Israel is the Church

tzcho2 said:

Jesus is a Jew and Jesus is an Israeli--the Bible scripture reveals this truth.

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Jesus came down the line of Judah I thought and he is the King of Israel.

Israel being the Servants of God ?

God the Father and his only begotten Son, is the King of the Servants of God ?

Now who serves God ? the Jews of today ? well the Jew of today is lost as to their saviour and such is truly understood as Anti-Christ as a matter of fact, now anyone who does not understand that must be a fool or an Anti-Christ, because they clearly do not understand who Jesus truly is in fact.
So if such a one claims to be a Christian well clearly they are not, just as Jesus said that he did not know you. so if you do not know Jesus then how could Jesus Know you, because you never communed or abided with him.

The Jews back in the day 2000 years ago missed the boat because they were lead astray by a mob of Satanist that crept in, this mob undermined the Tribe of Israel and then undermined Judah what was left was only what's called the remainder of such, so they were dead ducks, a spent force and lead by Satanist, Jesus came along and they tried to kill him with their bag of tricks, just as such tried to kill Holy Moses. nothing has changed with the Jews of today as they are ruled by the same Satanist as back in the day. but their are always the remainder that are true to the OT and it's this few who if they truly understand and follow Holy Moses that have a hope, for they have the key to come see Jesus as Moses said and as 2000 years ago such Jews did come to Jesus and the rest missed the boat because they were mislead by Satan's works, just as it is nowadays the same cards are at play.

The Jews never had a hope as a people, it was the Prophets that were sent by God as a hope for the Jews and they were all killed by he Satanic mob that was in control of the Vineyard and then God sent his only begotten Son and the same worked to kill him.

Now who is it that controls the Jews nowadays ? good people of God or bad people of Satan ?
Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ is lost and anyone who does not abide in him is a Anti-Christ ? now most people who claim to be Christians nowadays are not serving the Lord Jesus at all, but are serving another like all the ones who claim to be looking for the second coming, well such people are truly lost !

The mystery of the ten lost tribes of Israel won't be understood by the world until Jesus returns. It will not be a mystery to those whom God has given to understand it in His written Word though, and the mystery unraveled is written there. The status quo today is for most Churches to preach around it, and/or against it.

The name 'Israel' is the Salvation name. God gave it through His Angel to Jacob when Jacob wrestled with the Angel of The LORD. It means 'to prevail with God's help'. Yet the name Jacob was still used after that event, and that is a type of 'listen up' Message in itself about the name Israel and its intended meaning.

After Solomon's days, God split old Israel into 2 separate kingdoms. He gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to rule over the ten northern tribes, and God made him king, his ruling city at Samaria in the north. Solomon's son, Rehoboam, of the house of David, of the tribe of Judah, became king over the southern kingdom of Judah, at Jerusalem. Both kingdoms had war against each other.

After this split, labels for the two different kingdoms become very important. If you don't pay attention to these labels, you won't know which kingdom is being spoken to or about:

Israel: (king Jeroboam of Ephraim as head: over tribes of Ephraim; Napthtali, Asher, Simeon, Gad, Manasseh, Zebulon, Issachar, Reuben, Dan)
1. "kingdom of Israel"
2. "house of Israel"
3. "Israel"
4. "house of Joseph"
5. "Ephraim"
6. "Samaria"
7. "stick of Ephraim"
8. "stick of Joseph"
9. "Aholah" (Ezek.23)

Judah: (king Rehoboam of Judah & house of David as head: over tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and some small remnants of the northern ten tribes that refused Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship and instead fled south to join with Judah.
1. "house of Judah"
2. "kingdom of Judah"
3. "Judah"
4. "Jerusalem"
5. "stick of Judah"
6. "Jews"
7. "Israel"
8. "Aholibah" (Ezek.23)


This split began in 1 Kings 11. By the time you get to 2 Kings 18, God had brought the kings of Assyria upon the northern ten tribe kingdom and removed them out of the land, to the lands of Assyria and lands of the Medes. The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said these were still scattered beyond Euphrates in his day, and were a great number, too many to be counted. The king of Assyria then did a thing he oft did when conquering a people; he brought peoples from five provinces of Babylon and put them into the northern lands where the ten tribes had been, and these transplanted foreigners became the NT Samaritans.

