The Jews Must Admit Jesus Before He Can Return?

Davy · Mar 20, 2019

There's a false doctrine going around among some Messianic circles today that is obvious propaganda against them from some insider crept in unaware. The false doctrine is an idea loosely based on what our Lord Jesus said to the scribes and Pharisees hypocrites at the end of Matthew 23...

Matt 23:37-39
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, 'Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.'
KJV

Some false prophet has turned what Jesus said there (in red) into an idea that those orthodox unbelieving Jews must believe on Yeshua BEFORE He can return! This is actually the very opposite of what God's Word declares about the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem just prior to our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming.

Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.

This was when our Lord Jesus was carrying His cross up to be crucified. These people and women wept for Him as He went.

28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'

Then our Lord turned to those "Daughters of Jerusalem" (orthodox Jews), and said to weep for themselves, and for their children. That because the days will come, when they will say that, "Blessed are the barren...", which is a quote from Isaiah 54 where God gave a parable of the chaste faithful that remain barren waiting on Him vs. the spiritual harlot found with child by worshiping another instead.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us'."
KJV

If you don't understand that Isaiah 54 parable about the symbolic barren woman, you should, because our Lord Jesus used the idea also in The Gospel (Matt.25 about the virgins), and Apostle Paul used it in 2 Cor.11 in wanting to present us to Christ as "a chaste virgin".

Anyway, the point of our Lord's Message there to the "Daughters of Jerusalem" is that when He returns, and they learn how they had played the spiritual harlot in the end with the coming Antichrist, not remaining spiritually chaste and symbolically barren, then they will be in shame and wish for the mountains to "Fall on us;", and for the hills to "Cover us."

Does that sound like those unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem in the last days just prior to Christ's return will be believers on Him??? No, it doesn't, but just the opposite based on what our Lord Jesus said about their being deceived in the above Luke 23 Scripture.

The trap for Messianic Jews is this - the orthodox unbelieving Jews are still looking for the coming of Messiah. They rejected Yeshua of Nazareth as The Messiah. The coming Antichrist is coming to Jerusalem first, to proclaim himself as The Messiah. So does that mean the unbelieving Jews will believe on Yeshua at that time? Absolutely not! Just the opposite; the unbelieving Jews will accept that false-Messiah as our True Lord Yeshua, thinking the false one will be the true Messiah. And when Yeshua does... appear, they will know they messed up, and will want for the mountains and hills to fall on them because of their shame. This is why Zechariah 12 shows they will mourn for Jesus when He does appear.

Mike Dwight · Mar 20, 2019

Wow, that's not right. You say we need to blame today, anybody carrying the name Jew today! They were third burned alive, half fled to the United States, half made a new start in Israel, next on, Who , Can, Blame the Jews. So we got that he separated and that Christians believe that they have to change their practices or hypocrisies, that's what it says. Good thing Jesus won along a good section of Jewish Scholars to finish up his writings.

ScottA · Mar 20, 2019

@Davy

The problem with that is Jesus has already come for the house of Israel...and "It is finished." That is why He also said, "Behold, I come quickly", meaning "soon."

Keraz · Mar 20, 2019

What people fail to read and understand, is that in the next prophesied event, all the apostate, atheistic, LGBT and Satan worshipping people will be gone. Isaiah 66:15-17, +
The holy Land and the entire Middle East will be burned and depopulated. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5 and over 100 other scriptures.

The whole false teaching of a Jewish redemption when Jesus Returns, is tied to, and is another lie to support the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, while the Jews pass thru the Great Tribulation. The Bible says nothing of the kind, the Jews have had nearly 2000 years to accept Jesus, why should God ever forgive them? Prophecy is clear: they will be wiped out. Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18 & 12:14, Romans 9:27

Enoch111 · Mar 21, 2019

Davy said:
Some false prophet has turned what Jesus said there (in red) into an idea that those orthodox unbelieving Jews must believe on Yeshua BEFORE He can return! This is actually the very opposite of what God's Word declares about the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem just prior to our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming.

You are right, and that is absolutely false. It is the very opposite of what we see in Scripture.

The Second Coming of Christ is not contingent upon unbelieving Jews. In fact they will weep and wail and mourn because He will be coming to judge the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked.

