Easter ? What are we celebrating?

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 21, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
The fact that Mark 15 states that this took place on the Day of Preparation is clear evidence that the sun had NOT set. YOU may not be interested in details, but I assure you - the Jews WERE.

As for your rejection of the Sunday Resurrection - the mere fact that the Early Church referred to the FIRST day of the week (Sunday) as "The Lord's Day" - the day He rose (Matt. 28:1, Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, John 20:1) should have also clued you in, Einstein.

"'The fact that Mark 15 states that this took place…’”

What was “‘this’” – before you call it a “‘fact’”, chum!

“‘This’” you say was Jesus' Crucifixion AND Burial which according to you happened the same day as the Crucifixion before sunset.
But “‘this’” is neither in the Text. “‘This’” according to the Text was "EVENING ALREADY COME". The Crucifixion HAD happened before "EVENING ALREADY COME"; the Burial had not taken place yet, it 'still' had to follow after "EVENING ALREADY COME", because the first thing that was going to take place was that which “the Jews went to ask Pilate to have the crosses and crucified removed because on the sabbath THAT DAY was great-day-of-sabbath-of” their prospective passover- "sabbath day". This was when first and before Joseph, the Jews, made their ‘request’ when “‘…the evening "had come" – but .. parenthetically .. (EVENING) was STILL (in process on) the day BEFORE the Sabbath (Day of Preparation).’”

That’s why the Jews asked – TO PREVENT the crosses to stay next daylight (Deuteronomy 21:23). They did not ask to have the crosses removed after the crucified already would have hung the whole day of their great passover sabbath day -- pure silliness! and “‘clear evidence’” that the sun HAD set AFTER the “Day of Preparation OF THE PASSOVER” on the day of the Crucifixion before!
You may not be interested in details, but GOD is because Jesus illustrating and proving his Divinity fulfilled every Word of God through the prophets.

If only you had the courage of being honest with yourself and the Word of God … if only … sigh my soul. . .

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 21, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
Apparently, YOU haven't triumphed over abject ignorance and raging paranoia . . .

So haven't you?

marksman · Mar 21, 2019

historyb said:
Where in Scripture does it say that everything must be or is in Scripture?

Now answer the question.

marksman · Mar 21, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Keep searching and you will find it in other verses.

As expected, not in the verse so you do not have a leg to stand on. It is of your own making, not scripture.

I doubt it is other verses, as well as I have already done a thorough study of the subject so I know what they say. A classic case of making the Bible fit your doctrine rather than your doctrine fitting the bible.

marksman · Mar 21, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
Where does it say in Scripture to celebrate your birthday?
Where does it say in Scripture to celebrate your wedding anniversary??
Where does it say in Scripture to celebrate graduating college??
Where does it say in Scripture to celebrate getting a new job??
Where does it say in Scripture to celebrate your retirement??
Where does it say in Scripture to celebrate paying off your mortgage??
Where does it say in Scripture how to handle a job interview??

This is an asinine argument.

The Bible isn't a meticulous handbook, telling us EVERYTHING that we should do and EVERYTHING we should not do. We celebrate the Resurrection of our Lord because it is THE pivotal event of our faith.

If Christ DIDN'T rise from the dead - then we are a bunch of suckers (1 Cor. 15:14) . . .

Now answer the question.

BreadOfLife · Mar 21, 2019

marksman said:
Now answer the question.

I see you completely failed to understand the point.

Since YOU couldn't show me where Scripture said ANY of what I asked YOU - why should I show YOU where it says to celebrate the Resurrection?
Better yet - why wouldn't you celebrate the Resurrection, which is THE pivotal point of the Christian faith??

SO - I'll be more than happy to answer YOUR question - just as soon as you address ANY one of mine.
Also - when you can show us where the Bible does it say that everything we do MUST be in the Bible . . .

BreadOfLife · Mar 21, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
So haven't you?

I'm not the one obsessing over artistic depictions of the Crucifixion . . .

BreadOfLife · Mar 21, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
"'The fact that Mark 15 states that this took place…’”

What was “‘this’” – before you call it a “‘fact’”, chum!

“‘This’” you say was Jesus' Crucifixion AND Burial which according to you happened the same day as the Crucifixion before sunset.
But “‘this’” is neither in the Text. “‘This’” according to the Text was "EVENING ALREADY COME". The Crucifixion HAD happened before "EVENING ALREADY COME"; the Burial had not taken place yet, it 'still' had to follow after "EVENING ALREADY COME", because the first thing that was going to take place was that which “the Jews went to ask Pilate to have the crosses and crucified removed because on the sabbath THAT DAY was great-day-of-sabbath-of” their prospective passover- "sabbath day". This was when first and before Joseph, the Jews, made their ‘request’ when “‘…the evening "had come" – but .. parenthetically .. (EVENING) was STILL (in process on) the day BEFORE the Sabbath (Day of Preparation).’”