However, the "kingdom of Judah", the southern kingdom at Jerusalem, remained, and it continued. About 130 years later, God would send Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, upon the kingdom of Judah, and take them captive to Babylon for 70 years. After the 70 years, only a small remnant of them (from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and some foreigners) returned back to Jerusalem to build the city and wall again. The majority... of the house of Judah chose to stay... in Babylon, as God had promised He would take care of them there; they would increase, plant vineyards and build houses. So the majority of them stayed, and were then further scattered through the countries like Israel was. The main difference was that the ten tribe house of Israel lost... their heritage as Israelites! They became as... Gentiles. Even Judah doesn't know where all the ten tribes went and who they are today.

tzcho2 said:

Yes and there are many Jews just become a part of some church somewhere that we don't even know their Jewish heritage or they might go to Seminary & become Pastors, one who reads the O.T. in the original Hebrew. The nation of Israel is an amazing testament to God's lovingkindness, His righteous patient character, to His Protection, Omniscience, Power & Faithfulness , how Israel has grown and blossomed in such a short time. How God watches over the land of Israel is just a blessing to see for any awake Christian, and how God has blessed all races through the Jews by Jesus our Lord of course, but also by their Jewish high tech remarkable inventions. How those who hate Jews & are anti-zionist miss out on seeing the Bible prophesies taking shape & the Biblical unfolding of God's Plan & Purposes. Glory to God!

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The only reason why the so called Jews are in that Land is all due to mans works in fact and nothing to do with God at all.

Many a truly faithful Jews to the OT and Holy Moses, say that it's not Israel but you do know that they truly want it to become Israel in fact don't you.
Fact is that the true Jews hate what the State has become, because of the so called Zionist lording it over them with their Talmud whore creating un Godly trash everywhere homosexual and all sorts of depravity is rampant because of the Talmud whore and it's buddy the so called Zionist, who the true Jews despise and say that such does not represent them, because they are not stupid, but they are enslaved under this Satanic mob. just as are many Christians nowadays are.
The average Christian does not know this, because it's all hidden by the Media, many true Jews have marched in the streets opposing the Zionist saying that the Zionist do not represent them, because they are embarrass to be associated with the so called Zionist because they claim that they are just like the Nazis.

Davy said:

The mystery of the ten lost tribes of Israel won't be understood by the world until Jesus returns. It will not be a mystery to those whom God has given to understand it in His written Word though, and the mystery unraveled is written there. The status quo today is for most Churches to preach around it, and/or against it.

The name 'Israel' is the Salvation name. God gave it through His Angel to Jacob when Jacob wrestled with the Angel of The LORD. It means 'to prevail with God's help'. Yet the name Jacob was still used after that event, and that is a type of 'listen up' Message in itself about the name Israel and its intended meaning.

After Solomon's days, God split old Israel into 2 separate kingdoms. He gave Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim to rule over the ten northern tribes, and God made him king, his ruling city at Samaria in the north. Solomon's son, Rehoboam, of the house of David, of the tribe of Judah, became king over the southern kingdom of Judah, at Jerusalem. Both kingdoms had war against each other.

After this split, labels for the two different kingdoms become very important. If you don't pay attention to these labels, you won't know which kingdom is being spoken to or about:

Israel: (king Jeroboam of Ephraim as head: over tribes of Ephraim; Napthtali, Asher, Simeon, Gad, Manasseh, Zebulon, Issachar, Reuben, Dan)
1. "kingdom of Israel"
2. "house of Israel"
3. "Israel"
4. "house of Joseph"
5. "Ephraim"
6. "Samaria"
7. "stick of Ephraim"
8. "stick of Joseph"
9. "Aholah" (Ezek.23)

Judah: (king Rehoboam of Judah & house of David as head: over tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and some small remnants of the northern ten tribes that refused Jeroboam's gold calf idol worship and instead fled south to join with Judah.
1. "house of Judah"
2. "kingdom of Judah"
3. "Judah"
4. "Jerusalem"
5. "stick of Judah"
6. "Jews"
7. "Israel"
8. "Aholibah" (Ezek.23)


This split began in 1 Kings 11. By the time you get to 2 Kings 18, God had brought the kings of Assyria upon the northern ten tribe kingdom and removed them out of the land, to the lands of Assyria and lands of the Medes. The Jewish historian Josephus (100 A.D.) said these were still scattered beyond Euphrates in his day, and were a great number, too many to be counted. The king of Assyria then did a thing he oft did when conquering a people; he brought peoples from five provinces of Babylon and put them into the northern lands where the ten tribes had been, and these transplanted foreigners became the NT Samaritans.

