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Alpha and Omega

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I heard this a couple of months ago and it does not sound like a very pleasant place at all. The thing here is that the center of the earth being hell is biblical so I do not doubt the sounds at all. Ephesians 4:9 Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.Numbers 16:32-33And THE EARTH OPENED HER MOUTH, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive INTO THE PIT, and the EARTH CLOSED UPON THEM:Matthew 12:40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH.The last verse confuses me though why would Jesus go to hell for 3 days?
 

Veronica Moser

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I don't know if this thread was posted in jest, but I have come across that recording before. It's rather comical. Hell is not in the depths of the Earth. I would expect people to fall for this nonsense centuries ago, but today in the post-enlightenment age? Amazing!
 

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IN THE NAME OF FATHER AND OF THE SON AND OF THE HOLY SPIRITHERE I AM AGAIN TO SHARE THE TRUTH OF GOD LOVE(Alpha and Omega;54717)
Matthew 12:40For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly: so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the HEART OF THE EARTH.The last verse confuses me though why would Jesus go to hell for 3 days?
THIS IS WHAT JESUS SAID :-" THE HOUR HAS COME FOR THE SON OF MAN TO BE GLORIFIED. TRULY I SAY TO YOU, UNLESS THE GRAIN OF WHEAT FALLS TO THE EARTH AND DIES, IT REMAINS ALONE: BUT IF IT DIES, IT PRODUCES MUCH FRUIT" ( JOHN 12: 23-24)UNLESS THE GRAIN DIES, JESUS WILL DIE AND THE UNIVERSAL CHURCH WILL BE BORN.JESUS ALLOWS HIS LIFELESS BODY TO BE LAID IN THE EARTH: ON THE RISING FROM THE TOMB, HIS SAME BODY, NOW GLORIFIED, WILL ALSO EMBRACE THE BELIEVERS UNITED TO HIM.THE LIFE THAT IS NOW HIS WILL BE COMMUNICATED TO ALL THE CHILDREN OF GOD.UNLESS THE GRAIN DIES. THIS IS THE LAW FOR THE LIFE THAT WANTS TO BE FRUITFUL WHICH ALSO RELATED TO "THE TRUE VINE" AND MARK 8:34.For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. (2 Corinthians 5:14-15)"If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes evident that we ourselves are sinners, does that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker. For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"(Galatians 2: 17-21)Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God (Roman 6 : 8-10)MAY GOD BLESS AMENFROM WATT
 

Veronica Moser

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Good work, letsgofishing. It is incredibly embarassing as a Christian to know that so many Christians are so intellectually dishonest to believe such nonsense without looking into it.
 

RichardBurger

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Were the people of God in the OT saved by grace, IN THE SAME WAY WE ARE TODAY, under Paul's gospel of God's grace?IMHO my answer is NO. They were under God's mercy, not under the gospel of God's grace." Read Psalm 136. The word "mercy" is used 26 times in 26 verses! This is the Biblical testimony as to how God worked in the Old Testament, through His mercy.I believe the OT saints were placed in a place called Paradise by God's mercy to either wait for the promised Christ (Jesus) or to wait for His second coming and His 1000 year reign. He overlooked their sin in the flesh and placed them in a place called Paradise.IMHO their coming out of Hades is what Jesus meant when he said the Gates of Hades will not prevail against His Church by preventing them from coming out and into the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ during which Jesus will set up His Church.I have said what I believe, now I will show you why. Let us see what the Scriptures tell us.We see that Jesus went from the cross to be three days in the heart of the earth.Matt 12:4040 "For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.(NKJ)We see what he did while He was there.1 Pet 3:1919 by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,(NKJ) ----- (prison = Paradise = center of the earth)We must consider that when Jesus told the thief on the cross that "TODAY" you will be with me in Paradise" He meant with Him in the heart of the earth and that means that Paradise, AT THAT TIME, was a section in Hades spoken of by Jesus in Luke 16:19-26.The spirits are the O.T. spirits of the people that believed God and were accounted as righteous and placed in the bosom of Abraham until Jesus paid for their sins. Accounted does not mean that any of them had their sins washed in the blood of Christ since it had not yet been shed.Remember the story Jesus told about the rich man and the beggar named Lazarus (Luke 16:19-26) The beggar was placed in Abraham's bosom, not Jesus' bosom. However, today, we are placed in Jesus' bosom (in Christ) and "perhaps" we join those that were put there when they left Paradise.So then, the OT saints were "accounted as righteous" but not yet righteous, because their sins had not yet been paid for.We, today, under the gospel of God's grace which is in effect today, are made Children of God right now. We are made righteous right now when we place our faith in Him because the sin debt has already been paid. According to Paul, today, when a believer dies, he is instantly in the presence of Jesus.Gal 3:8-98 And the Scripture, """"foreseeing that God would"" justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham """"beforehand,""" saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.(NKJ)If you look at the words between the """" """" you see that the gospel of justification under grace (the gospel of God's grace) was not an accomplished fact ""AT THAT TIME"" but was told it would occur in the future. I believe it occurred after Jesus died on the cross, was raised from the dead, and God sent Paul to proclaim it.Richard
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eternalarcadia

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(Veronica Moser;54718)
I don't know if this thread was posted in jest, but I have come across that recording before. It's rather comical. Hell is not in the depths of the Earth. I would expect people to fall for this nonsense centuries ago, but today in the post-enlightenment age? Amazing!
Sorry thats not biblical.Revelation 9:2And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.Ephesians 4:9Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the LOWER PARTS OF THE EARTH.Numbers 16:32-33And THE EARTH OPENED HER MOUTH, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive INTO THE PIT, and the EARTH CLOSED UPON THEM:Ezekiel 32:18Son of man, wail for the multitude of Egypt, and cast them down, even her, and the daughters of the famous nations, unto the nether parts of the earth, with them that go down into the pit.Isaiah 38:18For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth.Ezekiel 31:16I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth.And many more.