If God is ONE person as you assume, that person must split to become the son, and split again to become the Holy Spirit = psychosis.
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that's your big problem, he is the equal "share" in flesh. question cannot God be in flesh and in Spirit at the same time yes or No?
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So much of Scripture's revelation of the Divine Persons is from the pen of John the Apostle.
dave are you still here? we're waiting on your answer to post #1182. it only a yes or no, no math involved.
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well that split personality lie has come to an end. now the believers in the trinity must now contend with how God dwelled in that flesh and be God at the same time if he made himself abased, or null of his powers.
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GINOLJC, TO ALL.
Phi 2:6 " Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".
many christian has not really understood this verse. the term "being" here in the verse means, 1. existence. 2 the nature or essence of a person. so, the verse so far can be read, "who existence or nature is. hold it there for a moment.
next part of the scripture, "in the form of God". form here is nature, which is Spirit. JESUS, who is God, the scripture so far can be read, "who existence or nature is the Holy Spirit". now the next part of the verse. "thought it not robbery to be equal with God. HOLD it, revelation time. the first half of the verse establish JESUS as God, so how can God be equal with his ownself? answer, unless he's another of himself, in another form ..... like in flesh, in a body. G243 allos "ANOTHER" establish this fact for us. for G243 Allos denote a "numerical difference" meaning more than one, but the "SAME" sort, meaning the same one. other words, another of of the same Spirit (hence the Spirit of Christ), same Spirit, but another of the same one Spirit in flesh, abased. but do we have a problem? for the scripture clearly state, Isa 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One". or, Isa 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?". the answer is NO ONE, meaning no other PERSON. (side note: this eliminates any PERSONS in the Godhead). so what gives here? only God is equal with his ownself. for there is no one greater. as he said before, I swear by myself, for there is no one greater. so G243 allos clearly bring this revelation out. God is another of himself in flesh, ... as a or in likeness as a man.
this also clear up John 1:1b when he writes "the Word was "with" God. because God is now in another... G243 allos form.
the apostle Paul when writing this epistle knew that JESUS was God in flesh, as well as the apostle John. hence we have this verse in this epistle.
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Phi 2:6 " Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God".
many christian has not really understood this verse. the term "being" here in the verse means, 1. existence. 2 the nature or essence of a person. so, the verse so far can be read, "who existence or nature is. hold it there for a moment.
next part of the scripture, "in the form of God". form here is nature, which is Spirit. JESUS, who is God, the scripture so far can be read, "who existence or nature is the Holy Spirit". now the next part of the verse. "thought it not robbery to be equal with God. HOLD it, revelation time. the first half of the verse establish JESUS as God, so how can God be equal with his ownself? answer, unless he's another of himself, in another form ..... like in flesh, in a body. G243 allos "ANOTHER" establish this fact for us. for G243 Allos denote a "numerical difference" meaning more than one, but the "SAME" sort, meaning the same one. other words, another of of the same Spirit (hence the Spirit of Christ), same Spirit, but another of the same one Spirit in flesh, abased. but do we have a problem? for the scripture clearly state, Isa 40:25 "To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One". or, Isa 46:5 "To whom will ye liken me, and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be like?". the answer is NO ONE, meaning no other PERSON. (side note: this eliminates any PERSONS in the Godhead). so what gives here? only God is equal with his ownself. for there is no one greater. as he said before, I swear by myself, for there is no one greater. so G243 allos clearly bring this revelation out. God is another of himself in flesh, ... as a or in likeness as a man.
this also clear up John 1:1b when he writes "the Word was "with" God. because God is now in another... G243 allos form.
the apostle Paul when writing this epistle knew that JESUS was God in flesh, as well as the apostle John. hence we have this verse in this epistle.
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Jesus the Christ is the TRUE VINE, yea, he, JESUS is the Husbandman
GINOLJC, to all
scripture, John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman".
many say God, the term "GOD" consist of three persons, is this true? scripture, Isaiah 46:9 "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me”. I AM GOD? ... yes, "I" is a single desigination as well as "me" in this verse.
but the question arises is Jesus the True vine according to John 15:1 and is he the Husbandman the same person? let's see.
