MATTHEW 28 IS IT OUR COMMISSION?

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Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus was commanding the eleven disciples. Jesus commanded them to teach all the nations to obey his commandments. This was preparation for the coming Davidic kingdom on earth. Israel was to be a light to the Gentile nations in the kingdom.They were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost, where as before it was in the name of Jesus only because the Holy Ghost was not fallen on them. Isaiah 42:6 Isaiah 2:2-3 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16

Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

The eleven disciples, were once again, the only ones who were given this commandment. They were to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the coming kingdom on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the disciples. They were not preaching Paul's gospel. Matthew 24:14

16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The gospel of the kingdom required baptism. The salvation spoken of here is a physical salvation that would deliver Israel from the tribulation and the Antichrist. This salvation is Israel being saved to enter the kingdom on earth.

16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These were signs that would only follow the disciples at the time the gospel of the kingdom was being preached. This gospel is not being preached today, nor does the church, the body of Christ have any basis to warrant any expectation that these signs have any application today.

16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

The signs that would follow belief were only to confirm the authenticity of the word spoken of the coming kingdom.

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

The nations are Gentiles. Starting first at Jerusalem, the gospel of the kingdom would be preached. It is to the Jew first. Acts 15:7 Romans 1:16

The nations were to be given the same gospel of the kingdom the Apostles preached to Israel. Mark 13:10 Luke 9:6

The nations, as did Israel, were to repent and believe on the name of Jesus for remission of sins. This is the same remission of sins that John and Peter preached. Mark 1:4 Acts 2:38 Acts 10:43

24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

John and the eleven remaining disciples were witnesses. The church, the body of Christ can not be witnesses. Paul only was witness. John 1:7 John 15:27 Acts 1:22 Acts 22:15

24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

The disciples were to remain in Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Ghost. This was fulfilled at Pentecost. Acts 2:1

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Jesus gave the authority to remit sins. The body of Christ has no such authority.

The commissions were given to the disciples only. They were to go unto the nations, the Gentiles. The body of Christ are to go to all men, to exhort that all be reconciled to God, through The Lord Jesus Christ. The body of Christ, the church, in this dispensation, are ambasadors of Christ to all. 2 Corinthians 5:20 Colossians 1:18
 

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The commissions were given to the disciples only. They were to go unto the nations, the Gentiles. The body of Christ are to go to all men, to exhort that all be reconciled to God, through The Lord Jesus Christ. The body of Christ, the church, in this dispensation, are ambasadors of Christ to all

As the result is the same, going to all men this is a pointless distingtion.
 

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The commissions were given to the disciples only. They were to go unto the nations, the Gentiles. The body of Christ are to go to all men, to exhort that all be reconciled to God, through The Lord Jesus Christ. The body of Christ, the church, in this dispensation, are ambasadors of Christ to all.
More theological and spiritual nonsense. The apostles were as much as part of the Church as all saved Gentiles. And the Great Commission was given to the Church, and is still in effect.
 

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Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.


28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Jesus was commanding the eleven disciples. Jesus commanded them to teach all the nations to obey his commandments. This was preparation for the coming Davidic kingdom on earth. Israel was to be a light to the Gentile nations in the kingdom.They were commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost, where as before it was in the name of Jesus only because the Holy Ghost was not fallen on them. Isaiah 42:6 Isaiah 2:2-3 Acts 2:38 Acts 8:16

Mark 16:14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

The eleven disciples, were once again, the only ones who were given this commandment. They were to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the coming kingdom on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the disciples. They were not preaching Paul's gospel. Matthew 24:14

16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

The gospel of the kingdom required baptism. The salvation spoken of here is a physical salvation that would deliver Israel from the tribulation and the Antichrist. This salvation is Israel being saved to enter the kingdom on earth.

16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

These were signs that would only follow the disciples at the time the gospel of the kingdom was being preached. This gospel is not being preached today, nor does the church, the body of Christ have any basis to warrant any expectation that these signs have any application today.

16:19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

The signs that would follow belief were only to confirm the authenticity of the word spoken of the coming kingdom.

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

The nations are Gentiles. Starting first at Jerusalem, the gospel of the kingdom would be preached. It is to the Jew first. Acts 15:7 Romans 1:16

The nations were to be given the same gospel of the kingdom the Apostles preached to Israel. Mark 13:10 Luke 9:6

The nations, as did Israel, were to repent and believe on the name of Jesus for remission of sins. This is the same remission of sins that John and Peter preached. Mark 1:4 Acts 2:38 Acts 10:43

24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

John and the eleven remaining disciples were witnesses. The church, the body of Christ can not be witnesses. Paul only was witness. John 1:7 John 15:27 Acts 1:22 Acts 22:15

24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

The disciples were to remain in Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Ghost. This was fulfilled at Pentecost. Acts 2:1

John 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.

