Calvinism is a Cult

How in the world did the Gospel of Christ turn into the Gospel of "you?"

Anyone else find this huge aversion to giving God all the glory in salvation troubling, bothersome, unbelievable?

It's very troubling, they fight hard, response after response, even some angrily against us and giving God all the glory.

That is the entire drive behind their responses, their total aversion to giving him all the glory.

Wow! They fight it in here all day long. Not once will you see them ever give a like to a post that grants God all glory in salvation, never! One posts about what they've done, fighting against giving glory to God? They get many "like's."

Preacher4Truth said:

It's cool, laugh. Your arguments are straw man. You bring nothing to the table but rudimentary misunderstandings, and zero Bible.

Why?

Your gospel is about you, not about God, not directly from the word. It's all about you and how you did it.

Bottom line? Your "stuff" is made of all you. No Scripture. You. All about you. That's all you've offered bro.

Now, again, I fully expect your next argument to be about you again, what you did, your free will and nothing biblical. That is your gospel: you.

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lol i gave scripture but you rewrote it ..i must get a Calvinism dictionary of redefined words

Ezra said:

your right so i will just pretend i am a Calvinist and i can never be wrong . Calvinism the only group who redefines definitions. maybe you have you convinced ..i dunno all i know the night i got saved i heard God say its NOW OR NEVER -------i took the now "Because I called and you refused, I stretched out my hand and no one paid attention; Proverbs 1:24 maybe you can redefine CALL and you refused break out the Calvinism book of definitions ..lol this reminds when i posted in carm..still can just got bored with it..i did give away free seeing eye dogs.. they was blinded

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Nothing but ridicule, maligning, and still defending self. It's all you bro. All about you.

And you've offered zero Scripture, zero God, zero Gospel. Just more you. There is no way you've even looked at nor have you allowed any offered Scripture to correct you.

Unreal.

Tell us more (less really) about the gospel of you.

Ezra said:

lol i gave scripture but you rewrote it ..i must get a Calvinism dictionary of redefined words

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You gave zero Scripture. None. All about you, with some disdain mixed in, and ridicule.

Preacher4Truth sure is persistent.

@Ezra

Bro, hang it up. You have nothing, no Scripture, and a gospel of you. Just going to ignore you because you have nothing to offer from God, Scripture, or Gospel, it's all you, all about you. You aren't preaching truth or the Gospel at all, not even close.

Preach your message of you to others, not me. Thanks.

Pharisees Saducees with the unwashed tombs beezable.

Preacher4Truth said:

You aren't preaching truth or the Gospel at all, not even close.

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of course cause i aint Calvinist

But Ezra, you were already Calvinist, see upon the very seed are you in the Chosen People! Here! Irresistable Grace!
1 Peter 1 basically.

I said:

Preacher4Truth said:

You aren't preaching truth or the Gospel at all, not even close.

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[B][I][U]Ezra said: [/U][/I][/B]

[QUOTE="Ezra, post: 528629, member: 8052"]of course cause i aint Calvinist[/QUOTE]

Exactly!!

If you were, you'd know the Gospel, and the Gospel isn't your teaching.

Your gospel is all about you, which is why you're fighting. Everything you're fighting is in defense of you. The remarkable thing is you absolutely cannot see it at all.

You do not at all understand the Gospel. Not even close.

Get your last word in, tell us more about you.

Mike Dwight said:

But Ezra, you were already Calvinist, see upon the very seed are you in the Chosen People! Here! Irresistable Grace!
1 Peter 1 basically.

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nope and btw Irresistable Grace! is nor in the bible saved by grace but then again he made the call i chose to answer

Buuut… 1 Peter 1 is literally on the logo of Calvinists... So, OK there aren't any Presbyterians then... People should look into how some Protestants started this, its probably so small it should be cute. People grow up and look around and hey I am Smart Now and I want to Choose my Lord!

Preacher4Truth said:

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Exactly!!

If you were, you'd know the Gospel, and the Gospel isn't your teaching.

Your gospel is all about you, which is why you're fighting. Everything you're fighting is in defense of you. The remarkable thing is you absolutely cannot see it at all.

You do not at all understand the Gospel. Not even close.

Get your last word in, tell us more about you.

