Rapture Top Dogs Admit no Proof Exists.

CoreIssue said:

The church/bride has just come out of the wedding chamber and then descends with Christ from heaven at the second coming along with a host of angels.

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It is important to get the timing of these events right, CoreIssue. We generally think of the Second Coming as Jesus coming to destroy the armies of the Antichrist and False Prophet. Then comes the Millennial Kingdom which is administered by believing Jews and there will be a Temple. The surrounding Gentile nations will pay tribute to the Millennial Kingdom. The Resurrected Church will be in heaven with Christ all during the Millennium with likely some taking brief trips to the mortal Kingdom below. Then, after the final rebellion at the end of the Millennial Kingdom, the Lord sends fire from heaven to burn up the rebels surrounding Jerusalem followed by the Final Judgment (AKA the White Throne Judgment and the "Sheep-Goat" Judgment). Then Christ comes to earth with His Bride in the New Jerusalem which will be the permanent home of all true believers--Israel, the Tribulation Martyrs and the Church--throughout eternity.

Lady Crosstalk said:

It is important to get the timing of these events right, CoreIssue. We generally think of the Second Coming as Jesus coming to destroy the armies of the Antichrist and False Prophet. Then comes the Millennial Kingdom which is administered by believing Jews and there will be a Temple. The surrounding Gentile nations will pay tribute to the Millennial Kingdom. The Resurrected Church will be in heaven with Christ all during the Millennium with likely some taking brief trips to the mortal Kingdom below. Then, after the final rebellion at the end of the Millennial Kingdom, the Lord sends fire from heaven to burn up the rebels surrounding Jerusalem followed by the Final Judgment (AKA the White Throne Judgment and the "Sheep-Goat" Judgment). Then Christ comes to earth with His Bride in the New Jerusalem which will be the permanent home of all true believers--Israel, the Tribulation Martyrs and the Church--throughout eternity.

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Christ cannot be ruling the earth on the earth in the MK if he's in heaven.

Lady Crosstalk said:

It is important to get the timing of these events right, CoreIssue. We generally think of the Second Coming as Jesus coming to destroy the armies of the Antichrist and False Prophet. Then comes the Millennial Kingdom which is administered by believing Jews and there will be a Temple. The surrounding Gentile nations will pay tribute to the Millennial Kingdom. The Resurrected Church will be in heaven with Christ all during the Millennium with likely some taking brief trips to the mortal Kingdom below. Then, after the final rebellion at the end of the Millennial Kingdom, the Lord sends fire from heaven to burn up the rebels surrounding Jerusalem followed by the Final Judgment (AKA the White Throne Judgment and the "Sheep-Goat" Judgment). Then Christ comes to earth with His Bride in the New Jerusalem which will be the permanent home of all true believers--Israel, the Tribulation Martyrs and the Church--throughout eternity.

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Good always to distinguish between the Lords coming for His saints and His coming with His saints in power and glory.

CoreIssue said:

Christ cannot be ruling the earth on the earth in the MK if he's in heaven.

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Yes, He can. He is the King of Kings, but that is a term that means He can have other Prince/Kings ruling in His stead, in other places. If you will read chapters 40-48 that give a VERY detailed description of the Millennial Kingdom, there is a "Prince" spoken of who rules over the Millennial Kingdom. There is an OT prophecy that God will "raise up David" (Jeremiah 30:9) as the King over the Millennial Kingdom. This "Prince" has "sons"--it is obvious from that description that a mortal is being referenced as Jesus said that we will be like the "angels in heaven" in the Resurrection "neither marrying nor being given in marriage". Since it is unthinkable to have child-bearing without marriage, we must deduce that the Millennial Kingdom is a mortal Kingdom. There are other clues as well. The prophet, Isaiah makes a lot of prophecies about the Millennial Kingdom. He says that there will still be death (though greatly reduced) and sin (also greatly reduced)--(see Isaiah 65:20). All of this and more tell us that it is a mortal Kingdom and that "David" is Christ's proxy over the Kingdom. But it will fail too at the end. It will be one last demonstration that mortal mankind, even under ideal conditions, is unable to govern itself apart from God.

Lady Crosstalk said:

Yes, He can. He is the King of Kings, but that is a term that means He can have other Prince/Kings ruling in His stead, in other places. If you will read chapters 40-48 that give a VERY detailed description of the Millennial Kingdom, there is a "Prince" spoken of who rules over the Millennial Kingdom. There is an OT prophecy that God will "raise up David" (Jeremiah 30:9) as the King over the Millennial Kingdom. This "Prince" has "sons"--it is obvious from that description that a mortal is being referenced as Jesus said that we will be like the "angels in heaven" in the Resurrection "neither marrying or being given in marriage". Since it is unthinkable to have child-bearing without marriage, we must deduce that the Millennial Kingdom is a mortal Kingdom. There are other clues as well. The prophet, Isaiah makes a lot of prophecies about the Millennial Kingdom. He says that there will still be death (though greatly reduced) and sin (also greatly reduced)--(see Isaiah 65:20). All of this and more tell us that it is a mortal Kingdom and that "David" is Christ's proxy over the Kingdom. But it will fail too at the end. It will be one last demonstration that mortal mankind, even under ideal conditions, is unable to govern itself apart from God.

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Philippians 2 speaks of Him as being 'highly exalted' already and given 'a name which is above every name'.

friend of said:

Not in the least. We discuss it because we are so eager for it. 2 Timothy 4:8

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Why then, would you look in the wrong place? If He is not in the desert or the inner rooms, what do you hope to see?

VictoryinJesus said:

Matthew 16:2-3
[2] He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. [3] And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

You hypocrites, you can discern the face of the sky but you can not discern the signs of the times?

Luke 19:43-46
[43] For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side, [44] And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation. [45] And he went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold therein, and them that bought; [46] Saying unto them, It is written, My house is the house of prayer: but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Because You knew not the time of your visitation. —they will leave in you not one stone upon another.

Luke 1:78
[78] Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

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The risk is to begin to expect and to look for signs (in the world), which is the practice of an evil generation. Better to look within, to seek Him in spirit.

ScottA said:

The risk is to begin to expect and to look for signs (in the world), which is the practice of an evil generation. Better to look within, to seek Him in spirit.

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But the Bible says in the last days people will stop looking. That apostasy take people away from God more and more.

Your argument is full of holes.

CoreIssue said:

But the Bible says in the last days people will stop looking. That apostasy take people away from God more and more.

Your argument is full of holes.

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I have no argument. However, what I said is in complete harmony and agreement with:

"But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth;" John 4:23

ScottA said:

I have no argument. However, what I said is in complete harmony and agreement with:

"But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth;" John 4:23

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Which is not about the rapture.

Dave L said:

The 144,000 are broken off Jews added to Christian Israel which is made up of an innumerable host.

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"broken off Jews"! That is quite hilarious.

When you cannot even describe these outstanding Jews properly, how in the world will you ever understand the Bible?

Dave L said:

The 144,000 are broken off Jews added to Christian Israel which is made up of an innumerable host.

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Where do you get this nonsense from? And don't say the Bible.

CoreIssue said:

Which is not about the rapture.

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Then stop veering off the path. It was you who veered off topic to ask questions about things that are on topic. If you don't like it out here in the weeds, it's your own doing.

ScottA said:

Then stop veering off the path. It was you who veered off topic to ask questions about things that are on topic. If you don't like it out here in the weeds, it's your own doing.

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I replied to your post.

Dave L said:

“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:28–29)

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I asked if you thought you were Israel and a Jew. Can't you just answer the question?