However, the "kingdom of Judah", the southern kingdom at Jerusalem, remained, and it continued. About 130 years later, God would send Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon, upon the kingdom of Judah, and take them captive to Babylon for 70 years. After the 70 years, only a small remnant of them (from the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, Levi, and some foreigners) returned back to Jerusalem to build the city and wall again. The majority... of the house of Judah chose to stay... in Babylon, as God had promised He would take care of them there; they would increase, plant vineyards and build houses. So the majority of them stayed, and were then further scattered through the countries like Israel was. The main difference was that the ten tribe house of Israel lost... their heritage as Israelites! They became as... Gentiles. Even Judah doesn't know where all the ten tribes went and who they are today.

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There is no mystery as to the Lost Tribes, as they don't mean a thing, Jesus came 2000 years ago and anyone who does not understand that you get on the boat or you are lost.
Anyone looking for Jesus is lost.

Israel is the Birthright name, i.e., God's Birthright to His chosen elect.

Each family who has a firstborn son, the father's inheritance belongs to that firstborn son. Yet our Heavenly Father has a Birthright also that goes to His chosen elect, which He counts as a firstborn:

Ex 4:22
22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, "Thus saith the LORD, Israel is My son, even My firstborn:
KJV

That is in the 'to be born of God' sense, called and chosen sense; definitely fit for Jacob having been chosen and having prevailed with The Angel of The LORD for a blessing. But not only did God given Jacob the new name 'Israel', but Jacob also anointed with oil the stone he had made his pillow and dreamed upon, and called it Beth-El, meaning House of God. Wherever Israel went, that stone went with them.


Jer 31:9
9 They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is My firstborn.
KJV

This above is for in final; notice those "rivers of waters", which are about God's River of the waters of life at the end of Revelation. After God had split old Israel into two kingdoms, Ephraim would represent the northern ten tribe kingdom of "Israel". That is who He is talking about here. This part is not about Judah, not the southern kingdom of Judah. This Jer.31:9 verse is about the ten tribes only, which is why Ephraim is specifically linked here with the name "Israel". Ephraim after the split represents God's firstborn Israel because of God's Birthright promise that wound upon Ephraim per Genesis 48.

However, after God scattered the ten tribe kingdom of Israel, and only Judah remained in the holy land, Judah, or the Jews, began claiming they represent God's Israel. In reality they still are Israelites like all the 12 tribes are. But IF... they continue to reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ (Messiah), then they will be 'cut off', and will not be able to claim 'Israel' as their name, simply because the name Israel represents God's Salvation name under His Son, and it involves His Birthright Blessings.

God's Birthright was given to Abraham, and it then went to his son Isaac. At this point there began a contention, as the sons of Ishmael claim that Ishmael, the firstborn son of Abraham and... Hagar (Sarah's Egyptian slave), should be the heir to Abraham. But God chose His Birthright to the Seed of Abraham and Sarah, which was Isaac.

Then the Birthright went to Isaac's son Jacob. A second contention happened with Jacob because his brother Esau was actually Isaac's firstborn. But God had chosen Jacob before the children were born.

Then the Birthright went to Jacob's son Joseph, which began yet another contention. Jacob's son Reuben was the firstborn, but he defiled his father's bed by sleeping with one of Jacob's concubines. So the Birthright went to Joseph.

This began yet another contention between Joseph and his eleven brethren who were jealous. They kidnapped Joseph, put goat's blood on his coat, and acted to their father that Joseph had been killed. Midianite merchants seized Joseph and sold him into Egypt into slavery. God exalted him in Egypt and Joseph had two sons born him in Egypt, Manasseh the elder and Ephraim the younger.

