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justbyfaith

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Brother, you just contradicted yourself. 2 Peter 1:20. Taking a verse on its own is the very definition of a private interpretation.
2 Corinthians 3:13-18

We clearly see he is talking about speaking plainly of Jesus. The rest of the verse clarifies this.



2 Timothy 3:16 clearly shows that all Scripture [as a whole, not each individual Scripture] is profitable for Doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction.
This does not bear even responding to you except by my prayer for you in tongues.
 

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The apostles used great plainness of speech.

2Co 3:12, Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

Now, you may want to interpret that by some other scripture so that it means something entirely different than what it says.

But the scripture itself tells you that you cannot do it that way. I would point out that it is also written:

2Pe 1:20, Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Now, we can indeed receive teaching and added insight by comparing spiritual thing with spiritual; however, the new interpretation will never nullify the original interpretation, i.e. what the scripture says by itself as it stands on its own.

Here is what we mean by comparing scripture with scripture not pitting it against itself.

”For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”

The boastful shall not stand before Your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity.[Psalms 5:5]

Now, the Hebrew word does not mean to love less, but to detest. If world means everybody whoever lived, then God loves and hates the wicked simultaneously. Or, the correct view, world does not mean all whoever lived.
 

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Salvation is being born of God. The cause of salvation is receiving Him.
Regeneration is being born again. Look up anothen. Salvation is being saved from your sins. Regeneration and salvation are not the same thing. They happen simultaneously, but are not the same.
 

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Salvation is being born of God. The cause of salvation is receiving Him.
Again my friend, you are placing the cause before the effect.

In Ezekiel 37, he comes upon a valley of very dry bones. These bones had no way of ever living again, left to themselves. That was us in our lost condition.

God commands Ezekiel to say to these bones ‘O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.’ Here we see God commanding something they can’t do. How can these dead, sunbleached bones hear the word of the Lord? Left in this state, they can’t. It takes God to take the initiative and do for them what they can’t do themselves. God said ”Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life. I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.’”

As Ezekiel commands, he hears a great noise, rattling of bones, bone coming to its bone, then sinew and flesh. Yet, they lack one very important thing, breath of life. God then commands Ezekiel to prophecy for the wind to blow upon them. As he prophecies, the wind blows upon them and they come to life and stand upon their feet.

This is how the gospel works. As we speak the word of God, He quickens whosoever He wills[John 5:21] and they come to life.
 

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Regeneration is being born again. Look up anothen. Salvation is being saved from your sins. Regeneration and salvation are not the same thing. They happen simultaneously, but are not the same.

Regeneration and being born again and being saved are synonymous.

It does not say our faith. Look it up again.

In the following verses, whose faith is being required?

Act 16:30, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31, And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It seems to me that the Philippian jailer is being called upon to exercise his faith and to place it squarely on Jesus Christ for salvation.

Here, Jesus is not exercising His faith so that the Philippian jailer might be saved. The Philippian jailer is being called upon to exercise personal faith in Jesus.

And back to the original point, we gain access to grace through the faith that we exercise; and therefore the order in salvation is that faith comes first, by which we gain access into grace, which is equated to salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9.
 

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Again my friend, you are placing the cause before the effect.

In Ezekiel 37, he comes upon a valley of very dry bones. These bones had no way of ever living again, left to themselves. That was us in our lost condition.

God commands Ezekiel to say to these bones ‘O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.’ Here we see God commanding something they can’t do. How can these dead, sunbleached bones hear the word of the Lord? Left in this state, they can’t. It takes God to take the initiative and do for them what they can’t do themselves. God said ”Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life. I will put sinews on you, make flesh grow back on you, cover you with skin and put breath in you that you may come alive; and you will know that I am the LORD.’”

As Ezekiel commands, he hears a great noise, rattling of bones, bone coming to its bone, then sinew and flesh. Yet, they lack one very important thing, breath of life. God then commands Ezekiel to prophecy for the wind to blow upon them. As he prophecies, the wind blows upon them and they come to life and stand upon their feet.

This is how the gospel works. As we speak the word of God, He quickens whosoever He wills[John 5:21] and they come to life.
I won't argue with this. But I will say that Romans 5:2 holds true...that we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand.
 

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Regeneration and being born again and being saved are synonymous.



In the following verses, whose faith is being required?

Act 16:30, And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
Act 16:31, And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

It seems to me that the Philippian jailer is being called upon to exercise his faith and to place it squarely on Jesus Christ for salvation.

Here, Jesus is not exercising His faith so that the Philippian jailer might be saved. The Philippian jailer is being called upon to exercise personal faith in Jesus.

And back to the original point, we gain access to grace through the faith that we exercise; and therefore the order in salvation is that faith comes first, by which we gain access into grace, which is equated to salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9.
Regeneration is being born again. Salvation is being saved from sin. Again, faith is not innate in man, but is a gift, a fruit of the Spirit.[Galatians 5:22]

If one has a fruit of the Spirit, they have the Spirit. When the Philippians jailer exercised faith, it shows it was the Spirit at work in regenerating him.
 

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God does not hate and love ppl at the same time my friend. That flies in the face of Romans 9:21-24.
He loved us while we were yet sinners according to Romans 5:8. How does this apply to verses that you might bring up on how God hates the sinner?
 

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If one has a fruit of the Spirit, they have the Spirit. When the Philippians jailer exercised faith, it shows it was the Spirit at work in regenerating him.
The point was that Jesus did not personally exercise His faith to save the Philippian jailer; but the Philippian jailer was being called upon to exercise his faith.

And therefore it is not only the faith of Christ that saves us (in the sense of Christ exercising faith); but it is our faith that saves us, that we place in Jesus Christ.
 

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He loved us while we were yet sinners according to Romans 5:8. How does this apply to verses that you might bring up on how God hates the sinner?
This is applied to His sheep.

1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and we exult in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only this, but we also exult in our tribulations, knowing that tribulation brings about perseverance; 4 and perseverance, proven character; and proven character, hope; 5 and hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out within our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
6 For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only this, but we also exult in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.


Look @ all the personal pronouns used. It’s talking about His covenant sheep. In John 10:11 and John 10:15, the Christ clearly said He was giving His life for the sheep. Ephesians 5:25, Paul wrote He gave His life for the church, His bride.

By pitting scripture against scripture, you are contradicting God’s word.
 

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Since I am not misapplying it, it does substantiate my belief quite nicely.
No, sorry, it doesn't substantiate anything other than perhaps you cannot discern truth in your quasi gospel.

You continually misapply it and you just don't care. That text is of believers, not unbelievers. Show us by the text that it is to the lost, using context. You cannot do it. But show us anyhow.
 
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Regeneration is being born again. Salvation is being saved from sin.

Regeneration and being born again and being saved are synonymous.

Again, faith is not innate in man, but is a gift, a fruit of the Spirit.[Galatians 5:22]

We have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand. Faith comes first, then grace, then the Holy Spirit. The subsequent fruit of faith is actually more like faithfulness; which is adhering to the initial faith that comes as the result of making a decision for the Lord after being drawn to Him by the Father.
 

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The point was that Jesus did not personally exercise His faith to save the Philippian jailer; but the Philippian jailer was being called upon to exercise his faith.

And therefore it is not only the faith of Christ that saves us (in the sense of Christ exercising faith); but it is our faith that saves us, that we place in Jesus Christ.
Once gifted faith, it’s theirs to exercise. He exercise the gifted faith he received from God.