SovereignGrace
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But he is until God saves.satan is not to be our master at all.
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But he is until God saves.satan is not to be our master at all.
The point being, that we neither have to love him, nor hate him, nor hold to him, nor despise him; because while Jesus is our Master, it is not necessarily true that we have two masters so that the devil would be a master in our lives: and because satan is not our master, we can love him as our enemy as Jesus said this is the key to our victory over him. In feeding our enemy when he is hungry and giving him drink when he is thirsty, we shall heap burning coals upon his head; and if he continues to fight against us after that we need not take vengeance for the Lord has said, "Vengeance is mine; I will repay."But he is until God saves.
It is qualified by ...EVERY BELIEVING ONEP4T,
That's your Calvinism speaking.
Evangelical Calvinist and leading Greek exegete and commentator, the late Leon Morris, in his commentary on John 3:16 wrote:
That is as clear as crystal for Leon Morris: ‘God’s love is wide enough to embrace all mankind. His love is not confined to any national group or any spiritual elite’. All human beings are included in God’s love articulated in John 3:16.
‘God loved "the world"…. The Jew was ready enough to think of God as loving Israel, but no passage appears to be cited in which any Jewish writer maintains that God loved the world. It is a distinctively Christian idea that God’s love is wide enough to embrace all mankind. His love is not confined to any national group or any spiritual elite. It is a love which proceeds from the fact that He is love (I John 4:8, 16). It is His nature to love. He loves men because He is the kind of God He is. John tells us that His love is shown in the gift of His Son’ (Morris 1971:229).
Another Calvinistic commentator on John's Gospel, Dr D A Carson, came to similar conclusions.
It is you who is out on a Calvinistic limb.
Oz
Works consulted
Morris, L 1971. The gospel according to John. Grand Rapids, Michigan: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.
You can throw in a bible verse and try to say that it fits your theology; but it is clear to anyone with eyes to see that your theology is contradicted by the verse.OzSpen,
[According to your theology, all people cannot repent]]
You do not understand my theology. All men are commanded to repent.Acts17:
30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
31 Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.
[because all people are not unconditionally elected to believe.]
It is sin that keeps people from repenting, they love sin.
Unconditional election is true and necessary because of spiritual death.
[So, it's whistling in the wind to 'command all men/people to repent and believe' when ALL are not invited to do that.]
Every time the gospel is preached properly men are commanded to repent and believe. Your statement is without foundation.
It is not easy for people to give up their cherished ideas, no matter how false. On the other hand, the whole point of being a Christian is to love the truth....you are merely giving lip service to the reality of the verse. BE HONEST.
I agree.It is not easy for people to give up their cherished ideas, no matter how false. On the other hand, the whole point of being a Christian is to love the truth.
Men are responsible for their sin, that is the honest truth. A sermon presented properly with an Adam who died in the fall, {he was not just slightly wounded} leaves man with no hope outside of Christ, who saves sinners.You can throw in a bible verse and try to say that it fits your theology; but it is clear to anyone with eyes to see that your theology is contradicted by the verse.
When your theology is looked at as a whole, it becomes clear that Acts 17:30-31 does not fit into what you believe in; you are merely giving lip service to the reality of the verse. BE HONEST.
You have not answered one post directly addressed to you, 400 posts later, you have not made your point or answered dozens of posts. Yet you will not own up to it.It is not easy for people to give up their cherished ideas, no matter how false. On the other hand, the whole point of being a Christian is to love the truth.
Yes I have, and you can check them out for yourself. And some posts need no response, while others get detailed scriptural responses.You have not answered one post directly addressed to you, 400 posts later, you have not made your point or answered dozens of posts. Yet you will not own up to it.
Yes I have, and you can check them out for yourself. And some posts need no response, while others get detailed scriptural responses.
You can throw in a bible verse and try to say that it fits your theology; but it is clear to anyone with eyes to see that your theology is contradicted by the verse.
When your theology is looked at as a whole, it becomes clear that Acts 17:30-31 does not fit into what you believe in; you are merely giving lip service to the reality of the verse. BE HONEST.
Thank you, that actually speaks to me.God commanded Israel to keep His Law. Those who didn't, paid for it. He knew they couldn't, yet kept their feet to the fire.
The Christ told the adulterous women in John 8, "Go and sin no more." Now, no doubt she sinned after this, as none can reach sinlessness in this fleshly body, but He commanded her to "Go and sin no more."
We are commanded to "Be ye holy, even as I am holy." Hey, He commanded us to be as holy as He is, so I guess we are every bit as holy as He is, right? Right?
Thank you, that actually speaks to me.
I will add my reason for believing you,
Isa 22:12, And in that day did the Lord GOD of hosts call to weeping, and to mourning, and to baldness, and to girding with sackcloth:
Isa 22:13, And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die.
Isa 22:14, And it was revealed in mine ears by the LORD of hosts, Surely this iniquity shall not be purged from you till ye die, saith the Lord GOD of hosts.
But then, I wonder how the following applies:
Heb 1:3, Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 10:1, For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2, For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:4, For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:11, And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
1Jo 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
But then, I wonder how the following applies:
Heb 1:3, Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 10:1, For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Heb 10:2, For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Heb 10:4, For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:11, And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
1Jo 3:5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
Tit 2:14, Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
If I may be so bold, I would like to point out there are two occurrences of "the whole world" in the book of 1 John.Upgrade your hermeneutical principles and ask "How is this phrase used throughout Scripture?" Contextually
throughout Scripture it does not mean every single person that had ever lived. We can determine the same for the word "all" as it rarely if ever means every single person ever when speaking in soteriological contexts.
From a historical and cultural interpretation it, "the whole world" means all other nations, tongues, tribes &c other than just the Jews.
We are not of the world, neither is Jesus. Salvation was only of the Jews until God fulfilled the promise to Abraham that all nations (gentiles) would be blessed in him. World = sin in many cases. Whole world also = not just Jews but gentiles too.If I may be so bold, I would like to point out there are two occurrences of "the whole world" in the book of 1 John.
First occurrence:
and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for [those of] the whole world.
(1 John 2:2)
Second occurrence:
We know that we are of God, and that the whole world lies in [the power of] the evil one.
(1 John 5:19)
Because of this, what Preacher4Truth wrote, "from a historical and cultural interpretation it, 'the whole world' means all other nations, tongues, tribes &c other than just the Jews" is truth, and I would add "as well as a Biblical understanding" to the "from a historical and cultural interpretation it" since believers in the Lord Jesus Christ do not lie in the evil one; therefore, the whole world can not be every person. What Preacher4Truth wrote fits both 1 John 2:2 and 1 John 5:19.