Dreams

farouk · Mar 22, 2019

Dave L said:
I dream often, probably every night. I think God tests us with dreams. And Iv'e even prayed before that he would keep me on track in my dreams. So I always thank him for not putting me in compromising situations while I sleep dreaming the night away. Pleasant dreams? Yes and a real blessing. I also dream scripture in my inner Dave voice and have gotten up to take notes so I can remember it.

My dreams are so confusing! I have difficulty in attaching a lot of importance to them, although in the cold light of day our memories may have been stirred by something we dreamed, and so we might then benefit from considering something factual about the content.

CoreIssue · Mar 22, 2019

farouk said:
My dreams are so confusing! I have difficulty in attaching a lot of importance to them, although in the cold light of day our memories may have been stirred by something we dreamed, and so we might then benefit from considering something factual about the content.

It is factual dreams are a mechanism for blowing off steam and trying to make sense of things.

The odds of a dream being from God is very small.

farouk · Mar 22, 2019

CoreIssue said:
It is factual dreams are a mechanism for blowing off steam and trying to make sense of things.

The odds of a dream being from God is very small.

I'm sure this is true.

Mike Dwight · Mar 22, 2019

The deadgirl from The Ring has me in an attic and stabs a pencil in my Heart! Its like a wetdream for hearts, I don't have them any more.

farouk · Mar 22, 2019

@Mike Dwight Do you pay a lot of attention to dreams? I don't, myself.

Revealed Scripture is what really interests me!

aspen · Mar 22, 2019

Hidden In Him said:
Wow... I'm not quick to interpret anymore, because I came to the place of considering most of what the typical Christian receives to be uninspired. But this one has a distinct feature I don't see very often aspen, and that's the part about being told what something is during the dream. That in and of itself wouldn't necessarily make it inspired, but combined with the content it makes things interesting.

So let me take a stab at it. I essentially know what it means if it is from God, because I have a copy of a vision that essentially teaches the same thing. It's talking about a future where worldly philosophies are going to try to "kill" off Christian thought and influence altogether in the Western world (including in America).

Ok, line by line:
- "time-lapsed clouds racing in the sky and me standing in an empty field with Greek or Roman ruins in the distance." = "time-lapsed clouds racing" is an allusion to the speeding up of time, and the Greek and Roman ruins represents the Western world, which is built upon the Greek and Roman civilizations. In other worlds, the dream is about the future of the Western world.
- "I was suddenly drawn extremely close to the ruins and there was a lion sitting on top of one of the columns. He was extremely frightening and loud. I was told in my dream that the ruins were human knowledge and the lion ruled over it." = This is an obvious allusion to 1 Peter 5:8 and Genesis 2:9. Satan is a roaring lion going about seeking those whom he can destroy, and in the Genesis account he is the one who first led mankind to destruction by convincing Eve to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Humanistic philosophies are also alluded to by the columns in the Greek and Roman ruins, and scripture warns that worldly philosophies are also a danger (Colossians 2:8).
- "Then I saw a lamb in a field next to me, which look helpless, but unafraid. I tried to yell out to the lamb, but he did not hear me. The lion pounced and killed the lamb, but was unable to eat him. He tried and tried to eat the lamb, but he could not." = The Lamb here is Christ, i.e. the Word of God made flesh, so the Lion who rules over human knowledge killing the Word of God would mean Satan will completely kill off the use of the Word of God in Western society, likely through governmental and political influence (though this is admittedly supposition on my part). However, he will not be able to "eat" the Lamb, i.e. destroy the Word entirely. In other words, he will not be able to get rid of its existence; he will only be able to kill off its use and influence.
- "When he turned and noticed me, the lamb disappeared and the lion moved towards me. I was petrified and he leaped at me......but is was not to be; the lion was stopped by two strands of bobbed wire separating the fields. The wire was not even the height of the lion, but he was unable to pass. He continued to try over and over again. The dream ended when I was returned to the middle of the field I started in." = You being returned to the field you started in represents being returned to the present. You in this dream likely represent the church, aspen. I don't want to make too much out of it, but in a dream with a broad scope like this the Christian receiving the dream usually represents the church, or at least the obedient portion of the church that poses a threat to Satan, which he will try to attack. I noticed both you and the Lamb are in other fields from the Lion. This likely represents the church, which is described in scripture as the flock of the Great Shepherd, imagery which is also suggested here by Christ being represented as a Lamb. So the meaning is, Satan will try to attack the Word of God present in the church once he has eliminated its influence completely in the world. The two strands of barbed wire "separating the fields" from each other represents something that protects that the word of God in the church from Satan's power. I would have to pray about what those two strands represent.

Again, I can't promise you this dream is inspired. I'm simply giving you what the interpretation likely is if it is. But let me see if I can't find you the vision I was alluding to that teaches the same thing. I'll post it to this thread when I have some time later.

