When to look for the rapture of the church

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CoreIssue

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It's got nothing to do with skill or not. It's got nothing to do with what I think of myself either. What its got everything to do with is your ability to present a rational argument that is backed by scripture. Not your own opinion or the moxie to stand behind empty words and bravado it out. Scripture. What does God's word say on the issue. What can you prove God's word says on the issue. And systematically, you claim you've proved your point, but all you do is throw meaningless ideas around that are not backed by scripture at all. And when you attempt to tear down others and their points, you do so with only big words and insults and no scripture. What do we care that you think we're wrong? If you cannot show us clearly and carefully how GOD'S word proves us wrong, then....honestly, you don't have a leg to stand on. This is a Christian forum, not a Dispensational forum. There is not the idea going into a conversation that your view is automatically correct and everyone else must prove themselves. All ideas must come to the table with God's word as proof to back those ideas...in support of them, or in support of their disagreement of other ideas. If you're only here to claim on your own merit that you are right and others are wrong...because...YOU! Then I've got no time for you.

There is that skill demonstration again.

Trying real hard to talk around things.

Yes is a forum. If most people on here believe in dispensationalism that's just the way the cookie crumbles.
 

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There is that skill demonstration again.

Trying real hard to talk around things.

Yes is a forum. If most people on here believe in dispensationalism that's just the way the cookie crumbles.

If you think that it's a 'sneaky skill' trying to point out that we always need to bring our opinions back to the word of God...then sure...I own up to that. I suppose the question would be...why aren't you on board with it as well? You think I try and "talk around things", but how is pointing out that opinion void of God's word, and therefore backing, is pointless? That would seem rather obvious to me. Are you not here to discuss what God's word says about the end times? Or are you only here to discuss what CoreIssue says about the end times? Based on what you persistently show...it seems easy to guess. And that's not me 'talking around things' or demonstrating any 'skill'. That's just pointing out fact. Anyone who comes to these forums can read back over every thread and see it. That, I think, is your real problem. You make these claims that you've backed all your opinions up with scripture, but the truth (or lack of it) has been left in black and white for all to see.
 

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If you think that it's a 'sneaky skill' trying to point out that we always need to bring our opinions back to the word of God...then sure...I own up to that. I suppose the question would be...why aren't you on board with it as well? You think I try and "talk around things", but how is pointing out that opinion void of God's word, and therefore backing, is pointless? That would seem rather obvious to me. Are you not here to discuss what God's word says about the end times? Or are you only here to discuss what CoreIssue says about the end times? Based on what you persistently show...it seems easy to guess. And that's not me 'talking around things' or demonstrating any 'skill'. That's just pointing out fact. Anyone who comes to these forums can read back over every thread and see it. That, I think, is your real problem. You make these claims that you've backed all your opinions up with scripture, but the truth (or lack of it) has been left in black and white for all to see.

I do bring it back to Bible and the Bible does not agree with you.
 

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I do bring it back to Bible and the Bible does not agree with you.
Seriously? I can't decide if you honestly believe that, which would put you in the solidly deluded camp, or if you're just bluffing wildly. Either way, like I said, all anyone has to do is look back through all your posts and tally up the number of times you put forward your own opinion as "nuff said", rather than "God said".
Let's, for sake of argument, look at just this thread. You posted 49 times, but only used scripture 4 times. Even allowing for the very real fact of conversational back and forth...reasoning and the like that everyone does without scripture...do you honestly suppose you can claim to have fully supported your views from scripture by just posting 4 of them? Those 4 verses not even touching on the bigger "Rapture" issues?
Your claims that you 'bring it back to the bible'...that you support your views with scripture...are unfounded.
 