Jeremiah 2:19 "Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts". HOLD IT, the LORD all cap is God, and the Lord is God, is this two separate persons?, let's see.
Jeremiah 2:20 "For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.
Jeremiah 2:21 "Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?
Jeremiah 2:22 "For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.
HOLD IT, STOP the press. THINK, is not the ONE who plant, and do the work is the husbandman? yes, so how can the Lord be the vine and the ONE who plant, and do the work?
clearly, verses 21-22 identify the "Lord", as the Husbandman. is not Jesus the Christ, the "Lord", the vine in John 15:1. and he said that his, his, his, Father is the Husbandman. well can the Lord Jesus lie? no, God forbid, so what gives.... (smile). how can the LORD and the Lord be the same person...........
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GINOLJC, to all
scripture, John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman".
many say God, the term "GOD" consist of three persons, is this true? scripture, Isaiah 46:9 "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me”. I AM GOD? ... yes, "I" is a single desigination as well as "me" in this verse.
but the question arises is Jesus the True vine according to John 15:1 and is he the Husbandman the same person? let's see.
Jeremiah 2:19 "Thine own wickedness shall correct thee, and thy backslidings shall reprove thee: know therefore and see that it is an evil thing and bitter, that thou hast forsaken the LORD thy God, and that my fear is not in thee, saith the Lord GOD of hosts". HOLD IT, the LORD all cap is God, and the Lord is God, is this two separate persons?, let's see.
Jeremiah 2:20 "For of old time I have broken thy yoke, and burst thy bands; and thou saidst, I will not transgress; when upon every high hill and under every green tree thou wanderest, playing the harlot.
Jeremiah 2:21 "Yet I had planted thee a noble vine, wholly a right seed: how then art thou turned into the degenerate plant of a strange vine unto me?
Jeremiah 2:22 "For though thou wash thee with nitre, and take thee much soap, yet thine iniquity is marked before me, saith the Lord GOD.
HOLD IT, STOP the press. THINK, is not the ONE who plant, and do the work is the husbandman? yes, so how can the Lord be the vine and the ONE who plant, and do the work?
clearly, verses 21-22 identify the "Lord", as the Husbandman. is not Jesus the Christ, the "Lord", the vine in John 15:1. and he said that his, his, his, Father is the Husbandman. well can the Lord Jesus lie? no, God forbid, so what gives.... (smile). how can the LORD and the Lord be the same person...........
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Jesus is God almighty the Holy Spirit.
“THE BEGINNING”, who is he?
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
the Revelation, or the knowledge, and understanding who the Lord Jesus is.
Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Jesus is the Beginning, the one and true person, it's everywhere in your bible, example,
Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female”,
Who made all things? John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made”.
If the Lord Jesus didn’t make it, it was not made. And he was by himself.
Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
HOLD IT, was not it the “LORD” all cap who laid the foundation of the earth? Let’s see, Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him”. one more, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Isaiah 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
it is crystal clear that the first, the alpha and the Last, the omega who is the beginning and the end is the Lord Jesus.
WAITE, the “LORD” all caps is the First and the Last? Yes, that’s the Lord Jesus who is the first and the Last, the same person, read Isaiah 48:12 & 13 again. he said I am "ALSO", also indicading the same person.
The First is the “beginning”, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, who is the Lord Jesus glorified now in flesh. The Lord is the “LORD” who is the almighty God, the Beginning.
diversified oneness is all over the bible, right in front of our noses.
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“THE BEGINNING”, who is he?
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
the Revelation, or the knowledge, and understanding who the Lord Jesus is.
Revelation 22:13 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Jesus is the Beginning, the one and true person, it's everywhere in your bible, example,
Matthew 19:3 "The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female”,
Who made all things? John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made”.
If the Lord Jesus didn’t make it, it was not made. And he was by himself.
Hebrews 1:10 "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
HOLD IT, was not it the “LORD” all cap who laid the foundation of the earth? Let’s see, Zechariah 12:1 "The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him”. one more, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Isaiah 48:13 "Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
it is crystal clear that the first, the alpha and the Last, the omega who is the beginning and the end is the Lord Jesus.