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (Rev 1:7)

"They also which pierced Him" is a reference to Jews, since God held the Jews responsible for the crucifixion of Christ through the Romans.

And it is true that since the Orthodox Jews are waiting for their "true" Messiah, and the Antichrist will appear before the Second Coming, then a large number will fall for the deception. The time for all Jews to be saved in now. But they must not isolate themselves from other Christians by becoming Messsianic Jews. It should be enough for them to say that they are Hebrew Christians.

Davy · Mar 21, 2019

Mike Dwight said:
Wow, that's not right. You say we need to blame today, anybody carrying the name Jew today! They were third burned alive, half fled to the United States, half made a new start in Israel, next on, Who , Can, Blame the Jews. So we got that he separated and that Christians believe that they have to change their practices or hypocrisies, that's what it says. Good thing Jesus won along a good section of Jewish Scholars to finish up his writings.

You don't know what I said, obviously, your descending with your "blame" rhetoric.

Davy · Mar 21, 2019

ScottA said:
@Davy

The problem with that is Jesus has already come for the house of Israel...and "It is finished." That is why He also said, "Behold, I come quickly", meaning "soon."

Hardly.

Davy · Mar 21, 2019

Keraz said:
....
The whole false teaching of a Jewish redemption when Jesus Returns, is tied to, and is another lie to support the 'rapture to heaven' of the Church, while the Jews pass thru the Great Tribulation. The Bible says nothing of the kind, the Jews have had nearly 2000 years to accept Jesus, why should God ever forgive them? Prophecy is clear: they will be wiped out. Isaiah 22:14, Jeremiah 10:18 & 12:14, Romans 9:27

My point in the OP is about a FALSE Jewish redemption now, BEFORE Jesus has returned. There will be a Jewish redemption for the unbelievers, but in shame. That's why Jesus said they will want for the mountains and hills to fall on them, i.e., because of shame.

I think you're concentrating on God's consuming fire event of 2 Pet.3 too much. That event is going to end this flesh world, and destroy 'certain' ones, like the 7,000 of Rev.11, but the rest of us still alive on earth, it will simply reveal our "spiritual body" on earth, casting off our flesh. So even the unbelieving Jews and unbelieving nations will still... be here on earth on that day when Jesus returns.

And Zechariah 12 is specific that those in Jerusalem will look upon Jesus Whom they pierced and will mourn for Him as one who mourns for an only son.

Zech 12:9-14
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
KJV

ScottA · Mar 21, 2019

Davy said:
Hardly.

Quotable report of personal lack of belief in what is written. Very telling.

Davy · Mar 21, 2019

Some apparently still struggle with what Apostle Paul said about God having blinded his brethren the Jews until the fullness of the Gentiles is done, with their being saved in final...

Rom 11:25-32
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Firstly it's important to recognize that Paul showed in that chapter about his brethren the Jews having been spiritually blinded to The Gospel by our Heavenly Father Himself. In other words, they rejected Jesus because God blinded their hearts and minds away from The Gospel. And Paul says there it will remain that way until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in, (and that won't be completed until the day of Christ's second coming).

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is My covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

Is our Heavenly Father able to un-blind their hearts and minds? Yes, since He is Who blinded them away from The Gospel in the first place, and Apostle Paul here is giving us the reason... WHY our Heavenly Father blinded them! So this quote from Isaiah will... come true for all Jews that believe on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ (Messiah). Once their blindness is removed they will still... have to believe on Jesus, no mistaking that. I believe the majority of them will, and it is also my hope.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
KJV

There it is, God's Purpose for having blinded the Jews away from The Gospel; it was so we Gentiles... might obtain mercy through their unbelief; and that through our mercy... they also shall obtain mercy!

bbyrd009 · Mar 21, 2019

Return to Me, and I will return to you

bbyrd009 · Mar 21, 2019

Davy said:
Is our Heavenly Father able to un-blind their hearts and minds?

or more importantly ours?

n2thelight · Mar 27, 2019

Mike Dwight said:
Wow, that's not right. You say we need to blame today, anybody carrying the name Jew today! They were third burned alive, half fled to the United States, half made a new start in Israel, next on, Who , Can, Blame the Jews. So we got that he separated and that Christians believe that they have to change their practices or hypocrisies, that's what it says. Good thing Jesus won along a good section of Jewish Scholars to finish up his writings.

