Not the writings of a mistaken 16yo, no. But of someone who had grown and matured and write off things way before her time. Like what she said regarding the human brain/mind. That it can be trained. It can grow and and develop. Science only recently caught up with that concept. And also what she taught regarding tobacco. Christians still think it's okay to smoke. Despite that fact that contemporary doctors were protecting tobacco for illnesses such as tb., White said nuh... It kills. I could continue on several fronts... Education... Way in advance of modern educators who again only recently are catching on to the same principles and ethics. Until you read her work... Not just Cherry pick what others have picked out and used... You will never understand. And you have no real ground for criticism. You call her a false prophet. But again, you don't look at the context nor do you compare what she states with everything else she wrote on the same subject so you get a jaundiced prejudiced opinion. Just like you do with the Bible. As your half pie explanations for your second coming theories indicate above. Such confusion.
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CoreIssue
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It does not change the fact she was a false prophetess and false Bible teacher. Or that she was one of the founders of the SDA cult.
The text of her teachings, such as sanctuary judgment and prophecies are all totally false.
CoreIssue
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Of course you can't base a whole theology on one verse.
And no one should base their theology on the accurate KJV.
Both angels and church to send the second coming. I already posted proof the church will descend.
The problem lies in your SDA theology, not what I said.
Then I would assume you have a totally acceptable interpretation of Daniel 8:14, and when that 2300 days expired and the sanctuary cleansed. Of course you will know what sanctuary and know what cleansing means right?
CoreIssue
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From mid tribulation to the rededication of the Temple is 2300 days.
Cleansing is the removal of the AOD, remnants of AC worship. A purge and physical cleaning.
Nothing we believe in is based on just one verse. I am sure you don't judge Ellen White on just one sentence right?
Go back to the fundamental beliefs that Enoch posted in the beginning. The state of the dead and the resurrection and the second coming. Compare all the scripture that supports each of those beliefs and you will see how they harmonize... No contradiction.
You claim to have studied our beliefs. So here's your opportunity to prove it. Compete those 3 major planks of our fundamental belief system and see how the scriptures supporting each create one harmonious belief that can be readily understood.
CoreIssue
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I judge her on her teachings, which are reflected in SDA doctrine and much of what you say.
I've done many many times over the decades.
It also shows you haven't really studied the investigative judgement and what it means. Nor have you taken the Daniel 8 prophecy and placed it in context with Daniel 9.
@CoreIssue you make the mistake of doing what the Jesuits invite you to do. Placing all prophecy you are uncomfortable with into the future. You don't want to admit that the Antichrist is already here... That your life is being judged right now...(it begins in the house of God) ... Or that there is no foundation for a7 year tribulation etc etc. 2300 days is not 7 years. And the 70 weeks (490 years) of Daniel 9 is a part of the 2300 days. (2300 years)
Figure that out.
How can anyone figure out anything if days are treated as years?
We need to stick with the way Scripture presents prophetic days and years, and actually gives us a solid basis for interpretation.
1260 days/30 = 42 months/12 = 3 1/2 years = time ( 1 yr) + times (2 yrs) + half a time (6 months).
So when we come to 2,300 days, we apply the same math.
2300 days/30 = 76.67 months/12 = 6.39 years = 6 yrs and 4.68 months = 6 years, 4 months, and 21 days.
Since Daniel's 70th week = 7 years, we are short by about 7 months.
quietthinker
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Nu 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Eze 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
Go back to those examples you posted and see how many of them are surrounded by literal language? If they are in the midst of symbolic language, what reason would there be in interpreting everything symbolically, except for the time?
The above two examples provide precisely what you have asked for..."the way scripture presents prophetic days and years." You may be interested to know that Adventists did not invent this principle. The following great Protestant scholars all agreed that the day for a years interpretation of time prophecy was good sound exegesis. John Wycliffe, John Knox, William Tyndale, Martin Luther, John Calvin, Ulrich Zwingli, Phillip Melanchthon, Sir Isaac Newton, Jan Huss, John Foxe, John Wesley, Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, Charles Finney, C. H. Spurgeon, Matthew Henry, Adam Clarke, Albert Barnes, E. B. Elliot, H. Grattan Guinness, and Bishop Thomas Newton." (S. Gregg, "Revelation: Four Views," Nashville: Thomas Nelson Pub, 1997, p. 34.)
Here's some interesting points relating to the various time prophecies in scripture.
i) The 390 + 40 = 430 days/years of Ezekiel (mentioned earlier) are exactly one-third of 1290, (cf., Ezekiel 4:4-8, 5:2. I.e., 430 days x 3 = 1290 days).
ii) The time from when Ezekiel was told to lay on his side 430 days symbolizing the siege of Jerusalem (593 BC), until the end of the literal siege of Jerusalem (586 BC), are 7 full years, or 3½ + 3½ years.
iii) The total siege-length of Ezekiel's symbolic siege of 390 (+ 40) days, plus the 945 days of the literal siege, amounts to 1335 days---the same figure found coupled with the 1290 days in Daniel 12:9.
iv) The fact that there are 1290 years from the entry into Egypt (1876 BC, which lasted 430 years until the exodus, 1446 BC), until the exile back again into Egypt (and Babylon) at the fall of Jerusalem (586 BC), is proof that 1290 days are intended to be years as well.
All the above, plus more, and particularly what I show below, all contribute to the day/year principle. To maintain that there is no Biblical foundation for it, and to offer the question "How can anyone figure out anything if days are treated as years? " reveals at best, short-sighted ness.
If there was any prophecy that confirms the principle it is the above. You agree that one week =7years...where do you get that idea from except from absolute historical fulfilment? However, if you are willing to study the whole 70 weeks prophecy with care and without prejudice and pre-conceptions, you will discover there is no "70th week" yet to come. This will give a far more comprehensive study than I could offer here....of course it depends on how hungry one is or truth...how willing one is to to truly understand where other interpretations are formed and what they are based on. 70 Weeks Of Daniel Prophecy
CoreIssue
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quietthinker
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I notice you have not answered my question though asked twice. I must assume you have not read her and that your opinions are formed from the opinions of others.
Condemning an author that one hasn't read because what one assumes is said does not fit into ones paradigm is nothing short of intellectual dishonesty.
CoreIssue
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Go back and read.
Simple fact is she is a false prophetess and a false teacher.
Is this how the SDA teaches people to handle challenges?
quietthinker
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