame. If we are also going to use it in determining the actual duration of the Biblical “half an hour,” the computation would be similar to:

360 days / 24 = 15 days ≡ 1 hour

15 days / 2 = 7.5 days ≡ half an hour​

7.5 days is equivalent to “half an hour” using the 360-day prophetic year. Now, isn’t the word “about” in the verse when used to express time means that it could be exact or just near the exact time indicated? John did not hear the time duration, it seems that he felt or experienced it. The Aramaic word "about" in the verse has the definition:

)yk p01 = )yk p --> hyk p
hyk (hayḵ/hēḵ/ˀaḵ) prep. like
1 like Palm, JLAtg, PTA, CPA, Sam, Syr, JBAmb, LJLA, JudSyr. --(a) as is appropriate for Syr. --(b) according to Syr. --(c) ܐܝܟ ܙܢܐ ܕ‏ just as‏ Syr.​

The 7-day period of mourning is very close to the actual duration of “half an hour.”

Why would the "silence in heaven" be mentioned at the opening of the 7th Seal and why would its duration be about the space of half an hour and not of the other periods or durations of mourning quoted above? Maybe, it has something to do with the timing of the 1st Trumpet and I believe this 7-day period is to be converted to years, a year for a day.
 
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Good day,


…for about half an hour

(Rev 8:1 KJV) And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

In Bible prophecies concerning duration of time, the 360-day period is the most used and referenced time frame. If we are also going to use it in determining the actual duration of the Biblical “half an hour,” the computation would be similar to:

360 days / 24 = 15 days ≡ 1 hour

15 days / 2 = 7.5 days ≡ half an hour​

7.5 days is equivalent to “half an hour” using the 360-day prophetic year. Now, isn’t the word “about” in the verse when used to express time means that it could be exact or just near the exact time indicated? John did not hear the time duration, it seems that he felt or experienced it. The Aramaic word "about" in the verse has the definition:

)yk p01 = )yk p --> hyk p
hyk (hayḵ/hēḵ/ˀaḵ) prep. like
1 like Palm, JLAtg, PTA, CPA, Sam, Syr, JBAmb, LJLA, JudSyr. --(a) as is appropriate for Syr. --(b) according to Syr. --(c) ܐܝܟ ܙܢܐ ܕ‏ just as‏ Syr.​

The 7-day period of mourning is very close to the actual duration of “half an hour.”

Why would the "silence in heaven" be mentioned at the opening of the 7th Seal and why would its duration be about the space of half an hour and not of the other periods or durations of mourning quoted above? Maybe, it has something to do with the timing of the 1st Trumpet and I believe this 7-day period is to be converted to years, a year for a day.
PROPHETICAL TIME
1 DAY FOR A YEAR
360 DAYS = 360 YEARS
30 DAYS = 1 MONTH = 30 YEAR
1 HOUR 24 PARTS OF A DAY
360 DAYS DIVIDED 24 HOURS = 15 DAYS
15 DAYS = 15 YEARS = 1 HOUR
1/2 HOUR = 7 1/2 YEARS

Is this the kind of time table you use ?
 
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Good day,

Here's my opinion:

(Rev 8:1 KJV) And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.​

The Aramaic word for “silence” can also mean “veil.”

$tq noun sg. emphatic19
štq, štqˀ (šṯeq, šeṯqā) n.m. silence
1 silence Syr, Man.
2 metaph.: veil Syr.​

In the OT, a veil in the head or face could be a sign of mourning as in:

(2Sa 15:30 KJV) And David went up by the ascent of mount Olivet, and wept as he went up, and had his head covered, and he went barefoot: and all the people that was with him covered every man his head, and they went up, weeping as they went up.

(2Sa 19:1 LITV) And it was announced to Joab, Behold, the king is weeping and mourning over Absalom.
(2Sa 19:4 LITV) And the king had covered his face. Yea, the king cried with a loud voice, My son Absalom! Absalom my son, my son!​

“Veil” as mourning in the opening of the 7th Seal makes sense because of the last passage from the 6th Seal:

Rev 7:14-17 KJV
(14) And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
(15) Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
(16) They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
(17) For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.​

The (symbolic) heavens mourned as a result of the Great Tribulation.

In the Jewish tradition, mourning for the dead is divided into several stages or periods.

"Periods of Mourning

While shiva is a very specific period of mourning, there are stages before and after shiva that have particular significance. In fact, shiva is merely one of many defined periods of grieving within Judaism. Below is a list of the others, each of which is a milestone for a mourner who is grieving the loss of a loved one.

Aninut
The period between death and burial. The mourner during this period is called the ‘onen.’ Before commercial burials, the mourner was fulfilling the needs of the deceased in preparation for burial and therefore was exempt from other religious duties such as morning and evening prayers and putting on tefillin (scrolls containing verses from the Torah).