You not understanding ,it's those that call themselves Jew's but are not.Two baskets returned to that nation state called Israel,on a deeper note,it should had been called Judah..

Most over in that state don't even believe in Christ.

n2thelight · Mar 27, 2019

You all are focusing on the word Jew,is that all you'll got from the OP?
Do you not realize that satan comes first?

That was the point of the OP!!!!

Nobody not a one on this earth will be saved just because.
Except for the elect,whom were saved before the foundation of the world.

n2thelight · Mar 27, 2019

Let's go present time,do see on the new's their plans to build a temple,do tell who do you think it's for?It dang sure aint for Christ.
It's for their father the devil!!!!!!!!!!

And please don't twist my words and accuse me of being antisemetic as I clearly stated what says the scriptures,so again let me be clear

THOSE THAT CALL THEMSELVES JEWS BUT ARE NOT!!!!!!

Taken · Mar 27, 2019

Davy said:
Some false prophet has turned what Jesus said there (in red) into an idea that those orthodox unbelieving Jews must believe on Yeshua BEFORE He can return! This is actually the very opposite of what God's Word declares about the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem just prior to our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming.

Disagree, that that is FALSE.

He whom Came down from Heaven, To Earth, was "JESUS".

He whom Shall return To Earth, is "JESUS".

JESUS, Shall return To Earth, After, "all" that are "sealed unto Thee Lord God, have been Lifted Up;
/Divided And Separated/
From;
Those who are "not sealed unto Thee Lord God".

What is Lifted up To Jesus, in the Clouds, is a mans, body, soul, spirit. Jesus' Church.

What is Lifted up To God, in the Heavens, is a mans soul and spirit. Gods People.

The Lifting "UP", is purposed to "Remove", the Sealed, From Experiencing "portions" of Gods Great Tribulation.

The "requirement" for Any man, to "NOT" experience ANY portion of Gods "WRATH", is for Any man, TO BE, "prepared in Christ".
Such man "Prepared", wholly, body, soul, spirit.

Those "who" are not "Prepared", do experience portions of the end days Tribulation.
IF, and When, Any Man, becomes "Prepared", during the end days Tribulation, The end days WRATH, they are experiencing, CEASES.

Every day, men are becoming Fully Prepared; Body, soul, spirit...In, By, Through Christ.

^ That, is most prevelant to Apply to Gentiles.

In the End days Tribulation, there is a series of severity of Wrath revealed;
7 Seals "opened" that reveals Wrath;
7 Trumpets "sounded" that reveals Wrath,
7 Vials "poured out" that reveals Wrath.

^ During any portion of The "seals / trumpts" revealings,
Jews, Gentiles alike will Be On Earth, subjected to Those Wraths.

^ During any portion of Those (seals / trumpets) Wraths, Jews, Gentiles alike will Be "individually" choosing to Accept God, Accept Christ as their Savior...or not.

The "Vials" Wrath, will effect All those left on Earth, who:
Maintained their Rejection of God, of the Lord Jesus...
And
Those who Chose to Accept Allegience to the Beast, with his mark.

Point Being. The Jews primarily (not all), have kept Belief and Faith IN God, but have Rejected Jesus as their Christ Messiah Savior.

We do not have A long History or Presence of Jews Teaching Gentiles About God and their Messiah.

Nor do we have A long History or Presence of Gentiles Teaching Jews About Christ the Messiah.

Any Gentile who Has Accepted thee Lord God, is Prepared and Sealed unto thee Lord God, and not subject to end days Wrath of the Lamb, or end days Wrath of God.

Any Jew who Has Accepted thee Lord God, is Prepared and Sealed unto thee Lord God.
(They calling themselves Messanic Jews).

Thee Lord God, has Not forgotten the Jews.
Scripture Reveals, WHEN The Lord God, will Send "To" the Jews Teachers to Teach the Jews That Jesus IS their Christ Messiah...

And according to Scripture...
That ^ is during the Seals portion of the end days Tribulation.

Jesus Does NOT "Return" To Earth "During" the end days sequences of Tribulation.

