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n2thelight

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Gonna start this with a question.Are you willing to stand alone before God,and make an account of what you are teaching?I ask because I can't count the many different views on this forum,and many other's that are different,in other words,we are teaching or suppose to be His Word,and we will be held accountable.

So my next question,are you willing to bet your soul on what you teach?

To answer my own question ,I am!!!!
 
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Gonna start this with a question.Are you willing to stand alone before God,and make an account of what you are teaching?I ask because I can't count the many different views on this forum,and many other's that are different,in other words,we are teaching or suppose to be His Word,and we will be held accountable.
I am always aware of the admonition in James 3:1, that we who teach, will be more severely Judged.
But I think for people to have a wrong belief of what God has planned for the last days, it won't affect their salvation. It is those who strongly promote false theories, that cannot be proved by scripture, who will feel the wrath of God.
My Deserata:
One who devotes himself to study Wisdom
Ecclesiasticus 39:1-11 How different it is with one who devotes himself to reflecting on the Law of the Most High, who explores all the wisdom of the past and occupies himself with the study of prophecies!

He preserves the sayings of the famous and penetrates the subtleties of parables.

The great avail themselves of his services and he appears in the presence of rulers.

He travels in foreign countries, learning at first hand human good and human evil.


He makes a point of rising early to seek the Lord, his Maker; he prays to the Most High, asking pardon for his sins.

If it is the will of the mighty Lord, he will be filled with the spirit of intelligence; then he will pour forth wise sayings of his own and give thanks to the Lord in prayer.

He is directed in his counsel and knowledge by the Lord, whose secrets are his constant study. In his teaching, he will reveal his learning, and his pride will be in the Law of the Lord’s covenant.


Many will praise his intelligence, and his works will never be forgotten. The memory of him will live forever and ever. The nations will tell of his wisdom and the assembled people will sing his praise. If he lives long, he will leave a name in a thousand; when he goes to his long rest, his reputation is secure. Reference: REB Apocrypha.


Job 28:20-28 Where, then does wisdom come from? God alone knows the way to wisdom. The fear of the Lord is wisdom and to turn from evil, that is understanding.

Daniel 2:21 God gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have discernment.

James 1:5-6 If any of you lack wisdom, you should ask God and it will be given to you. But, whoever asks, must ask in faith, with no doubts in their mind.

Proverbs 3:13 Blessed is the person who finds wisdom, it is more profitable than gold.

Psalm 40:8-10 God, it is my desire to do Your will. Your Law is in my heart. In the Great assembly, I have proclaimed what is right and not concealed Your unfailing truth.

Isaiah 32:3-4 Then those who see, will see clearly and those who hear will listen with care. The impious mind will understand and the stammerer will speak plainly.


James 3:1 ..you may be sure that we who teach, will ourselves face a stricter judgement.

Romans 12:16 Do not be proud, but be ready to mix with humble people. Do not keep thinking how wise you are.


“At about the time of the end, a body of men will be raised up, who will turn their attention to the prophesies and insist upon their literal interpretation, in the midst of much clamour and oppression.” Quote from Sir Isaac Newton.


2 Corinthians 2:11 For Satan must not be allowed to get the better of us, we know his wiles all too well.
 
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Addressing the OP only, putting your soul up for grabs is a dangerous thing. #1. what you calls "Your" soul is not yours. Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die".
in other words,we are teaching or suppose to be His Word,and we will be held accountable.
this is true in being held accountiable. but not all are teachers, as well as apostles, or prophets, est.... if this is your calling, then you have nothing to worry about. Matthew 18:4 "Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 18:5 "And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Matthew 18:6 "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea".

as for teachers, Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil".

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What I find fascinating is that even if some people can't bring themselves to say they are not perfect in their "positivizes", why is it that they cannot say "I see it this way" or "This is what I believe." Almost everything that comes out of some mouths here is a declaration that what they have said is the absolute and only possibility.
 

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What I find fascinating is that even if some people can't bring themselves to say they are not perfect in their "positivizes", why is it that they cannot say "I see it this way" or "This is what I believe." Almost everything that comes out of some mouths here is a declaration that what they have said is the absolute and only possibility.
I do that frequently, but what I am positive and forceful about, is the actual Words of scripture.
So it isn't what I say, but what the Bible plainly states. Unfortunately, many view scriptures that are plain to me; quite differently!

Many people want to place Prophecy into the past, or spiritualize it, or as the bulk of Church members, especially Pastors, just ignore it.
God has given us the story of His plans for our future, it must be a sin to ignore about a quarter of the Bible. But the worst crime is to twist and mis-interpret verses to suit a belief; one that does not have Biblical support.
 

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..., are you willing to bet your soul on what you teach? ...

Hmmmmmm, -- I don't think it's such a big deal to bet a person's soul, but more can they DEFEND what they teach.

Ignorant people don't necessarily know they're ignorant, and of course they'll "bet their own soul", BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST INFORMATION THEY HAVE. Now if each of us thought through what we do or do not know, then it might be a much different DECISION.

Take for example the most elementary start of "modern" history with Daniel's Image-of-Metals -- HEAD OF GOLD in ~600BC. Certainly we know there is a sequence of empires, which most "commentators" assert is 1,2,3,4a/4b. However, Verse 45 says:

Daniel 2:45 ... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ... = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE


So being given this information, and challenged to COMPLY with FIVE World Empires, of which the FIFTH is called a "divided kingdom" (typical of the Three Superpowers and the United Nations), can those that defend the 1,2,3,4a/4b doctrine provide an explanation for the 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE Intelligent Design of Verse 45?!?