Then the Birthright went to Joseph's younger son Ephraim, where it stopped. God's Birthright Blessing is no more transferred in His Word after this point. One of the prophecies involving Ephraim given in Genesis 48 is that Ephraim's seed would become "a multitude of nations":

Gen 48:16-20
16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.
17 And when Joseph saw that his father laid his right hand upon the head of Ephraim, it displeased him: and he held up his father's hand, to remove it from Ephraim's head unto Manasseh's head.
18 And Joseph said unto his father, Not so, my father: for this is the firstborn; put thy right hand upon his head.
19 And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations.
20 And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh.
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Joseph tried to correct placement of his father Jacob's hands upon his two sons Ephraim and Manasseh. The right hand is the Birthright blessing hand, so the elder firstborn son is presented on the right-hand side. But Jacob per God's direction crossed his arms, and put his right hand on the younger son Ephraim's head who was on Jacob's left. So Jacob gave Ephraim the Birthright transfer.

1 Chron 5:1-2
5:1 Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father's bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.
2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's
KJV

Just as Joseph was separated from his brethren, Ephraim and the majority of the tribes of Israel with him was separated from the house of Judah at Jerusalem. To this day, the majority of Ephraim and the ten tribes have yet to return to the holy land. That will not occur until Christ's day of return. Ezekiel 37 is a revelation of this gathering when Jesus returns, including the re-establishing of David's throne in Jerusalem.

Reggie Belafonte said:

The only reason why the so called Jews are in that Land is all due to mans works in fact and nothing to do with God at all.

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Not really true.

In 1 Kings 11, God promised that He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem for the sake of His servant David, and for Jerusalem's sake. That He has done, as there has always been at least a small remnant of Judah there, even during Judah's 70 years Babylon captivity.

Jesus is the King of Israel and anyone who claims otherwise is an Anti-Christ.

The second coming is irrelevant to one who is truly Born Again, because one is found ! you can not be found twice.

The second coming is due to the Anti-Christ, one can not defeat God as God always wins in the end and all will know who played them for fools in them days. so Satan's power over the people will be defeated and seen for what it truly is.

So what are the Born Again going too see things in a different light ? hell no ! they know Satan's works. before the rest wake up to the facts.

amadeus said:

What are you going to say that you have not already and what am I going to say that will change anything? Do you presume that you are never wrong? I certainly make no such presumption about myself. Each of us believes we are correct or we would already be changed if we were sincere AND we were able.

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Again, why do you have to turn a theological discussion into a personality issue? This is usually a tactic of liberalism. 'Debate the person, not the issue' seems to be their motto. WELL, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.

Enoch111 said:

Replacement Theology began in the Catholic church, and continued within the Protestant churches of the Reformation.

The RCC taught hatred for the Jews and tried to forcibly convert them to Christianity. Many pretended to become Christians, but retained their Jewish identity and beliefs. Many were persecute and slaughtered. And Martin Luther made no secret of his hatred for the Jews.

The Nazis took their lessons from Luther, and the Roman Catholic Church was an accessory to the crimes of the Nazis, as well as assisting them to escape to South America. The Dutch Calvinists were no better when it came to the treatment of the Jews.

But Replacement Theology is another BOGUS theology held by Reformed churches. Some Christians simply cannot accept the FACT that while God has an eternal plan for the Church (Jew and Gentile in one Body), He also has an eternal plan for redeemed and restored Israel on earth AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. Until then there no difference between Jew and Gentile in God's eyes. Yet, by His grace, He has preserved the modern secular nation-state of Israel, even though the majority of Jews within Israel are enemies of Christ (or at best indifferent to Him).

At the same time we can thank God that many former unbelieving Jews have become Messianic Jews by believing on Yeshua ha Mashiach (Jesus the Christ). However, I do not believe that they are obeying Christ by isolating themselves from Gentile Christians, and attempting to revive Moses at the same time. They are facing the dilemma of the Hebrew Christians addressed in the epistle to the Hebrews.

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Yes, for sure, and much of that RCC doctrine is also rooted in amillennialism which was not the belief of the Early Church (Premillennialism was).