Glory to God,
Taken

Keraz · Mar 28, 2019

Children of the Promise:
Romans 9 to 11 proves the broken off branches who remain in unbelief are not true Israelites:
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named”.

This means that it is not the ethnic children who are God’s people, but the children of the promise, who have faith in Him, who are counted as Abrahams descendants.
The statement “For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” clearly denotes that some are ethnic Israel, the remnant of verse 29. But the rest are shown as those who sought righteousness by attempting to keep the Law; verses 30-33.

As indeed He says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.' And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.’
Hosea prophesied of the coming time the descendants of the ten northern tribes, the nation of Israel/Ephraim, would be restored as God’s covenant people once more, which is precisely what the inauguration of the New Covenant accomplishes.

Hebrews 8:7-8 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…
The inauguration of the new covenant was accomplished by the blood of Christ, which also released Judah and the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes from the marriage contract of the Old Covenant. Romans 7:1-4

While Judah, for the most part, rejected Christ, Peter testifies of his ordained success with the elect exiles of the dispersion, Ephraim/Israel.

1 Peter1:1-12, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia and Bithynia, chosen in the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

Paul, the Apostle to the people called Gentiles, but who are actually the scattered dispersion of Israel, John 7:35, reveals they are fellow heirs in Christ, part of the biological descendants of Abraham. The offspring or ‘seed’, by which the gentiles were prophesied to be blessed, was and is being fulfilled by the descendants of Ephraim/Israel of which Zechariah prophesied:

Zechariah 10:7-12 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yes, their children shall see it, and be glad; their hearts shall rejoice in the Lord. I will call for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall rear their children, then march into and occupy the holy land.

What happened: God called Ephraim and gathered them in Christ and then scattered them in the world to proclaim the Gospel to the nations, which Judah was obviously not part of. The plan for Ephraim is the source of the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13. Proved by how the Western peoples have sent out missionaries and translated the Bible into most languages.

Isaiah 49:1-26 Listen to Me you peoples far distant,...... But Zion [the Land] said: The Lord has forsaken me, and my Lord has forgotten me…. The children which you will have, after you have lost the former ones, shall say to you: This place is too small for us, give us more space to dwell . Then you will say to yourself: Who has begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am alone and desolate, and where have they come from? Thus says the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders, for they shall not be ashamed that have faith in Me.

Hebrews 12:22-24 But you have come unto mount Zion......
We Christians are the latter children of Zion, of Ephraim, the true Israelites of God.

Davy · Mar 29, 2019

Taken said:
Disagree, that that is FALSE.

He whom Came down from Heaven, To Earth, was "JESUS".

He whom Shall return To Earth, is "JESUS".

JESUS, Shall return To Earth, After, "all" that are "sealed unto Thee Lord God, have been Lifted Up;
/Divided And Separated/
From;
Those who are "not sealed unto Thee Lord God".

What is Lifted up To Jesus, in the Clouds, is a mans, body, soul, spirit. Jesus' Church.

What is Lifted up To God, in the Heavens, is a mans soul and spirit. Gods People.
....

Glory to God,
Taken

Pretty much totally... out of the context of the subject of discussion of this thread. The topic of the OP is not about when Jesus returns. It's about a false idea some say that unbelieving Jews must first accept Jesus (Yeshua) before... He can come.

Read the OP instead of going off on a tangent.

Davy · Mar 29, 2019

Keraz said:
Children of the Promise:
Romans 9 to 11 proves the broken off branches who remain in unbelief are not true Israelites:
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be named”.

This means that it is not the ethnic children who are God’s people, but the children of the promise, who have faith in Him, who are counted as Abrahams descendants.
The statement “For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel” clearly denotes that some are ethnic Israel, the remnant of verse 29. But the rest are shown as those who sought righteousness by attempting to keep the Law; verses 30-33.

Very true, and the basis of The Gospel, i.e., belief on the Promise to Abraham by Faith, and not of works. That Promise is The Gospel of Jesus Christ first given through Abraham, as Apostle Paul showed in Galatians 3. All believers on the Promise, regardless of birth, are heirs with Abraham! This means... the Kingdom of Israel is about the Promise of Salvation by Faith. It's because that is what the name 'Israel' represents.

