We Don't Know NOTHING ... Because We're Stupid And Lazy

Bobby Jo · Mar 13, 2019

1 Thess 5:2 for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief.

We're told is that "no man knows the day or the hour", which is extrapolated to: No Man Knows The: Hour; Day; Week; Month; Season; Year (1); Decade (10); Score (20); Century (100); Daytona (500); Millennia (1,000). -- It ain't Scriptural, in fact it DEFIES Scripture, but most christians aren't either smart enough or interested enough to call out the church for their lie.

Of course, many HAVE NO CLUE as to Jesus' timing, so they're content presuming that EVERYONE is as far removed from hearing from GOD as they are. And this particularly includes "pastors" who are trained at the Semetery to believe that THEY hear from GOD, and everyone UNDER THEM relies on what the "pastors" convey from GOD.

What a bunch of morons we are to believe the LIES of the church and the Semeteries.

The fact is, WE are INSTRUCTED to be full participants in the operation of the church, -- not just the idiots who open their wallets every week to fund the HIRELING:

1 Cor. 14: 26 What then, brethren? When you come together, each one has a hymn, a lesson, a revelation, a tongue, or an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn; and let one interpret. 28 But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silence in church and speak to himself and to God. 29 Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others weigh what is said. 30 If a revelation is made to another sitting by, let the first be silent.

Or we can be stupid and lazy, -- without any endurance:

Rev. 13:10 ... Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints.
Rev. 14:12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Bobby Jo

Windmillcharge · Mar 14, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
We're told is that "no man knows the day or the hour"

If no one knows the day or the time Jesus is coming again, then those who claim to know are wrong.

Bobby Jo said:
The fact is, WE are INSTRUCTED to be full participants in the operation of the church,

Do you know why the churches abandoned the everyone has a word etc?
Two reasons the main one being the blatent exploitation of the gulable was so bad that even nonchristians thought that people claiming to have a message from God were liars or conmen.

The other reason is far simpler Pauls says at most 2 or 3 people, well in a church of several tens of people there would be many more wanting to give there 'message' and being mortally offended if they don't get to say it.

That said do you fully support your local church?

Bobby Jo · Mar 14, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
If no one knows the day or the time Jesus is coming again, ...

I love when people misquote Scripture to make their point:

Matt. 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows ...

Windmillcharge said:
Do you know why the churches abandoned the everyone has a word etc?

Yep, -- it was when they were too lazy to think for themselves, hear Directly from GOD, and share with others. So they HIRED a HIRELING to do their thinking, to "hear from god" (yeah, small "g"), and to share with others.

Windmillcharge said:
... Pauls says at most 2 or 3 people, ...

When do people ever stop misquoting Scripture? -- Are you DELIBERATELY attempting to mislead Christians? Are you a wolf in sheep's clothing?

Matt. 18:20 For where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there among them.”

Windmillcharge said:
That said do you fully support your local church?

What IDIOT would "fully support" an abomination?!? At some point even Jesus stopped teaching in the Synagogues and went directly to the people.

Bobby Jo

Willie T · Mar 14, 2019

Uh, BJ..... Everyone "misquotes" scripture if it doesn't match the wording that the particular translation we happen to read chose to use.

Bobby Jo · Mar 14, 2019

Willie T said:
... Everyone "misquotes" scripture ...

Do what you want. I'm sure GOD doesn't mind, and won't hold you accountable ...

James 3:1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness. ...

Of course many who profess christianity (small "c") don't know "anything"; but those Christians (capital "C") who FOLLOW Scripture should know when Jesus will return:

1 Thess. 5:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

... and so we CAN know the "week", and most certainly should know the: month; season; year (1); decade (10); score (20); century (100); daytona (500); and millennia (1,000).

BJ

Bobby Jo · Mar 14, 2019

The question remains for those Christians (capital "C") that are pursuing the things of GOD, -- how do we find the season and year of Jesus' return?

There's only one way that I'm familiar with, and that's to use the premise proposed by J.R. Church (now deceased, but historically co-hosted the TV Program "Prophecy In the News") in his book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms".

It's a simple premise, and although many christians (small "c") criticize everything that they are ignorant in, this premise can be EASILY validated both through Scripture and the Historical record. It's just a matter of "trying the spirits", or listening to the scoffers.

Some people are content in their ignorance, but GOD says:

Jeremiah 33:3 Call to me and I will answer you, and will tell you great and hidden things which you have not known.

Perhaps we should listen to what GOD calls us to!

Bobby Jo

Windmillcharge · Mar 15, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
I love when people misquote Scripture to make their point:

You are the one making a fuss about quoting scripture word perfect and you cannot even quote me accurately or your own posts.

If you are listening to God you will know that he wants you, me and every Christian to get their hands dirty working with the local body of believers.

brakelite · Mar 15, 2019

We Don't Know NOTHING ... Because We're Stupid And Lazy …

Or we think we know everything because we are proud and arrogant.

Bobby Jo · Mar 19, 2019

brakelite said:
... Or we think we know everything because we are proud and arrogant.

I don't believe Jesus or the Prophets were Proud and Arrogant. But there were MANY who accused them exactly of that! So did you "try the spirits" or did you simply accuse?

Luke 11:47 Woe to you! for you build the tombs of the prophets whom your fathers killed. 48 So you are witnesses and consent to the deeds of your fathers; for they killed them, and you build their tombs. 49 Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ 50 that the blood of all the prophets, shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation, 51 from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechari′ah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. Yes, I tell you, it shall be required of this generation.

Please consider finding that which you accuse in your own mirror!

Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo · Mar 19, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
You are the one making a fuss about quoting scripture word perfect and you cannot even quote me accurately or your own posts.
...