Avelut
This is the Hebrew word for mourning, which consists of three periods: shiva, sheloshim, and the year of mourning.

Shiva
The traditional seven-day period of mourning, following the burial, when mourners stay at home and receive guests to offer them comfort and participate in daily religious services.

Sheloshim
The 30-day mourning period after the burial and including the first seven days of shiva. It is observed by the immediate family and is designed to allow the mourner to get over the shock of the death. The mourners return to work after the first seven days, but other restrictions remain, such as refraining from attending weddings, dances or parties.

Year of Mourning
When the mourner is mourning a parent, the observances held in sheloshim are extended for one year from the day of burial.

Yahrzeit
The yearly anniversary of a death, which is commemorated with the lighting of a candle that burns for 24 hours and the recitation of the Kaddish prayer."

- Periods of Mourning | Shiva, Jewish Mourning

Of all the stages of mourning mentioned above, only the 7-day period is what I can find in the Bible.

Gen 50:8-10 KJV
(8) And all the house of Joseph, and his brethren, and his father's house: only their little ones, and their flocks, and their herds, they left in the land of Goshen.
(9) And there went up with him both chariots and horsemen: and it was a very great company.
(10) And they came to the threshing floor of Atad, which is beyond Jordan, and there they mourned with a great and very sore lamentation: and he made a mourning for his father seven days.​

1Sa 31:12-13 KJV
(12) All the valiant men arose, and went all night, and took the body of Saul and the bodies of his sons from the wall of Bethshan, and came to Jabesh, and burnt them there.(13) And they took their bones, and buried them under a tree at Jabesh, and fasted seven days.​

A quote about the 7-day period:

"They fasted seven days - In imitation of the mourning for Jacob (marginal reference). They would give full honor to Saul though he was fallen."

- Albert Barnes​

Another quote:

"To testify their sorrow for the public loss of Saul, and of the people of God; and to entreat God’s favour to prevent the utter extinction of his people. But you must not understand this word of fasting strictly, as if they eat nothing for seven whole days; but in a more large and general sense, as it is used both in sacred and profane writers; that they did eat but little, and that seldom, and that but mean food, and drunk only water for that time."

- Matthew Poole​

…for about half an hour

(Rev 8:1 KJV) And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

In Bible prophecies concerning duration of time, the 360-day period is the most used and referenced time frame. If we are also going to use it in determining the actual duration of the Biblical “half an hour,” the computation would be similar to:

360 days / 24 = 15 days ≡ 1 hour

15 days / 2 = 7.5 days ≡ half an hour​

7.5 days is equivalent to “half an hour” using the 360-day prophetic year. Now, isn’t the word “about” in the verse when used to express time means that it could be exact or just near the exact time indicated? John did not hear the time duration, it seems that he felt or experienced it. The Aramaic word "about" in the verse has the definition:

)yk p01 = )yk p --> hyk p
hyk (hayḵ/hēḵ/ˀaḵ) prep. like
1 like Palm, JLAtg, PTA, CPA, Sam, Syr, JBAmb, LJLA, JudSyr. --(a) as is appropriate for Syr. --(b) according to Syr. --(c) ܐܝܟ ܙܢܐ ܕ‏ just as‏ Syr.​

The 7-day period of mourning is very close to the actual duration of “half an hour.”

Why would the "silence in heaven" be mentioned at the opening of the 7th Seal and why would its duration be about the space of half an hour and not of the other periods or durations of mourning quoted above? Maybe, it has something to do with the timing of the 1st Trumpet and I believe this 7-day period is to be converted to years, a year for a day.

Good afternoon...nice to see you...I would say " Welcome to the forum"...but you are not "new" here, but been around a while......but you must be a deep thinker..and take six months or more between posts :D

Bless you....don't rush it. :)
 
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PROPHETICAL TIME
1 DAY FOR A YEAR
360 DAYS = 360 YEARS
30 DAYS = 1 MONTH = 30 YEAR
1 HOUR 24 PARTS OF A DAY
360 DAYS DIVIDED 24 HOURS = 15 DAYS
15 DAYS = 15 YEARS = 1 HOUR
1/2 HOUR = 7 1/2 YEARS

Is this the kind of time table you use ?

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Good afternoon...nice to see you...I would say " Welcome to the forum"...but you are not "new" here, but been around a while......but you must be a deep thinker..and take six months or more between posts :D

Bless you....don't rush it. :)
Good day,

Thank you for the pleasant greetings. Yes, maybe, a deep thinker but a slow one. However, being slow makes one see more of his/her errors. God be with us in our studies.