As indeed He says in Hosea, "Those who were not my people I will call 'my people,' and her who was not beloved I will call 'beloved.' And in the very place where it was said to them, 'You are not my people,' there they will be called 'sons of the living God.’
Hosea prophesied of the coming time the descendants of the ten northern tribes, the nation of Israel/Ephraim, would be restored as God’s covenant people once more, which is precisely what the inauguration of the New Covenant accomplishes.

Apostle Paul quoted that from Hosea in Romans 9 when speaking to Gentile Roman believers. Some lost tribe Israelites may have been among those Romans, but Paul was speaking that to the Church about The Gospel to all believers, regardless of birth. Paul quoting that from Hosea, which was originally only written to the ten tribes under Ephraim, reveals how Christ moved His Kingdom of Israel to His Church of believers, as He said His kingdom would be given to another 'nation' that would produce its fruit (Matt.21). That is about His Church = His Kingdom of Israel.

Hebrews 8:7-8 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second. For he finds fault with them when he says: "Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…
The inauguration of the new covenant was accomplished by the blood of Christ, which also released Judah and the House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes from the marriage contract of the Old Covenant. Romans 7:1-4

While Judah, for the most part, rejected Christ, Peter testifies of his ordained success with the elect exiles of the dispersion, Ephraim/Israel.

1 Peter1:1-12, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia and Bithynia, chosen in the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

Very true. Not only were the ten lost tribes scattered and would become as Gentiles in new lands, but the majority of the house of Judah after the 70 captivity to Babylon chose to stay there, and then were further scattered through the countries like the ten tribes were. The big difference though, is that the Jews of the scattered house of Judah kept their heritage as part of Israel, while the ten lost tribes did not. Thus the New Covenant was established, in new lands, with both the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Only a small remnant of unbelieving Jews remained in Jerusalem (per God's promise in 1 Kings 11), and scattered Jews outside the holy land (Diaspora) which still reject Christ.

Paul, the Apostle to the people called Gentiles, but who are actually the scattered dispersion of Israel, John 7:35, reveals they are fellow heirs in Christ, part of the biological descendants of Abraham. The offspring or ‘seed’, by which the gentiles were prophesied to be blessed, was and is being fulfilled by the descendants of Ephraim/Israel of which Zechariah prophesied:

Zechariah 10:7-12 And they of Ephraim shall be like a mighty man, and their heart shall rejoice as through wine: yes, their children shall see it, and be glad; their hearts shall rejoice in the Lord. I will call for them, and gather them; for I have redeemed them: and they shall increase as they have increased. And I will sow them among the people: and they shall remember me in far countries; and they shall rear their children, then march into and occupy the holy land.

What happened: God called Ephraim and gathered them in Christ and then scattered them in the world to proclaim the Gospel to the nations, which Judah was obviously not part of. The plan for Ephraim is the source of the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matthew 13. Proved by how the Western peoples have sent out missionaries and translated the Bible into most languages.
....

Some of us in the Christian West are descendants of the lost northern ten tribes of the house of Israel. Most of us don't have a clue about that heritage and think we all are Gentiles. But even lost Israelites of the ten tribes are scattered among Gentiles, and both make up Christ's Church, along with many converted Jews to Christ Jesus. I know Jewish Christians that have kept their heritage but have been active in the Protestant Church. We cannot leave them out of the history of the Christian Church.

Taken · Mar 29, 2019

Davy said:
Pretty much totally... out of the context of the subject of discussion of this thread. The topic of the OP is not about when Jesus returns. It's about a false idea some say that unbelieving Jews must first accept Jesus (Yeshua) before... He can come.

Read the OP instead of going off on a tangent.

The OP was a QUESTION.

OP -->
The Jews must admit Jesus Before HE CAN RETURN ?

In your opening statement You introduced your own Belief regarding the TIMING of Jesus' RETURN, with expressive emphasis!

Some false prophet has turned what Jesus said there (in red) into an idea that those orthodox unbelieving Jews must believe on Yeshua BEFORE He can return!

Read the OP instead of going off on a tangent.

No, I did not go off on a tangent as you accuse!

If you do not want others input, do not ask questions.

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