We Don't Know NOTHING ... Because We're Stupid And Lazy

Bobby Jo said:

Scripture DOES teach the concept of a week of 1,000 year increments simply by comparing Prophetic Scripture with World History.

As for the "cults", there are many who deny the things of GOD, and there are others which twist the things of GOD, much like the 39 "Heavens Gate" Nike® wearing cult members who killed themselves in the expectation that they would arise to the tail of the Hale-Bopp comet. This was actually a Scripturally based prophetic event, -- but NOT what these poor misled individual believed.


Please beware: Not all who profess Biblical aspects are "Christians" (capital "C"). Some are merely christians (small "c").


Bobby Jo

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Not exactly. A week prophetically can be anything.

The MK is what is said to be 1000 years. But we do not know exactly how much time is left after Satan's released from the pit until the end of the time.

The church age ends at the rapture. But there is at least seven years from the rapture until the beginning of the MK.

We are already 2000 years from the first coming of Christ.

We have no idea how long Adam and Eve were in the garden.

From Adam and Eve leaving the garden to the flood was at least 1000 years.

We do not know the exact time from the Flood until Christ.

I know a lot of people have tried to constructive a timeline, but there are suppositions in those efforts.

And remember the Jewish calendar was different from the Julian. How do you adjust for that?

Looking at all the presentations humanity has been here more than 6000 years. How much longer? No idea.

In any way you added it up, it is not going to end after 7000 years.

Speaking from the Bible, it actually doesn't matter.

Wow, Bobby Jo! You certainly came out with all guns blazing at once, didn't you?

I see at least 3 points you are trying to make: 1. We may not know the day or hour, but we can know the season (including everything from the week up to the millennia)
2. We are to be full participants and actively be involved in the Church.
3. Pastors (whether that be some, many or all; I didn't see you make a distinction) are hirings from seminaries who preach lies...

Do I got that right? I'll be happy to discuss these points, but I want to make sure I am understanding you correctly.

Bobby Jo said:

If you're really interested in knowing when events appear to be forthcoming, it might help to establish some confidence by looking at events which have been fulfilled. Specifically, you might want to consider the premise proposed by J.R. Church (now deceased, former co-host of the TV program "Prophecy In The News") in his 1985 book "Hidden Prophecies In The Psalms".


Unfortunately, given my past experience in Forums, people want to be breast fed instead of doing the work of chewing. And so this "reply" is more than likely a waste of time, -- but we're told to sew the seeds, so I do.


Bobby Jo

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Which prophetic school of thought does he promote: Jesuit Preterism, Jesuit Futurism, or Protestant Historicism?

Bobby Jo said:

Yeah, pretty much. So let me start with a simple question: -- According to what we're told, was Jesus perfect? A simple yes or no will suffice!


Bobby Jo

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Maybe I will answer that some other time. I'd rather comment on the points made in the OP. I'll start with the first one.

Jesus said in the 24th chapter of Matthew that of that day and hour no man knoweth. The entire chapter is filled with warning signs and time stamps. So by these we do get an idea of when the end of the world (whatever is meant by that) will come. Most of the things mentioned have been going on since the days of Jesus and before. They are of little help.

There are two interesting points though: this gospel shall be preached in all the world, and the parable of the fig tree ( which many believe to for tell of Isael becoming a nation again in 1948 or there about. So if these prophecies are correct, it is at least a fair assumption to suspect it may be soon.

Even so, there is more pertinent information in this chapter: that is, what to do about it.

Matthew 24:42-44 KJV
Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
[43] But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
[44] Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

It changed from not knowing the day and hour to just not knowing the hour. In any sense, the whole point of the chapter is not to try to figure out when it'll come (whether it be the hour, day, year, decade... On down the line); the point is to watch and be ready.

Basically, be ready for it to come tomorrow. If it doesn't be ready for the next day. In short, like in 2 Tim 4:2... Be instant in season and out of season.

Of course, the next important question is how to be ready? That's a whole other topic!

I'll try to cover the other points tomorrow.

Bobby Jo said:

I made an assertion that I have a Scriptural basis for information which you apparently don't have, and you accused me of being "Proud and Arrogant".

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You did make an assertion. Indeed you did. That everyone is stupid and lazy. Except for yourself of course.

And yep, I suggested that people who think they know everything are proud and arrogant. In fact I would take that a step further...anyone willing to come straight into a forum and say everyone there is stupid and lazy, (thinking he alone is omniscient ) is indeed proud and arrogant. Regardless of what you think you know.

But as to the actual knowledge of the day and hour of Christ's coming, it is obvious that while we may not know specifically now, we shall know enough at some time in the future to be not surprised by it.

Bobby Jo said:

Well that was real nice how you ignored one passage of Scripture (1 Thess. 5) in deference to a different passage of Scripture. Good Job.

Calvin did the same thing when he threw out Dan. 1:21 in deference to 10:1. So you're in good company at "buffet" christianity (small "c").



The fact is, Scripture provides a basis to KNOW THE YEAR, and the FEASTS provide the arrival down to the week. -- But if you're happy being surprised, then please be PLEASANTLY surprised.

1 Thess 5:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.​

Bobby Jo

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I have no problem with 1 These. 5. Let's have a look:

1 Thessalonians 5:2 KJV
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

In the first verse Paul said there was no reason for him to write to them concerning such. The reason is that they knew what was said in Mat 24. They had been taught already.

1 Thessalonians 5:4-5 KJV
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [5] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

It never says anywhere that they have knowledge of the hour, day, week, month, year or century. It says that the day of the Lord shall not overtake them. Unlike those in verse 3, they shall escape.