That’s why the Jews asked – TO PREVENT the crosses to stay next daylight (Deuteronomy 21:23). They did not ask to have the crosses removed after the crucified already would have hung the whole day of their great passover sabbath day -- pure silliness! and “‘clear evidence’” that the sun HAD set AFTER the “Day of Preparation OF THE PASSOVER” on the day of the Crucifixion before!
You may not be interested in details, but GOD is because Jesus illustrating and proving his Divinity fulfilled every Word of God through the prophets.

If only you had the courage of being honest with yourself and the Word of God … if only … sigh my soul. . .

And this is ALWAYS the problem with you ignorant anti-Catholics.
You DON'T understand Scripture because you DON'T read the Scriptures in CONTEXT. Instead, you waste time pitting one verse against another - as IF the Holy Spirit makes mistakes.

Here are ALL of the accounts of the burial of Christ - in CONTEXT with one another.
They clearly show that He was buried on the Day of Preparation, which is BEFORE sunset . . .

Matt. 27:57, 62-63
As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus.
The next day, THE ONE AFTER PREPARATION DAY, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. “Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’

Mark 15:42
It was PREPARATION DAY (that is, the day before the Sabbath).

Luke 23:54
It was PREPARATION DAY, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

John 19:42
Because it was the JEWSIH DAY OF PREPARATION and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

Finally, Einstein - the Greek word used here for "Evening" is Ὀψίας (opsias), which is defined in Strong's Greek Concordance as:

2a) from 3:00 to 6:00
2b) from 6:00 to the beginning of night.

I suggest you do your HOMEWORK next time instead of obsessing over idiotic minutia for which you have NO CASE . . .

Enoch111 · Mar 21, 2019

marksman said:
As expected, not in the verse so you do not have a leg to stand on. It is of your own making, not scripture.

I doubt it is other verses, as well as I have already done a thorough study of the subject so I know what they say. A classic case of making the Bible fit your doctrine rather than your doctrine fitting the bible.

Your research was incomplete as these verses will show. The first day of the week is called "Sunday" but for Christians who know better it is "the Lord's Day":

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. (Acts 20:7)

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. (1 Cor 16:1,2)

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11)

TESTIMONY OF JUSTIN MARTYR (2nd CENTURY)
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.

Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons.

And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.

For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 21, 2019

marksman said:
Now answer the question.

Jesus the Word of God said one shall live from every word of God, referring to the Scriptures referring to Him. If you do not find that covering everything, then so be it.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 21, 2019

Enoch111 said:
Your research was incomplete as these verses will show. The first day of the week is called "Sunday" but for Christians who know better it is "the Lord's Day":

And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. (Acts 20:7)

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. (1 Cor 16:1,2)

I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea. (Rev 1:10,11)

TESTIMONY OF JUSTIN MARTYR (2nd CENTURY)
And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.

Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons.

And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need.

But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead.

For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.

All the classic bull for the umpteenth time deader than ever. Because Justin Corrupter started it all they sainted the guy.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 21, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
And this is ALWAYS the problem with you ignorant anti-Catholics.
You DON'T understand Scripture because you DON'T read the Scriptures in CONTEXT. Instead, you waste time pitting one verse against another - as IF the Holy Spirit makes mistakes.

Here are ALL of the accounts of the burial of Christ - in CONTEXT with one another.
They clearly show that He was buried on the Day of Preparation, which is BEFORE sunset . . .

Matt. 27:57, 62-63
As evening approached, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who had himself become a disciple of Jesus.
The next day, THE ONE AFTER PREPARATION DAY, the chief priests and the Pharisees went to Pilate. “Sir,” they said, “we remember that while he was still alive that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise again.’

Mark 15:42
It was PREPARATION DAY (that is, the day before the Sabbath).

Luke 23:54
It was PREPARATION DAY, and the Sabbath was about to begin.

John 19:42
Because it was the JEWSIH DAY OF PREPARATION and since the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.