Blessings in Christ, aspen, and thanks for sharing your dream.
Hidden

This is a rich interpretation - thank you for putting in the time to respond. I thought my own interpretation was pretty good, but yours adds a lot to my own

amadeus · Mar 22, 2019

CoreIssue said:
No disrespect but how do you know it was from God? After all, why would he communicate that to you?

"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;" II Cor 5:18

Whether it is of the right or of the left hand of God is another thing, is it not? I also over the years have received a number of dreams which were without doubt in my mind from God... from the right hand of God to help me make the right choices. Not all of my dreams were like that.

amadeus · Mar 22, 2019

CoreIssue said:
All I'm saying is what you said is not the biblical norms.

But surely it is the "biblical norm" for one designated a dreamer by his own carnal brothers, such as Joseph, son of Jacob/Israel?

CoreIssue · Mar 22, 2019

amadeus said:
"And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;" II Cor 5:18

Whether is of the right or of the left hand of God is another thing, is it not? I also over the years have received a number of dreams which were without doubt in my mind from God... from the right hand of God to help me make the right choices. Not all of my dreams were like that.

Yes, all things are of God. Including Cults, false doctrine, demons and Satan.

He wants us and expects us to learn and pay attention to what he says.

CoreIssue · Mar 22, 2019

amadeus said:
But surely it is the "biblical norm" for one designated a dreamer by his own carnal brothers, such as Joseph, son of Jacob/Israel?

In that case it was verified the Bible.

Not so today.

amadeus · Mar 22, 2019

CoreIssue said:
In that case it was verified the Bible.

Not so today.

Some dreams today have been verified where God saw fit to verify them. Not every verification is necessary to every person. We are NOT all the same part of the Body of Christ. Each of us has his own place and function. Jesus as the Head should know them all and where appropriate He may make other parts aware, but who has all the knowledge and perception of the Head?

Phoneman777 · Mar 22, 2019

Alexandria Ocasio Cortez thought for years that voices from above spoke to her while she dreamed......until one day she realized they had been her high school and college teachers.

Naomi25 · Mar 22, 2019

CoreIssue said:
Joel was an ancient Israelite, so forget trying to put church on him in any way.

So...according to you, when Paul said:

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. -Romans 9:6–8

And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. -Galatians 3:29

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, -Romans 11:17

But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. -Galatians 3:25–28

For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. -2 Corinthians 1:20

..we are to totally discount any of it, because he couldn't have meant what he says, when he claims that in Christ, believers are 'heirs of promise'. Instead, by your reasoning, because the original promises to Abraham...a Jew...was to Jews, Paul's promises that this was now, through Christ, also to all those IN Christ...is nonsense.

Except...Paul DOES say all that. He DOES apply those Abrahamic promises to the Church. So...reasoning that because Peter used a prophecy that was originally spoken by Joel..a Jew, and therefore it is only FOR Jews, doesn't stand the test of scripture itself, or how the Apostles apply it.

Pentecost was for the Jews, not church.

Pentecost was for everyone. Pentecost WAS for the Jews, because the early Church started with Jews. But there is no way you can deny that Pentecost was the start of the Church Age, when God chose to send the Helper in a very distinct way, different than any other time in history. And as soon as that happened, first to the Disciples, then to all the other Jews standing there, then those people there were 'Christians'...they were "In Christ". Did what Joel prophecy apply to them? Sure. But when other, Gentiles, began coming to Christ, it also applyed to them. How can I say so with assurance? Because Paul tells me....once "In Christ" we are one people, and all walls and divisions come down. And that while at one point Gentiles might have been 'strangers' to the promises and benefits of the commonwealth of Israel (Eph 2:12), now:

So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, -Ephesians 2:19

Simple fact is acts was not the fulfillment of Joel. Seen in a giant locust running around lately?

Seen any "giant locust" in the passage?

“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ -Acts 2:17–21

It does not say every child who belongs to God. It says sons and daughters of Israel.

It does not. It says "I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh". Not "Israel", but "all flesh". Now...there are two ways to interpret that...either...all flesh means every single person on the planet...which is doubtful, because everything else in scripture leads us to understand that only people who come to a saving faith in Christ receive the Holy Spirit....which leads us to the second interpretation....'all flesh' means 'all those who believe in Christ'.

aspen · Mar 22, 2019

Just an observation....

It is funny to watch you guys talk endlessly ABOUT dreams, but not about your experience with dreams. We seem to live life from the bench.......I want to to encourage you to jump into the topic...it’s ok! Really

Same goes with our relationship with God - stop evaluating it and start experiencing it without opinion

CoreIssue · Mar 22, 2019

Naomi25 said:
So...according to you, when Paul said:

But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. -Romans 9:6–8

And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. -Galatians 3:29

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, -Romans 11:17

But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. -Galatians 3:25–28

For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory. -2 Corinthians 1:20

..we are to totally discount any of it, because he couldn't have meant what he says, when he claims that in Christ, believers are 'heirs of promise'. Instead, by your reasoning, because the original promises to Abraham...a Jew...was to Jews, Paul's promises that this was now, through Christ, also to all those IN Christ...is nonsense.

