Paul said: give thyself to reading of the scriptures

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Sorry but I am not conversant with foreign languages.
Ah well but see I might have said the same thing when you deemed Paul a recipient of Roman "grace," yes? I mean that might be true, but fwiw I suggest that there is a conundrum there, being glided over

But we were talking about the def of "Scripture," by way of explanation, and despite that you chose to respond with "grace," so I was just trying to keep up!

And since you mentioned um "foreign languages" ill say that I learned if you stop listening to the words the meaning becomes clear, as hard as that maybe is to believe. Meant for IRL, and ppl who still emote tho, dunno if that works so well with Ish
 

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Love believes all things (doctrines)

which might be more a commentary on "believes" than doctrines, I dunno, but there you go

Have to ask...love believeth all things ...
1 Corinthians 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

You said love believeth all (doctrines)? To mean love believeth all things is a negative rather than a positive? Or have I misunderstood. Jesus Christ didnt believe all doctrines of man but was lead only by one John 7:16-17
[16] Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. [17] If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Titus 2:10
[10] Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
 

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Have to ask...love believeth all things ...
1 Corinthians 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

You said love believeth all (doctrines)? To mean love believeth all things is a negative rather than a positive? Or have I misunderstood.
well imo there is a commentary on "belief" (as contrasted with faith) and likely also a commentary on other people's beliefs in there, which might be further understood via stay in one house and eat what they give you, and the more easily seen all things to all people, and even one hold one day sacred, another esteems all days alike, and many other refs are coming to mind now
Jesus Christ didnt believe all doctrines of man but was lead only by one John 7:16-17
[16] Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. [17] If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.

Titus 2:10
[10] Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.
imo now you have invoked God's doctrine, whereas maybe before the focus was on man's doctrine? But I guess regardless Love believes all things... right, which is actually not a good translation imo, as faith is being invoked there and not belief, I guess often xlated more like "faith never grows weary" which also does not seem quite right there, prolly time I updated my grasp of the passage tbh. That might be a better perception though?
 
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"I believe that you believe that, and I can respect that as long as I have no reason not to" perhaps.

Yeah that is a tough one. Get what you saying though, Maybe. 1 Corinthians 8:11-12 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
 
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Yeah that is a tough one. Get what you saying though, Maybe. 1 Corinthians 8:11-12 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
wherein we have our socially acceptable def of "brother" that likely needs help...ha we even have this weird kind of um functional cliche' where we might introduce ourselves to someone by choosing a label we feel would most irritate them (or worse, least irritate them). I could put that in psychobabble if anyone wants to search it, but it amounts to a check to see if one is phobic
 
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Ah well but see I might have said the same thing when you deemed Paul a recipient of Roman "grace," yes? I mean that might be true, but fwiw I suggest that there is a conundrum there, being glided over

But we were talking about the def of "Scripture," by way of explanation, and despite that you chose to respond with "grace," so I was just trying to keep up!

And since you mentioned um "foreign languages" ill say that I learned if you stop listening to the words the meaning becomes clear, as hard as that maybe is to believe. Meant for IRL, and ppl who still emote tho, dunno if that works so well with Ish

fwiw, def, mentioned um, ill say, IRL, ppl, emote tho, Ish. Please translate.
 

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fwiw, def, mentioned um, ill say, IRL, ppl, emote tho, Ish. Please translate.
Context , google, or even "say aloud" if you have that in your Rclick should be able to help you there...except maybe for ish, which is a Scriptural term, that I hesitate to define for you anyway.

in general those will almost always be like "connectors" anyway, iow "but fwiw I suggest..." means the same thing even if you ignore the "for what it's worth"
 

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Context , google, or even "say aloud" if you have that in your Rclick should be able to help you there...except maybe for ish, which is a Scriptural term, that I hesitate to define for you anyway.

in general those will almost always be like "connectors" anyway, iow "but fwiw I suggest..." means the same thing even if you ignore the "for what it's worth"
Thank you for deciphering some of the strange phrases. Maybe you could decipher the rest.
 

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And, to whom was he speaking? It was Timothy, not you or me. I know three quarters of a church full of people I would hate to have to sit and listen to them TRYING to struggle through publicly reading the Bible aloud.
Romans 12:3-8
 

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If Paul wrote a letter to Timothy or one of the church groups in towns hundreds of miles apart, why in the world would we assume anyone else had that letter?
Hi Willie,

Historically we know that all the letters from the Apostles (what we call the NT) eventually made it to ALL Christians worldwide soooo eventually EVERYONE “else had that lettter”. Did Paul KNOW that his letter(s) to Timothy would be read to all Churches? Since in them he gave instructions to all Christians (1 Timothy 2:8 is a good place to start as evidence of this) then it seems likely that he would assume that everyone else would read and ADHERE to his letters.

The problem that arose was that different Churches were reading different letters that they all considered “scripture”. The book of Jubile, Epistle of Barnabas, Shepherd of Hermas, Paul's Epistle to the Laodicean, 1 and 2 Clement were all read at different Churches in different parts of the Christian world. All of the current NT letters were generally accepted.

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hmm, imo the fact that we have it today answers that? Or at least I am persuaded to believe that Paul was quite well known and respected in his day, ergo that his correspondence would be disseminated?

or to maybe rephrase, "why in the world do we have so many faithful copies of this letter?"
Starting at 1 Timothy 2:8 read how Paul expected his letter to be read by or to all men. I suspect he knew that “his correspondence would be disseminated”.

We have many faithful copies of the letter to Timothy because The Church decided it was inspired and the letters from Clement and Barnabas and Hermès etc. as not inspired so they DIDN’T make it into the Bible even though they were read at many different Churches in the Early Church as inspired.


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so they DIDN’T make it into the Bible even though they were read at many different Churches in the Early Church as inspired
interesting, if you have any support for this part? Tbh I'm pretty sure Paul had a diff def of Scripture than we do though, and a better method for verifying it too. His comment was apparently actually "all writing is given for" etcetc
 

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interesting, if you have any support for this part? Tbh I'm pretty sure Paul had a diff def of Scripture than we do though, and a better method for verifying it too. His comment was apparently actually "all writing is given for" etcetc
I do have support for it. It’s called Christian History and it can easily be googled or read in a book.

You don’t have the thirst to learn, only to bloviate your opinions; hence the reason you regularly put “IMO” in so many of your post’s. Here is a starting point for you to learn your own Christian history.

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/515144/10294183/1295394820537/Books+That+Didnt+Make+the

https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Scriptures-Books-that-Testament/dp/0195182502/ref=nodl_

To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant!!
 

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I do have support for it. It’s called Christian History and it can easily be googled or read in a book.

You don’t have the thirst to learn, only to bloviate your opinions; hence the reason you regularly put “IMO” in so many of your post’s. Here is a starting point for you to learn your own Christian history.

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/515144/10294183/1295394820537/Books+That+Didnt+Make+the

https://www.amazon.com/Lost-Scriptures-Books-that-Testament/dp/0195182502/ref=nodl_

To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant!!
ah no offense but if you don't have Scripture for it I'm not too interested, but ty. I am led to other writings, but by a diff path that I have kinda learned a hard way. Any pertinent quotes might support your case a little though maybe. I Read the Erhman book, not too bad for a determinist huh. But some bad guesses too I guess, at least I recall not finishing it, so iow I was prolly feeling manipulated reading it. too.
 
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