Enoch111 said:

Replacement Theology began in the Catholic church, and continued within the Protestant churches of the Reformation.

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So called 'Replacement Theology' began when Jesus ticked off the unbelieving Jews with parables like this...

Matt 21:33-43
33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country:

34 And when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it.

35 And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another.

36 Again, he sent other servants more than the first: and they did unto them likewise.

37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
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And so the kingdom was taken from the unbelieving Jews at Jerusalem, including David's throne. There has never been another king of the house of David, and of the tribe of Judah in Jerusalem since the Romans came in 70 A.D. and destroyed the city of Jerusalem and the temple, and then scattered the Jews through the countries, called the Diaspora. And ever since that time, the unbelieving Jews have tried to create the old nation of Israel again, with a temple and sacrifices again, and with a new king, which God is going to give them a king! They will think it will be Messiah, but it won't be!

The unbelieving Jews in Jerusalem today that agreed with the nations to create the nation they call Israel today, don't realize how they're being used by Lucifer's servants, unconsciously preparing a throne in Jerusalem for Lucifer in our near future. Him they will worship, and when Jesus does appear after that, they will wish for the mountains and hills to fall on them out of shame.

So actually, it is The LORD GOD Himself that indirectly created the so-called 'Replacement Theology' movement, not the Christian Church! It was GOD Who caused the Roman army to come upon Jerusalem in 70 A.D. and destroy it, and scatter its unbelievers who rejected His Son.

Reggie Belafonte said:

There is no mystery as to the Lost Tribes, as they don't mean a thing, Jesus came 2000 years ago and anyone who does not understand that you get on the boat or you are lost.
Anyone looking for Jesus is lost.

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Sure there is a mystery about the ten lost tribes of Israel. And they still do... mean something to God, as He said...

Amos 9:8-11
8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord GOD are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the LORD.

9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.
11 In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:
KJV


But they don't mean anything to you because your understanding is lacking, and doesn't align with His written Word.

Dave L said:

We are Israel, to whom the promises apply.

“For as many as are the promises of God, in Him they are yes; therefore also through Him is our Amen to the glory of God through us.” (2 Corinthians 1:20)

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Let me see you publicly tout that you are Israel/Jewish when antisemitism goes into full swing.

Reggie Belafonte said:

Jesus came down the line of Judah I thought and he is the King of Israel.

Israel being the Servants of God ?

God the Father and his only begotten Son, is the King of the Servants of God ?

Now who serves God ? the Jews of today ? well the Jew of today is lost as to their saviour and such is truly understood as Anti-Christ as a matter of fact, now anyone who does not understand that must be a fool or an Anti-Christ, because they clearly do not understand who Jesus truly is in fact.
So if such a one claims to be a Christian well clearly they are not, just as Jesus said that he did not know you. so if you do not know Jesus then how could Jesus Know you, because you never communed or abided with him.

The Jews back in the day 2000 years ago missed the boat because they were lead astray by a mob of Satanist that crept in, this mob undermined the Tribe of Israel and then undermined Judah what was left was only what's called the remainder of such, so they were dead ducks, a spent force and lead by Satanist, Jesus came along and they tried to kill him with their bag of tricks, just as such tried to kill Holy Moses. nothing has changed with the Jews of today as they are ruled by the same Satanist as back in the day. but their are always the remainder that are true to the OT and it's this few who if they truly understand and follow Holy Moses that have a hope, for they have the key to come see Jesus as Moses said and as 2000 years ago such Jews did come to Jesus and the rest missed the boat because they were mislead by Satan's works, just as it is nowadays the same cards are at play.

The Jews never had a hope as a people, it was the Prophets that were sent by God as a hope for the Jews and they were all killed by he Satanic mob that was in control of the Vineyard and then God sent his only begotten Son and the same worked to kill him.

Now who is it that controls the Jews nowadays ? good people of God or bad people of Satan ?
Anyone who rejects Jesus Christ is lost and anyone who does not abide in him is a Anti-Christ ? now most people who claim to be Christians nowadays are not serving the Lord Jesus at all, but are serving another like all the ones who claim to be looking for the second coming, well such people are truly lost !