WAITE, the “LORD” all caps is the First and the Last? Yes, that’s the Lord Jesus who is the first and the Last, the same person, read Isaiah 48:12 & 13 again. he said I am "ALSO", also indicading the same person.
The First is the “beginning”, the Spirit, the Holy Spirit, who is the Lord Jesus glorified now in flesh. The Lord is the “LORD” who is the almighty God, the Beginning.
diversified oneness is all over the bible, right in front of our noses.
PICJAG
Jesus the Holy Spirit in Flesh.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
this is one of the most "Diversified Oneness" scriptures of the NT.
the spirit that's in the flesh, here at John 1:1 is God's own "SHARED" Spirit, that G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself while in the flesh. for the Shared Spirit, not a split Spirit, nor a divided Spirit, but the equally "shared" Spirit was "WITH" the Spirit, meaning in the Spirit world as GOD, but is now "WITH" us in this flesh world. for John 1:1c is so correct, "and the Word was God". was is a past tense desigination, here meaning before being made lower, or G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself while in the flesh, he is God almighty. so the term "was God" which John here use is correct.
this is the consolation of Israel that the prophet spoke about. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". a counsellor gives advice
H3289 יָעַץ ya`ats (yaw-ats') v.
1. to advise.
2. (reflexively) to deliberate or resolve.
[a primitive root]
KJV: advertise, take advise, advise (well), consult, (give, take) counsel(-lor), determine, devise, guide, purpose.
a person who gives advice, is synonyms with the term "HELPER". scripture, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous".
here, the term Advocate is,
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822
this is the same word used in John 14:16 for the Comforter to come which is the Holy Spirit Jesus. and it clearly Identifies the one who helps or intercede for us in prayer scripture, Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God". YES, our MEDIATOR, the Lord Jesus the Holy Spirit our intercessor
NT scriptures plainly reveals the diversity of God the Holy Spirit "shared" in Flesh.
PICJAG.
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
this is one of the most "Diversified Oneness" scriptures of the NT.
the spirit that's in the flesh, here at John 1:1 is God's own "SHARED" Spirit, that G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself while in the flesh. for the Shared Spirit, not a split Spirit, nor a divided Spirit, but the equally "shared" Spirit was "WITH" the Spirit, meaning in the Spirit world as GOD, but is now "WITH" us in this flesh world. for John 1:1c is so correct, "and the Word was God". was is a past tense desigination, here meaning before being made lower, or G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') himself while in the flesh, he is God almighty. so the term "was God" which John here use is correct.
this is the consolation of Israel that the prophet spoke about. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace". a counsellor gives advice
H3289 יָעַץ ya`ats (yaw-ats') v.
1. to advise.
2. (reflexively) to deliberate or resolve.
[a primitive root]
KJV: advertise, take advise, advise (well), consult, (give, take) counsel(-lor), determine, devise, guide, purpose.
a person who gives advice, is synonyms with the term "HELPER". scripture, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous".
here, the term Advocate is,
G3875 παράκλητος parakletos (pa-ra'-klee-tos) n.
1. (properly) one called near (to give help).
2. an intercessor (one who entreats of behalf of another).
3. a comforter.
[(not given)]
KJV: advocate, comforter
Root(s): G3844, G2822
this is the same word used in John 14:16 for the Comforter to come which is the Holy Spirit Jesus. and it clearly Identifies the one who helps or intercede for us in prayer scripture, Romans 8:26 "Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Romans 8:27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God". YES, our MEDIATOR, the Lord Jesus the Holy Spirit our intercessor
NT scriptures plainly reveals the diversity of God the Holy Spirit "shared" in Flesh.
PICJAG.
Jesus the Holy Spirit in "Glorified" Flesh, the Comforter who came on Pentecost.