I do not have any problem with the above, I could swear if it could help. But the problem you have with the above AS DO ALL PROTESTANTS JUST LIKE YOU ROMANISTS, is that you fail to notice the last two Scriptures, Luke 23:54-56a and John 19:41-42 tell of the ending of Burial day, 'Friday' "mid-afternoon the Sabbath approaching ... by the time of the Jews' preparations": for the Sabbath; while the Scriptures you have placed first and properly belong first --CONGRATS-- Matthew 27:57 and Mark 15:42, tell of the beginning of Burial day, 'Friday', 'Thursday night' "when evening had / was come since being the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath" the crosses standing and the bodies to the annoyance of the Jews hanging 'still' "on the sabbath because that day was great-day-of-sabbath" PROSPECTIVE: of the PASSOVER.

GerhardEbersoehn · Mar 21, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
Finally, Einstein - the Greek word used here for "Evening" is Ὀψίας (opsias), which is defined in Strong's Greek Concordance as:

2a) from 3:00 to 6:00
2b) from 6:00 to the beginning of night.

I suggest you do your HOMEWORK next time instead of obsessing over idiotic minutia for which you have NO CASE . . .

Ag please. . . consult the old first written editions... Strong's ... se alie ... WEAK!

In any case, isn't this ridiculous or what, "'from 6:00 to the beginning of night'" ... 6:00 IS the beginning of night!

BreadOfLife · Mar 21, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
Ag please. . . consult the old first written editions... Strong's ... se alie ... WEAK!
In any case, isn't this ridiculous or what, "'from 6:00 to the beginning of night'" ... 6:00 IS the beginning of night!

WRONG, my ignorant, Biblically-bankrupt friend.

The Passover took place AFTER the first full moon AFTER the Vernal Equinox.
In other words, Einstein - it was SPRINGTIME. 6:00 is NOT night during this time of year.

WHY do you think the Greek word has TWO time definitions??
ONE for the shorter days of autumn and winter - and ONE for the longer days after the beginning of SPRING.

You have LOST this argument because you have failed to do your homework . . .

BreadOfLife · Mar 21, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
I do not have any problem with the above, I could swear if it could help. But the problem you have with the above AS DO ALL PROTESTANTS JUST LIKE YOU ROMANISTS, is that you fail to notice the last two Scriptures, Luke 23:54-56a and John 19:41-42 tell of the ending of Burial day, 'Friday' "mid-afternoon the Sabbath approaching ... by the time of the Jews' preparations": for the Sabbath; while the Scriptures you have placed first and properly belong first --CONGRATS-- Matthew 27:57 and Mark 15:42, tell of the beginning of Burial day, 'Friday', 'Thursday night' "when evening had / was come since being the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath" the crosses standing and the bodies to the annoyance of the Jews hanging 'still' "on the sabbath because that day was great-day-of-sabbath" PROSPECTIVE: of the PASSOVER.

WRONG again.
The Preparation Day for the Sabbath (Saturday) is FRIDAY - the day of His Death and Burial.

The verses I presented show that it was STILL the Day of Preparation when Joseph of Arimathea placed Jesus in the Tomb. The use of the Greek word Ὀψίας (opsias) in Mark 15 let's us know that it was probably AFTER 6 but BEFORE dark.

You LOSE.

Game.
SET.
MATCH.

Cherie Faye Mora · Mar 21, 2019

CoreIssue said:
Easter is a Catholic invention. An adaption of Ishtar worship.

It did not exist at the time of the apostles nor did the Catholic Church.

I am nondenominational so to me recognition of the birth, Life, death and resurrection of Jesus every day reality.

There are no holy days in the New Testament.

You're right. Easter is an invention or a man-made teaching. Every part of Christ's life should be honored every day.

This video touches on the origins of Easter. Completely up to anyone to click or watch.

justbyfaith · Mar 21, 2019

Easter - Wikipedia

Completely up to anyone to click on.

CoreIssue · Mar 21, 2019

justbyfaith said:
Easter - Wikipedia

Completely up to anyone to click on.

You are trying to appeal to Catholic arguments in defense of Easter in the King James Version.

Does not work. Never was in the original and did not exist at the time of the apostles.

justbyfaith · Mar 21, 2019

Col 2:16, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

re #216.

justbyfaith · Mar 21, 2019

From Easter - Wikipedia

In Latin and Greek, the Christian celebration was, and still is, called Pascha (Greek: Πάσχα),

Therefore in translating the word pascha into Easter, the translators of the kjv were not mistaken.

Maybe someone who has or can get access to the CARM should go and gently bear this information over to the kjv-only section over there, where the anti-kjv people are having a hayday for that they nitpick their opponents to death with the moderators and people who oppose them don't last long as the result (they get kicked off the boards). It would at least be a testimony if someone would bear this information to them...and if the same can be exemplary as concerning the rules, maybe they can remain long enough to cause them some grief.

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