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you got to do better than this .. your straw is about to burn poof only you can prevent Forrest fires . look i am more than familiar with your argument /the doctrine .and anything else you have.. not my first rodeo i been told i am wrong so many times by Calvinist i lost track . scripture say he called we refused ---------------FREE WILL IS ALIVE AND WELL AND HERE TO STAY ..one thing i have noticed is you tiptoe around my questions... the time you got saved did someone force you to pray force you to go to a altar? or did someone say hey you just got saved. ......you made a choice . please get fresh material

Mike Dwight said:

Buuut… 1 Peter 1 is literally on the logo of Calvinists... So, OK there aren't any Presbyterians then...

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there reformed they are the Royal chosen seed

Ya probably but, you're part of a religion saying I got to be totally psyched about Jesus today to be talking about Church, the permanent Tent Revival of the 1840's Great Awakening. You guys are all here choosing to be excited about Jesus. We let you in and now we're the frontline volunteers.

Lady Crosstalk said:

That's what I figured. I have him on "ignore" so I don't see his posts, as I might be tempted to answer him. He just takes you in circles--apparently by design. Don't know why he is angry with God (there's likely a story there) but I really find his constant harping, "I don't have enough evidence" to be boring after a while.

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That is probably a wise move. But that is why I never use ignore as I can't always follow the conversation. I do mentally put some on ignore, though I see what they have said.

It's hard to tell their motives. But, we know the motives of the spirit behind them.

Yes, the constant clamor for evidence is really empty. For some reason they believe they can create doubt in the believer over it. They do not know the evidence we have in the Spirit of God in us. This is evidence that they have no ability to measure.

And, welcome to the forum.

Stranger

Ezra said:

o never said i agreed with it a cult no ..many Calvinist i have ran across are rude you go to carm forum.. your treated like a outcast. you will be called a false teacher . free will is Bible he gave adam and eve a choice .he gives us a choice

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Sin binds the will. Truth makes free.

Enoch111 said:

That MISTRANSLATION by the NIV is quite misleading.

The Hebrew literally says "Behold, in iniquity I was brought forth, and in sin my mother conceived me."

This is paralleled by the KJV: Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

So what this means essentially is that every child is born with a sin nature, and that all human beings are sinners by birth. The NIV is absurdly alleging that babies are committing sins from birth.

And God already knows the human condition, but He has made provision through the blood of Christ for babies and very young children. They are simply redeemed by His grace, since they cannot exercise faith in Christ.

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How do you know this?

Vince said:

How do you know this?

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He doesn’t. When his theology breaks down, he makes things up and wings it.

Stranger said:

Oh please, your breaking my heart. Let me shed a tear.

You don't want any part of Christianity anyway. You think you are fooling anyone. I'm glad I make it easy for you. So, why are you here? And why are you posting in a Christian area. You can't follow, and don't want to follow simple rules.

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Look again at what forum this thread is in. It does not say Christians Only as others do. You are wrong here. As far as following rules, here is one from the rules for this site:

Community-Wide Rules

• No Flaming, Goading or Harassment. All members should be treated with the utmost respect and courtesy at all times following the rules of civil discourse, this includes heated debate discussions or even in daily discussion in the shoutbox.
• No insults are allowed. Included in this are all forms of flaming, harassment, and trolling/goading as determined at the discretion of the Christianity Board Team. Trolling/Goading is defined as repeated attempts through the use of images, cartoons, smileys or text that is designed to be explicitly demeaning, patronizing, embarrassing, or otherwise upsetting to a member or group of members in the community.

Do you think your insults here conform to these rules like telling me to go into my hole and stay there?

You are not a disciple of Christ and I have no love for you. Does that upset you? Doesn't me.

Stranger

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So you love people based on your own standard and not gods standard. Here is what your Bible says:

A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. Jn 13:34

If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. 1 Jn 4:20

Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. Ro 12:10

And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them. Luke 6:31

But love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return, and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, for he is kind to the ungrateful and the evil. Luke 6:35

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude.It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful, it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things,hopes all things, endures all things. 1 Cor 13:1-7.

A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.” Jn 13:34-35

From this last verse how can I conclude that you are a disciple of Christ? You show no love to other Christians and let alone non Christians. This is what your bible says love is:

Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful...

Do you think that you exhibit these attributes of love? I don't see it with what you post on these boards. Its not just you but look at the nastiness on this thread alone between the Calvinists and anti Calvinists. You are supposed to be brothers/sisters in Christ but you act like the rest of the world, like I see on Twitter etc. It would go a long way if non believers actually saw Christians disagreeing in a respectful way. Jesus had compassion on sinners but harsh words for the religious people that were not following gods commands and corrupting what god said.

You can take this and think about it to see if you agree with this assessment or you can lash back out of anger and continue to show that you are not following Jesus in this area.