20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Jesus gave the authority to remit sins. The body of Christ has no such authority.

The commissions were given to the disciples only. They were to go unto the nations, the Gentiles. The body of Christ are to go to all men, to exhort that all be reconciled to God, through The Lord Jesus Christ. The body of Christ, the church, in this dispensation, are ambasadors of Christ to all. 2 Corinthians 5:20 Colossians 1:18


If you're on the dual gospel idea of hyper-dispensationalism, then know that is just a doctrine dreamed up by men. It is not Biblical.'

Apostle Paul taught the same Gospel of Jesus Christ that our Lord Jesus and the other Apostles taught. Peter preached The Gospel to Gentiles also, as the other Apostles also did in fulfilling the great commission. Paul having mainly been sent to preach to the Gentiles didn't prevent him from preaching to the children of Israel either. Paul preached the kingdom also.
 
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As the result is the same, going to all men this is a pointless distingtion.

Hi
First off, I was pointing out we are to offer, as ambassadors of Christ, reconciliation with God.

I do see a distinction.
I said;
The eleven disciples, were once again, the only ones who were given this commandment. They were to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom. The gospel of the coming kingdom on earth, in which Christ will reign along with the disciples. They were not preaching Paul's gospel. Matthew 24:14

They were preaching the gospel of the kingdom which is not our gospel in this dispensation.
 
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If you're on the dual gospel idea of hyper-dispensationalism, then know that is just a doctrine dreamed up by men. It is not Biblical.'

Apostle Paul taught the same Gospel of Jesus Christ that our Lord Jesus and the other Apostles taught. Peter preached The Gospel to Gentiles also, as the other Apostles also did in fulfilling the great commission. Paul having mainly been sent to preach to the Gentiles didn't prevent him from preaching to the children of Israel either. Paul preached the kingdom also.

Hi

Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. He preached the cross. Peter preached nothing but the gospel of the uncircumcision, even to Gentiles.
 

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Hi

Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom. He preached the cross. Peter preached nothing but the gospel of the uncircumcision, even to Gentiles.

You are being deceived by those men you listen to.


Apostle Paul's Epistles:

2 Tim 4:1
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

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2 Thess 1:5
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

KJV

1 Thess 2:12
12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

KJV

Col 4:11
11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

KJV

Col 1:13
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

KJV

Eph 5:5
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

KJV

Don't tell me Apostle Paul didn't preach Christ's Kingdom to the Church! He did!
 
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The proviso to going into all the world to preach the gospel was to tarry in Jerusalem until the grace to do so was received from heaven.

The same applies today. we are not to go out half-baked in our own strength but be imbued with spiritual power to truly be ambassadors of the kingdom.

One needs to visit the place one is testifying of....at the very least.

Otherwise it would be like a travel agent who was trying to convince people of going somewhere he has never been (or been anywhere). You don't become an agent by just studying a brochure...neither a witness of Christ by just studying the bible.
 

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You are being deceived by those men you listen to.


Apostle Paul's Epistles:

2 Tim 4:1
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

KJV

2 Thess 1:5
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

KJV

1 Thess 2:12
12 That ye would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

KJV

Col 4:11
11 And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

KJV

Col 1:13
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

KJV

Eph 5:5
5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

KJV

Don't tell me Apostle Paul didn't preach Christ's Kingdom to the Church! He did!

Hello

I did not say Paul didn't preach the kingdom, but that he did not preach the gospel of the kingdom.

Paul preached the kingdom of God, which is composed of a heavenly kingdom and an earthly kingdom.
Paul preached the heavenly kingdom. Paul preached the body of Christ will sit in heavenly places, not earthly.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Ephesians 1:3

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 2 Timothy 4:18

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Colossians 1:20

Israel was promised an earthly kingdom.

That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Luke 22:30

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Acts 1:6

Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever. Deuteronomy 4:40

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:10
 
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Hello

I did not say Paul didn't preach the kingdom, but that he did not preach the gospel of the kingdom.

Paul preached the kingdom of God, which is composed of a heavenly kingdom and an earthly kingdom.
Paul preached the heavenly kingdom. Paul preached the body of Christ will sit in heavenly places, not earthly.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: Ephesians 1:3

And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work, and will preserve me unto his heavenly kingdom: to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. 2 Timothy 4:18

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Colossians 1:20

Israel was promised an earthly kingdom.