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Well actually, Who is it that controls ALL the world according to the scriptures? the Bible says the whole world is under the sway of the evil one ( 1John 5:19-21 ) You should try to read the Bible sometime without all your own pet beliefs & preconceptions , that way perhaps God can truly open your eyes, and teach you something & replace that stony heart.
Any other ethnic groups that you want to target for being under the control of Satan? or only the Jews? that is revealing. Would you speak that same way against Any other group of people? - hardly, you wouldn't risk being called a bigot and a Racist or accused of hate-speech.
The Anti-Zionist Movement & the Anti-Jew ideology, That, is what is Satan inspired, so obvious when reading the scriptures straightforwardly, literally within the context as meant, we see God's Eternal Promises for the Jews, for the Nation of Israel.
The Anti-Semitism that is politically attempting to gain more ground today, is Satan inspired, so you are a member of a big 'Let's hate the Jews' club in the world , the only ethnic group that it's acceptable to collectively attack are the Jews--and God is not behind this hate--> Satan is.
As for your beliefs & attitude towards the Jewish people, you are blinded. So many in Germany & Europe held that same belief system pre WWII, as disgracefully, so many within Christiandom today, & given the same opportunity, no doubt would have aided/ been complicit with the Third Reich in carrying out the genocidal Holocaust of rounding up & murdering 6 million Jews.
That historic horrendously Evil act was Truly devised by those doing the bidding of SATAN, who rages against God's people inspiring his hatred through human agents, who hates God's Plan for the Jews because the Son of God who came from the lineage of the Jews is going to redeem a remnant of God's people for Himself. The born again believers through Christ, know the natural olive branches were only temporarilly cut off (as Paul told us in Romans 11 )so Gentiles could be brought into the Kingdom of heaven, & we know of God's steadfast faithfulness & that His Word never changes Nor HIS Promises to the seed of Abraham (Jeremiah31) that it remains as long as the Sun & the moon , & we know God's Plan & Purpose for the bride of Christ, and we know God's plan to redeem a remnant of Nation of Israel because the Bible tells us so.

Romans 11:25-27 "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved; as it is written: "The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will turn ungodliness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."

prism said:

Let me see you publicly tout that you are Israel/Jewish when antisemitism goes into full swing.

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Yeah,no kidding, that will be the day declaring himself "a true Jew" in front of a mob of Anti-semitic Nazi skin-heads--and as we see below in his response, that will also be the day when Dave L. actually responds to our posts without just completely ignoring them and SAYING something COMPLETELY UNRELATED instead Lol! As in his response to your above comment I put down below where he simply IGNORED you.
I'd also like to see the likes of Dave L. go up to some ISIS Jihadis and tell them he is the real Jew- the real Israel! ya - not going to happen.

Dave L said:

If they are gentiles, which BTW they are, there is no antisemitism. They created their own problems by rejecting Jesus and they exist today only because of their hatred for him. The real Jews accepted him.

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prism said:

Again, why do you have to turn a theological discussion into a personality issue? This is usually a tactic of liberalism. 'Debate the person, not the issue' seems to be their motto. WELL, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN THAT.

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Perhaps you are more interested in winning the "debate" that in learning from God along with me. All of us are right in our own eyes according to Solomon as he wrote under the inspiration of God. Are we all really right always?

I am no theologian and have never claimed to be. I simply follow God as He leads. Sometimes I may miss the pathway, but it is my pathway. Does that make it a personality issue? God knows each and every one of us. The problem always is in how we know Him, if at all, and then how well we follow according to what we know. It is a one on one thing, or as I see it, it should be.

The fact is as I see it, we should not be living by facts but by faith. Our faith may be somewhat misplaced at times, but if we are looking to Him will He not give us hand?

"But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?" Matt 14:30-31

amadeus said:

Perhaps you are more interested in winning the "debate" that in learning from God along with me.

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That sounds good but , it looks more like you want to just argue to me, which is why I stopped engaging with you.

tzcho2 said:

That sounds good but , it looks more like you want to just argue to me, which is why I stopped engaging with you.

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1 Corinthians 10.32 - Jew, Gentile, church of God - say what it says.