You bear false witness to your own words per Post #2:

Windmillcharge said:
If no one knows the day or the time Jesus is coming again, ...

Matt. 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows ...

Please correct your false assertion.
Bobby Jo

Windmillcharge · Mar 20, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
You bear false witness to your own words per Post #2:

Matt. 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows ...

Please correct your false assertion.
Bobby Jo

And you do not realise that when someone say I will come at the hour of noon. They mean 12 o'clock.
The difference is meaningless.

bbyrd009 · Mar 20, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
Do what you want. I'm sure GOD doesn't mind, and won't hold you accountable ...

James 3:1 Let not many of you become teachers, my brethren, for you know that we who teach shall be judged with greater strictness. ...

Of course many who profess christianity (small "c") don't know "anything"; but those Christians (capital "C") who FOLLOW Scripture should know when Jesus will return:

1 Thess. 5:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

... and so we CAN know the "week", and most certainly should know the: month; season; year (1); decade (10); score (20); century (100); daytona (500); and millennia (1,000).

BJ

I'm not sure "time" was a material misquote there tho

Harvest 1874 · Mar 20, 2019

When our Lord stated that no man knows the day or the hour he did not imply that no man would ever know. He was merely stating that at that time no man knows, in fact he himself did not yet know for it was not yet revealed to him. (See Mark 13:32)

As for determining the time of our Lord’s return we have the word of the Lord as was quoted: “For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief.” (1 Thess 5:2-4)

And why is this? How is it that some are able to discern the date (the approximate year) of the Lord’s return?

Where have they acquired this knowledge?

The Apostle Peter gives us the answer in 2 Pet 1:19, “We also have the more sure word of prophecy (which reveals the Lord’s parousia, presence), which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts.” (Compare with Prov 4:18)

Unfortunately the vast majority of professed believers have very little understanding of prophecy and what little they do have has been corrupted by doctrines and precepts of men.

And so even as was the case with the fleshly house so too with the nominal spiritual house they both stumble over the very same things both failing in the “day of their visitation”.

Bobby Jo · Mar 20, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
And you do not realise that when someone say I will come at the hour of noon. They mean 12 o'clock.
The difference is meaningless.

What YOU don't realize is that when Jesus returns during a multi-day feast, WE KNOW the FEAST. We don't know which day or hour of the FEAST, but we know the FEAST, and thereby the week, month, season, year (1), decade (10), score (20), century (100), daytona (500), and Millennia (1,000).

Those who don't know Jesus will be caught as a thief in the night, but WE do know when Jesus returns:

1 Thess 5:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

But MANY who profess Christianity (capital "C") are only christians (small "c"), and are in the first group.

Bobby Jo

Bobby Jo · Mar 20, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
I'm not sure "time" was a material misquote there tho

Well, you're certainly entitled to your position, just as Bill said: "It depends on what the meaning of 'is' is". All we need to do is redefine words from what the dictionary (or Scriptures) say, and we can turn a skunk into a rose.

Please enjoy the fragrance!
Bobby Jo

brakelite · Mar 20, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
I don't believe Jesus or the Prophets were Proud and Arrogant.

Neither do I.

Bobby Jo said:
But there were MANY who accused them exactly of that! So did you "try the spirits" or did you simply accuse?

Really? I didn't know that. Who am I accusing and what 'spirits'?

Bobby Jo · Mar 20, 2019

brakelite said:
Who am I accusing and what 'spirits'?

I made an assertion that I have a Scriptural basis for information which you apparently don't have, and you accused me of being "Proud and Arrogant". Of course you failed to ask the five "W's" of what I know, so you didn't "try the spirits", you simply judged me guilty without any information.

And THAT makes you an unrighteous judge!

But that's ok, there are a LOT of "unrighteous judges" in "christianity" (small "c"),
Bobby Jo

Windmillcharge · Mar 21, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
What YOU don't realize is that when Jesus returns during a multi-day feast, WE KNOW the FEAST. We don't know which day or hour of the FEAST, but we know the FEAST, and thereby the week, month, season, year (1), decade (10), score (20), century (100), daytona (500), and Millennia (1,000).

Those who don't know Jesus will be caught as a thief in the night, but WE do know when Jesus returns:

1 Thess 5:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

But MANY who profess Christianity (capital "C") are only christians (small "c"), and are in the first group.

Bobby Jo

It might come as a shock but the only catergory that matters is are you or I a Christian, whether a large C or a small c is used. No where does Jesus or the apostles teach that salvation is dependant on our holding a correct view of the second coming.

Bobby Jo · Mar 21, 2019

Windmillcharge said:
It might come as a shock but the only catergory that matters is are you or I a Christian, whether a large C or a small c is used. ...

Uhhhhhhh, no:

Matt. 7:21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’

Windmillcharge said:
No where does Jesus or the apostles teach that salvation is dependant on our holding a correct view of the second coming.

I never said it did. All I said is that YOU misquoted Scripture by using the term, day or TIME; when it's the day or hour:

Matt. 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows ...

... and I asked you to correct your false assertion that I misquoted you, but that hasn't happened. Go figure!

Bobby Jo

Windmillcharge · Mar 21, 2019

Bobby Jo said:
Uhhhhhhh, no:

Matt. 7:21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’

I never said it did. All I said is that YOU misquoted Scripture by using the term, day or TIME; when it's the day or hour:

Matt. 24:36 “But of that day and hour no one knows ...

... and I asked you to correct your false assertion that I misquoted you, but that hasn't happened. Go figure!

Bobby Jo

And what makes you the arbitor of who is or is not a Christian?

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