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Seriously? I can't decide if you honestly believe that, which would put you in the solidly deluded camp, or if you're just bluffing wildly. Either way, like I said, all anyone has to do is look back through all your posts and tally up the number of times you put forward your own opinion as "nuff said", rather than "God said".
Let's, for sake of argument, look at just this thread. You posted 49 times, but only used scripture 4 times. Even allowing for the very real fact of conversational back and forth...reasoning and the like that everyone does without scripture...do you honestly suppose you can claim to have fully supported your views from scripture by just posting 4 of them? Those 4 verses not even touching on the bigger "Rapture" issues?
Your claims that you 'bring it back to the bible'...that you support your views with scripture...are unfounded.

Those videos were made by other people.
 

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At Bible study today I read the following verses from John: -

John 6:40: - 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:44: - 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
In reading these two verses, was Jesus talking about the last day of this present age or was He referring to the last day of the age of the ages.

It is my firm belief that Jesus was referring to the Last day of the age of the ages. So if we are raised up on the last day, then the rapture cannot be until the very last day in light of these two verses.

Shalom
 

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At Bible study today I read the following verses from John: -

John 6:40: - 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:44: - 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
In reading these two verses, was Jesus talking about the last day of this present age or was He referring to the last day of the age of the ages.

It is my firm belief that Jesus was referring to the Last day of the age of the ages. So if we are raised up on the last day, then the rapture cannot be until the very last day in light of these two verses.

Shalom

Last day of the church age at the last trump.

About 1007 years before the end of time.

You aren't leaving any room for the tribulation or MK.
 

Jay Ross

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Last day of the church age at the last trump.

About 1007 years before the end of time.

You aren't leaving any room for the tribulation or MK.

I have not tried to state how many years are involved as you have.

Can you tell me how long an age is? Rev 20 suggests that it is longer than a thousand, but the chapter provided no explicit information as to how many years will be added to the 1,000 years of imprisonment of Satan before the end of the last age of the Ages.

All I was suggesting was that Christ was pointing to the last day when he would raise up those that believed in Him.
 

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I have not tried to state how many years are involved as you have.

Can you tell me how long an age is? Rev 20 suggests that it is longer than a thousand, but the chapter provided no explicit information as to how many years will be added to the 1,000 years of imprisonment of Satan before the end of the last age of the Ages.

All I was suggesting was that Christ was pointing to the last day when he would raise up those that believed in Him.

An age is a time of commonality. It can be very long and it can be very short. The day of the Lord begins at the rapture and ends with the end of time. That is longer than 1000 years.

For that time the Bible does not use the term age.
 

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At Bible study today I read the following verses from John: -

John 6:40: - 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."

John 6:44: - 44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day.
In reading these two verses, was Jesus talking about the last day of this present age or was He referring to the last day of the age of the ages.

It is my firm belief that Jesus was referring to the Last day of the age of the ages. So if we are raised up on the last day, then the rapture cannot be until the very last day in light of these two verses.

Shalom

Hi Jay, thanks for sharing.

I believe Those references are primarily specific to the Jews, who have not yet accepted Christ the Messiah.

Glory to God,
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Hi Jay, thanks for sharing.

I believe Those references are primarily specific to the Jews, who have not yet accepted Christ the Messiah.

Glory to God,
Taken

Are we, as gentiles, not grafted onto the stump of Jesse and as such have the same "blood" going through our veins? By being grafted onto the stump of Jesse, are we not also a pert of Israel?
 

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Are we, as gentiles, not grafted onto the stump of Jesse and as such have the same "blood" going through our veins? By being grafted onto the stump of Jesse, are we not also a pert of Israel?


Matrilineal descent tracing in Judaism has been prominent for centuries; whereas Gentiles Paternally descent trace.

The natural BLOOD of all men IS their Body's natural Life, and without doubt tainted, spiritually impure and subject to Die.

It hinges on Individuals Accepting of the Pure Blood of Jesus, that He Offered, for remission and Forgiveness of an Individuals Sin against God.

And yes, Hebrews/Jews were first offered a WAY to be forgiven of God, and the Gentiles later were offered a WAY to be forgiven and grafted in as Branches to the ROOT.

Glory to God,
Taken