Except...Paul DOES say all that. He DOES apply those Abrahamic promises to the Church. So...reasoning that because Peter used a prophecy that was originally spoken by Joel..a Jew, and therefore it is only FOR Jews, doesn't stand the test of scripture itself, or how the Apostles apply it.

Pentecost was for everyone. Pentecost WAS for the Jews, because the early Church started with Jews. But there is no way you can deny that Pentecost was the start of the Church Age, when God chose to send the Helper in a very distinct way, different than any other time in history. And as soon as that happened, first to the Disciples, then to all the other Jews standing there, then those people there were 'Christians'...they were "In Christ". Did what Joel prophecy apply to them? Sure. But when other, Gentiles, began coming to Christ, it also applyed to them. How can I say so with assurance? Because Paul tells me....once "In Christ" we are one people, and all walls and divisions come down. And that while at one point Gentiles might have been 'strangers' to the promises and benefits of the commonwealth of Israel (Eph 2:12), now:

So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, -Ephesians 2:19

Seen any "giant locust" in the passage?

“‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares,
that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh,
and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
and your young men shall see visions,
and your old men shall dream dreams;
even on my male servants and female servants
in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy.
And I will show wonders in the heavens above
and signs on the earth below,
blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke;
the sun shall be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood,
before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day.
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’ -Acts 2:17–21

It does not. It says "I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh". Not "Israel", but "all flesh". Now...there are two ways to interpret that...either...all flesh means every single person on the planet...which is doubtful, because everything else in scripture leads us to understand that only people who come to a saving faith in Christ receive the Holy Spirit....which leads us to the second interpretation....'all flesh' means 'all those who believe in Christ'.

Does not change the fact Joel was not fulfilled at Pentecost.

I understand you really dislike rapture and dispensationalism.

Joel is a prophecy to Israel, not the church.

Joel 2:25 New International Version (NIV)
25 “I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten—
the great locust and the young locust,
the other locusts and the locust swarma]">[a]—
my great army that I sent among you.

Joel 2:27-32 New International Version (NIV)

27 Then you will know that I am in Israel,
that I am the Lord your God,
and that there is no other;
never again will my people be shamed.

The Day of the Lord
28 “And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
29 Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
30 I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
31 The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
32 And everyone who calls
on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
whom the Lord calls.a]">[a]

Day of the Lord, not Pentecost. During the tribulation.

No church present.

Nancy · Mar 22, 2019

aspen said:
God appears to speak to people through dreams; have you experienced this? Has God provided direction or comfort to you in your sleep? Is dream interpretation a gift from God or is it dangerous?

What is your experience with dreams?

It has been many years since I have even remembered my dreams. Not a very sound sleeper, never was but, I USED to remember my dreams...no longer

aspen · Mar 22, 2019

Nancy said:
It has been many years since I have even remembered my dreams. Not a very sound sleeper, never was but, I USED to remember my dreams...no longer

I write mine down, even if i can only remember a tiny detail. The more I do it, the more I remember

Nancy · Mar 22, 2019

aspen said:
I write mine down, even if i can only remember a tiny detail. The more I do it, the more I remember

I don't even remember actually having a dream much less tiny details, lol. Just, nothing! Kind of weird...maybe I'll have to look into that!

lforrest · Mar 22, 2019

aspen said:
God appears to speak to people through dreams; have you experienced this? Has God provided direction or comfort to you in your sleep? Is dream interpretation a gift from God or is it dangerous?

What is your experience with dreams?

Yes to all of the above. To elaborate: I have had some dreams that are from God and many more I do not believe are from God. Usually if one speaks to me, it is like how a work of art speaks. Direction provided was not in the form of instructions, but of knowledge which prompted me to respond. As for how they make me feel, they are seldom comforting but there are exceptions where comforting appears to be the purpose. Dream interpretation is a prophetic gift, such as exhibited by Daniel. There is a danger of jumping to the wrong conclusion and acting on it. Or more seriously if the dream has demonic origins of making things worse.

Helen · Mar 22, 2019

aspen said:
Just an observation....

It is funny to watch you guys talk endlessly ABOUT dreams, but not about your experience with dreams. We seem to live life from the bench.......I want to to encourage you to jump into the topic...it’s ok! Really

Same goes with our relationship with God - stop evaluating it and start experiencing it without opinion

Amen.
I tried to write about my experiences,...and was glad to see Hidden in Him jump in here too.

But Ron , I often think that when reading dozens of post on here each day!!
People seem to enjoy talking ABOUT God, but very few write about their experience WITH Him.

Bless you...good thread.

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