And I'll tell you now, -- some people has asserted that there was NO Intelligent Design in that Verse, and that it was simply RANDOM; but NO ONE has provided an a l t e r n a t i v e Intelligent Design explanation.

Now it's this group of people who shouldn't bet their souls, because they've been informed, but have declined the TRUTH of Scripture and History in deference to their FALSE doctrine. But you'll have to ask this type of specific challenge to receive their TRUE contemplative answer.


... or so it seems to me ...
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I do that frequently, but what I am positive and forceful about, is the actual Words of scripture.
So it isn't what I say, but what the Bible plainly states. Unfortunately, many view scriptures that are plain to me; quite differently!

Many people want to place Prophecy into the past, or spiritualize it, or as the bulk of Church members, especially Pastors, just ignore it.
God has given us the story of His plans for our future, it must be a sin to ignore about a quarter of the Bible. But the worst crime is to twist and mis-interpret verses to suit a belief; one that does not have Biblical support.
But almost all views DO have Scriptural-backing that opponents using the exact same verse often swear supports THEIR view... not the other person's.

ie: Hate your mother and father...….. I have come to divide, your enemy will be right in your own family.... the camel and the eye of the needle...… get behind me Satan...…. {but} upon this rock I will build my church...… what you loose or bind on earth will be loosed or bound in Heaven...… and a hundred other verses that many people read totally the opposite of what another might read.

So, just because you accurately use the exact words printed in the Bible, often means very little.
 
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Gonna start this with a question.Are you willing to stand alone before God,and make an account of what you are teaching?I ask because I can't count the many different views on this forum,and many other's that are different,in other words,we are teaching or suppose to be His Word,and we will be held accountable.

So my next question,are you willing to bet your soul on what you teach?

To answer my own question ,I am!!!!

I am, yes.
 

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But almost all views DO have Scriptural backing that opponents using the exact same verse often swear supports THEIR view... not the other person's.

ie: Hate your mother and father...….. I have come to divide, your enemy will be right in your own family.... the camel and the eye of the needle...… get behind me Satan...…. {but} upon this rock I will build my church...… what you loose or bind on earth will be loosed or bound in Heaven...… and a hundred other verses that many people read totally the opposite of what another might read.

So, just because you accurately use the exact words printed in the Bible, often means very little.
An example of what you say would be Revelation 3:10....I will keep you from the ordeal that is to fall upon the world.....
This prophecy is used as a 'rapture to heaven' proof.
However it contradicts verses like Revelation 13:10 and 1 Corinthians 10:13, that say we must endure and that God will protect us during His wrath, but when theses contradictions are pointed out, it is usually ignored or made out to apply to someone else.
It will be people like that who will be speechless when they stand before God.
 

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Addressing the OP only, putting your soul up for grabs is a dangerous thing. #1. what you calls "Your" soul is not yours. Ezekiel 18:4 "Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die".

Thank you much,and yes I know my soul is not mine,all belong to God,that's why I don't like people saying I'm giving my soul to God,yet we know what they mean.

My point of the OP don't be afraid to say you don't know,or I'm not sure

All will be taught the true Word of God during the millennium,as God will judge no one in ignorance
 

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Thinking on my OP,I don't feel I should have said betting my soul,as that IMO,would imply that I know it all(scripture)and that is nowhere near the case

I'll just say please be careful of what you say in this or any other forum as you will be judged by it....
 
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Thank you much,and yes I know my soul is not mine,all belong to God,that's why I don't like people saying I'm giving my soul to God,yet we know what they mean.

My point of the OP don't be afraid to say you don't know,or I'm not sure

All will be taught the true Word of God during the millennium,as God will judge no one in ignorance
Understood, True, and we agree, be blessed and stay strong in the LORD.

PICJAG
 

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So, just because you accurately use the exact words printed in the Bible, often means very little.
Yes, cannot even a devil or an atheist sometimes cite verbatim, from memory, a verse just as it is written in scripture?
 
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Gonna start this with a question.Are you willing to stand alone before God,and make an account of what you are teaching?

I'd rather stand with people who screwed-up their interpretations worse than I did ;).. But really, what we have is a vast array of varying opinions about what means what. I suspect that God would just be thrilled that there are people digging into his Word and trying to understand it. Most people I know never crack open a bible, or even have one. Nothing wrong with not figuring something out correctly, as long as your not deliberately trying to mislead others. If we are judged by our own level of intellect, I suspect we're all in trouble.. Ultimately, Christ is our predominate teacher, we are just disciples (learners).
 

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I'd rather stand with people who screwed-up their interpretations worse than I did ;).. But really, what we have is a vast array of varying opinions about what means what. I suspect that God would just be thrilled that there are people digging into his Word and trying to understand it. Most people I know never crack open a bible, or even have one. Nothing wrong with not figuring something out correctly, as long as your not deliberately trying to mislead others. If we are judged by our own level of intellect, I suspect we're all in trouble.. Ultimately, Christ is our predominate teacher, we are just disciples (learners).

Great Post. I'd rather see trees that look like men, and men that look like trees, than to be completely blind:

1 Cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


Bobby Jo