Israel is the Church

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Dave L

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Romans 9:6-8 KJV
[6] Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: [7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. [8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Gee, are you very notorious at twisting Scripture and taking it out of context.
This passage is speaking of the true Israel, i.e. those who are of the lineage of Abraham-Isaac-Jacob AND believe. It is referring to natural Israel that are believers IOW, it’s remnant (Rom 11:4). ( IT HAS NO REFERENCE TO YOUR MYTHICAL “SPIRITUAL ISRAEL”.)
To whom are those who accept Jesus grafted back into? Themselves, or the Church?
 

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Are you saying Muslims and Arabs (who comprise the vast majority of the Middle East) will remain anti-Christian?
Not really...

If you go back to that post and its last paragraph of mine I was referring to those Jews in the Middle East today. Those defiant ones in my eyes, these are those that shall stay defiant and their descendants. Of course if a Jew today or a Muslim or Arabs becomes a genuine Christian then so be it. It adds to the body of Christ. God does know those that have a heart for him and his Son.

Bless you,

APAK
 

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Circumcision made one a physical Jew and a physical member of Israel. When Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, there were no more physical Jews or physical Israel after that last generation died off. Those calling themselves by those names today are in fact gentiles with Jewish customs.
Who do you follow?, who taught you that Dave? the bible does not say that there are no more physical Jews.
 

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Circumcision made one a physical Jew and a physical member of Israel. When Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, there were no more physical Jews or physical Israel after that last generation died off. Those calling themselves by those names today are in fact gentiles with Jewish customs.
In fact that is a False teaching that is not written in the Bible. In Fact, the scripture is clear that the LORD God is saving Himself a REMNANT of Jews for Himself. Personally, I find the arrogance & anti-semitism of the supersessionism is really atrocious. When a person truly loves the Lord they love His Plan for His people.
 

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Why do I see Christians acting judgmental & resentful of the Jews?
This seems to be a growing trend in the world and the 'Church' is following suit, as as a result of the disdain the world has for Scripture and it's people. The world has infiltrated the Church...or the Church has prostituted itself out to the world...or both.
 

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To whom are those who accept Jesus grafted back into? Themselves, or the Church?
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We are grafted into the blessings and promises of Abraham,...Jesus Christ, to form a One New man called the Church, the bride of Christ. This is why Israel is NOT the Church.

Ephesians 2:13-15 (KJV) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
 

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Not really...

If you go back to that post and its last paragraph of mine I was referring to those Jews in the Middle East today. Those defiant ones in my eyes, these are those that shall stay defiant and their descendants. Of course if a Jew today or a Muslim or Arabs becomes a genuine Christian then so be it. It adds to the body of Christ. God does know those that have a heart for him and his Son.

Bless you,

APAK
Thanks for the clarification.
 
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We are grafted into the blessings and promises of Abraham,...Jesus Christ, to form a One New man called the Church, the bride of Christ. This is why Israel is NOT the Church.

Ephesians 2:13-15 (KJV) But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Abraham's seed = the Hebrews = Israel in Genesis.
 
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In fact that is a False teaching that is not written in the Bible. In Fact, the scripture is clear that the LORD God is saving Himself a REMNANT of Jews for Himself. Personally, I find the arrogance & anti-semitism of the supersessionism is really atrocious. When a person truly loves the Lord they love His Plan for His people.
God reduced the unbelieving Jews to gentiles and some are being grafted back into Christ during the times of the gentiles. The times of the gentiles remain until the end of the world, until which we are to preach the gospel to all nations (gentiles).
 

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Circumcision made one a physical Jew and a physical member of Israel. When Christ abolished circumcision on the cross, there were no more physical Jews or physical Israel after that last generation died off. Those calling themselves by those names today are in fact gentiles with Jewish customs.
Totally wrong, made up , not in the Bible.
 

tzcho2

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God reduced the unbelieving Jews to gentiles and some are being grafted back into Christ during the times of the gentiles. The times of the gentiles remain until the end of the world, until which we are to preach the gospel to all nations (gentiles).
You are not a teacher of scripture Dave , you are a false teacher, wolf in sheep's clothing, who tries to spread the false doctrine of annilating the Jewish nation of Israel , the annilation of Jews period, & adding to the spreading of anti-semitic hate , all the while claiming that "the church is Israel" -- that is a Lie from out of the pit.
 

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Please study Jewish history beginning with Abraham. Everything I say about Israel begins there.
Please get over yourself. Read the BIBLE. That is where true CHRISTIANS get their theology & doctrines.
 
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You are not a teacher of scripture Dave , you are a false teacher, wolf in sheep's clothing, who tries to spread the false doctrine of annilating the Jewish nation of Israel , the annilation of Jews period, & adding to the spreading of anti-semitic hate , all the while claiming that "the church is Israel" -- that is a Lie from out of the pit.
You are welcome to refute anything I say with scripture.
 

tzcho2

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You are welcome to refute anything I say with scripture.
You are in Denial Dave. The fact is for many threads & pages on multiple forums as a matter of fact, you have been shown scripture TONS & tons of times but you refuse it and continue to twist scriptures & misrepresent it.
Supersessionism/ REPLACEMENT theology is evidence that the spiritually deaf cannot hear & the spiritually blind cannot see.
 
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You are in Denial Dave. The fact is for many threads & pages on multiple forums as a matter of fact, you have been shown scripture TONS & tons of times but you refuse it and continue to twist scriptures & misrepresent it.
Supersessionism/ REPLACEMENT theology is evidence that the spiritually deaf cannot hear & the spiritually blind cannot see.
You have no support from scripture so far. Just sentiment.
 

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You need to study Jewish history from the bible before passing judgement on me.
I do pass judgment upon you Dave because we are to judge those who say they are within the body of Christ. You are a false teacher who pushes false teachings. It is one thing to have wrong beliefs but you start THREAD after THREAD denying Israel and dissing the Jews, it's no wonder so many of them don't trust Christians & so then don't hear the gospel.
 
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I do pass judgment upon you Dave because we are to judge those who say they are within the body of Christ. You are a false teacher who pushes false teachings. It is one thing to have wrong beliefs but you start THREAD after THREAD denying Israel and dissing the Jews, it's no wonder so many of them don't trust Christians & so then don't hear the gospel.
If you do not like Jewish history, that's fine. Write your own version and be happy.
 

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You have no support from scripture so far. Just sentiment.
You have been given tons of scripture Dave. But you continue to twist it or you just ignore those posts , then you claim like the above that you were not given scriptures - give me a break. Sorry, man, I have a life which requires me to be somewhere at the moment. You're an antisemite Dave. You and I are on opposite sides, as the scripture teaches, I, like my God, am a Zionist.