Scripture, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".
the Lord Jesus said, "I will come to you", meaning his disciples. this is audience relevance. and the Lord Jesus said, that he, the Holy Spirit .... John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:22 "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?.
notice this manifestation is not an "Apperance", but a MANIFESTATION in Spirit, this is important. after our Lord's death he "Appeared" to them in flesh and bones, (no blood). Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".
side note: all that nonesense that angels had sex with women is debunked here by out Lord. spirit, angels don't have flesh and bone, nor blood. so Genesis Chapter 6 is debunked by our Lord and Saviour.
but by appearing to his desciples, they know now that the resurrection is true. ok, good, but what about the thing Judas asked, scripture. John 14:22 "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?". this is one of the most important question asked in the NT. the question "HOW" will you manifest?. notice "HOW" Jesus will manifest himself.
answer, Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
this is how, for the "Speaking of tongue" is a manifestation of the Spirit. supportive scripture.
1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. (There's that manifestation that Judas was speaking of in John 14).
1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1 Corinthians 12:9 "To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1 Corinthians 12:10 "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
on the day of Pentecost, the diciples was "Speaking in other tongues", which is a "MANIFESTATION" of the COMFORTER, the Holy Spirit.
this is the "MANIFESTATION" that Judas aske about. and the world did not see it, but the disciples did, in the gift.
here we have JESUS, who is the Holy Spirit "MANIFESTING" himself in a "Gift" just as he said. he manifested in the spiritual gifts of other tongue. for the Lord Jesus cannot lie, John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you". and he did in the Spiritual Gifts.
PICJAG.
Scripture, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 "Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you".
the Lord Jesus said, "I will come to you", meaning his disciples. this is audience relevance. and the Lord Jesus said, that he, the Holy Spirit .... John 14:21 "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 14:22 "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?.
notice this manifestation is not an "Apperance", but a MANIFESTATION in Spirit, this is important. after our Lord's death he "Appeared" to them in flesh and bones, (no blood). Luke 24:39 "Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have".
side note: all that nonesense that angels had sex with women is debunked here by out Lord. spirit, angels don't have flesh and bone, nor blood. so Genesis Chapter 6 is debunked by our Lord and Saviour.
but by appearing to his desciples, they know now that the resurrection is true. ok, good, but what about the thing Judas asked, scripture. John 14:22 "Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?". this is one of the most important question asked in the NT. the question "HOW" will you manifest?. notice "HOW" Jesus will manifest himself.
answer, Acts 2:1 "And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Acts 2:2 "And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Acts 2:3 "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Acts 2:4 "And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
this is how, for the "Speaking of tongue" is a manifestation of the Spirit. supportive scripture.
1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. (There's that manifestation that Judas was speaking of in John 14).
1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1 Corinthians 12:9 "To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1 Corinthians 12:10 "To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1 Corinthians 12:11 "But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
on the day of Pentecost, the diciples was "Speaking in other tongues", which is a "MANIFESTATION" of the COMFORTER, the Holy Spirit.
this is the "MANIFESTATION" that Judas aske about. and the world did not see it, but the disciples did, in the gift.
here we have JESUS, who is the Holy Spirit "MANIFESTING" himself in a "Gift" just as he said. he manifested in the spiritual gifts of other tongue. for the Lord Jesus cannot lie, John 14:18 "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you". and he did in the Spiritual Gifts.
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You still wind up with one person having a split personality. Scripture says God is one Spirit being with three persons.
your split personality is YOU that cannot understand. our brother James was right, James 1:8 "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways".
you cannot contribuite to a conversation. if you can and want to Reconcicle John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24, untill then your point is mute.
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You cannot understand the passages you challenge me to reconcile. If you could, there would be no challenge.
no, it's easy, as a matter of fact too easy to understand. all these months and you cannot come up with a good error?... (smile). well your answer please?. ...
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You cannot understand the bible apart from the doctrine of the trinity.no, it's easy, as a matter of fact too easy to understand. all these months and you cannot come up with a good error?... (smile). well your answer please?. ...
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You cannot understand scripture in the New Covenant sense apart from the trinity. You are trying to Judaise the New Covenant with your pharisaic ideas about God.
If you force a pharisaic interpretation of God into the New Covenant, there's not much hope for you in knowing the truth.
but you have no answer. either in a Pharisees knowledge, nor Godly understanding.... still no answer.
Look dave if you want to hold a vain conversatation, that' what facebook and twitter are for.
if you cannot answer the reconciling of John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 there is no need for you to contuine.
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