How is it going to be possible that they will not be overtaken? It's found in verse 6.

1 Thessalonians 5:6 KJV
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

This is pretty much the same thing Jesus said to do in Mat 24:42-44.

Here is another point: the day of the Lord didn't come during their era. Yet they were still told to watch. If they knew the year, season or millennia, there would be no reason to talk about it. Yet they were still told not to slothful in watching.

So again, they didn't know what season it would come. Only that when it does come they would escape as children of the day who watch.

Bobby Jo said:

The book's on Amazon. The concept is so simple you don't even need to buy the book. Just follow the premise. -- I hope you don't need a "drink" ...


I'm a guy,
Bobby Jo

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CoreIssue said:

Not exactly. A week prophetically can be anything.

The MK is what is said to be 1000 years. But we do not know exactly how much time is left after Satan's released from the pit until the end of the time.

The church age ends at the rapture. But there is at least seven years from the rapture until the beginning of the MK.

We are already 2000 years from the first coming of Christ.

We have no idea how long Adam and Eve were in the garden.

From Adam and Eve leaving the garden to the flood was at least 1000 years.

We do not know the exact time from the Flood until Christ.

I know a lot of people have tried to constructive a timeline, but there are suppositions in those efforts.

And remember the Jewish calendar was different from the Julian. How do you adjust for that?

Looking at all the presentations humanity has been here more than 6000 years. How much longer? No idea.

In any way you added it up, it is not going to end after 7000 years.

Speaking from the Bible, it actually doesn't matter.

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There's nothing wrong with the "7,000 years" idea, if you consider that we've been here 6,000 years, the Bible hints that the Second Coming will appear to "tarry" for a bit - a last good will gesture of our Lord to dying humanity of His desire that He "is not willing that any should perish, but that all would be saved", and then the post-Second Coming millennial reign of Christ and His saints up there while Satan and his demons remain confined as the sole survivors of His glorious return down here...until New Jerusalem is relocated to Earth for the final closing events of the great controversy between Christ and His enemies.

Phoneman777 said:

until New Jerusalem is relocated to Earth for the final closing events of the great controversy between Christ and His enemies.

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Christ says love your enemies, why would he not do what he commands us to do?

Waiting on him said:

Christ says love your enemies, why would he not do what he commands us to do?

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"The way of the transgressor is hard."
"There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked."

Just as our love for animals compels us to put down the injured, suffering horse that is beyond medical help, God in the end will make an end of all who have resisted His love to the point that they are forever beyond any hope of repentance. No eternal torment, annihilation.

Bobby Jo said:

Well that was real nice how you ignored one passage of Scripture (1 Thess. 5) in deference to a different passage of Scripture. Good Job.

Calvin did the same thing when he threw out Dan. 1:21 in deference to 10:1. So you're in good company at "buffet" christianity (small "c").



The fact is, Scripture provides a basis to KNOW THE YEAR, and the FEASTS provide the arrival down to the week. -- But if you're happy being surprised, then please be PLEASANTLY surprised.

1 Thess 5:2 For you yourselves know well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3 When people say, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as travail comes upon a woman with child, and there will be no escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brethren, for that day to surprise you like a thief.​

Bobby Jo

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Time frame, yes, year no. 15 years or less.

Feasts are fulfilled so they tell nothing.

Bobby Jo said:

You have no idea what the book says. Ok, let me help you:

The Book of Psalms is the 19th Book of the Bible, and is prophetic for the 1900's, Chapter for year, such that: Book 19, Chapter 44 == 1944 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 = 1948 International recognition of the State of Israel; Book 19, Chapter 91 = 1991 Desert Storm; etc. And the more you know about modern Jewish history (in context with Jewish society), the more the Chapters align.


Bobby Jo

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Thanks for sharing

Phoneman777 said:

There's nothing wrong with the "7,000 years" idea, if you consider that we've been here 6,000 years, the Bible hints that the Second Coming will appear to "tarry" for a bit - a last good will gesture of our Lord to dying humanity of His desire that He "is not willing that any should perish, but that all would be saved", and then the post-Second Coming millennial reign of Christ and His saints up there while Satan and his demons remain confined as the sole survivors of His glorious return down here...until New Jerusalem is relocated to Earth for the final closing events of the great controversy between Christ and His enemies.

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I'm not saying the ideas bad I'm just saying you can't prove it. Anymore than you can prove been here 6000 years and not longer.

A few centuries more or even 1000 years more.

Biblically speaking it doesn't matter.

CoreIssue said:

I'm not saying the ideas bad I'm just saying you can't prove it. Anymore than you can prove been here 6000 years and not longer.

A few centuries more or even 1000 years more.

Biblically speaking it doesn't matter.

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The evidence for a 6,000 year old Earth is in the Bible. What other proof do you need?

Why else to you think all that "begat begat begat" stuff is there, especially when God knew Satan's 19th century strategy to introduce evolution and its "billions and billions of years" idea?

Bobby Jo said:

You have no idea what the book says. Ok, let me help you:

The Book of Psalms is the 19th Book of the Bible, and is prophetic for the 1900's, Chapter for year, such that: Book 19, Chapter 44 == 1944 Holocaust; Book 19, Chapter 48 = 1948 International recognition of the State of Israel; Book 19, Chapter 91 = 1991 Desert Storm; etc. And the more you know about modern Jewish history (in context with Jewish society), the more the Chapters align.


Bobby Jo

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Your problem with that is the Bible is not divided into chapters and verses for a long time. Or the other of the books.

That's as bad as those into numerology. They're adamant as long as only one language is considered and one translation.