That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Luke 22:30

When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel? Acts 1:6

Thou shalt keep therefore his statutes, and his commandments, which I command thee this day, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee, and that thou mayest prolong thy days upon the earth, which the LORD thy God giveth thee, for ever. Deuteronomy 4:40

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:10

Nah, you've simply chosen to interpret those Scriptures to fit a particular doctrine of men. The origin of the doctrine of the Church being raptured to Heaven while Israel is re-established on earth as a kingdom comes from John Darby, et al, the pre-trib rapture theory and his Dispensationalist theory. Those two separate kingdom ideas were created to support the idea of a rapture to Heaven.

In reality, God's Word teaches that on the day of Christ's return, when the resurrection happens, the asleep saints and the alive saints still on earth are gathered to Jesus on His descent to Jerusalem, on earth. Zechariah 14 specifically reveals Jesus' feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives bringing His Church with Him. His "thousand years" reign of Rev.20 over all nations with "a rod of iron" then begins. The Heavenly dimension is then revealed to all peoples on that day, as God's consuming fire will burn man's works off the earth and end this flesh world of today.
 

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Nah, you've simply chosen to interpret those Scriptures to fit a particular doctrine of men. The origin of the doctrine of the Church being raptured to Heaven while Israel is re-established on earth as a kingdom comes from John Darby, et al, the pre-trib rapture theory and his Dispensationalist theory. Those two separate kingdom ideas were created to support the idea of a rapture to Heaven.

In reality, God's Word teaches that on the day of Christ's return, when the resurrection happens, the asleep saints and the alive saints still on earth are gathered to Jesus on His descent to Jerusalem, on earth. Zechariah 14 specifically reveals Jesus' feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives bringing His Church with Him. His "thousand years" reign of Rev.20 over all nations with "a rod of iron" then begins. The Heavenly dimension is then revealed to all peoples on that day, as God's consuming fire will burn man's works off the earth and end this flesh world of today.

Hello

I am sorry but I do not follow you here. I was responding in regard to the kingdom of God. Can I ask why you are bringing up the rapture.

In regard to what you said about Darby however, don't we all have teachers? Shouldn't we all compare what is taught to scripture? Doesn't the Bible support teachers....Ephesians 4:11?
 

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Hello

I am sorry but I do not follow you here. I was responding in regard to the kingdom of God. Can I ask why you are bringing up the rapture.

In regard to what you said about Darby however, don't we all have teachers? Shouldn't we all compare what is taught to scripture? Doesn't the Bible support teachers....Ephesians 4:11?


You separated Christ's future thousand years reign into two separate kingdoms, a kingdom in Heaven for the Church, and a kingdom on earth for Israel. God's Word does not teach any such separate kingdom idea as that, and I think you knew this was my response to you in my previous post.

Doug said:
"Paul preached the kingdom of God, which is composed of a heavenly kingdom and an earthly kingdom." - idea of two separate kingdoms.

"Paul preached the heavenly kingdom. Paul preached the body of Christ will sit in heavenly places, not earthly." - idea of a heavenly kingdom apart from the earth for Christ's Church.

"Israel was promised an earthly kingdom." - earthly kingdom for Israel.


What those you listen to don't or won't understand, is that Jesus is coming to restore His Israel alright, on earth, but like He showed in Matthew 8 about the unbelieving "children of the kingdom", they will be cast out into the "outer darkness" and believing Gentiles from the street will be invited in, and will sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, in His Kingdom at new Jerusalem on earth. That is going to be begin at His return with His Church gathered to Jerusalem, on earth, as written in Zechariah 14, the day of His second coming.
 

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You separated Christ's future thousand years reign into two separate kingdoms, a kingdom in Heaven for the Church, and a kingdom on earth for Israel. God's Word does not teach any such separate kingdom idea as that, and I think you knew this was my response to you in my previous post.

Doug said:
"Paul preached the kingdom of God, which is composed of a heavenly kingdom and an earthly kingdom." - idea of two separate kingdoms.

"Paul preached the heavenly kingdom. Paul preached the body of Christ will sit in heavenly places, not earthly." - idea of a heavenly kingdom apart from the earth for Christ's Church.

"Israel was promised an earthly kingdom." - earthly kingdom for Israel.


What those you listen to don't or won't understand, is that Jesus is coming to restore His Israel alright, on earth, but like He showed in Matthew 8 about the unbelieving "children of the kingdom", they will be cast out into the "outer darkness" and believing Gentiles from the street will be invited in, and will sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, in His Kingdom at new Jerusalem on earth. That is going to be begin at His return with His Church gathered to Jerusalem, on earth, as written in Zechariah 14, the day of His second coming.
 

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Hi
Ok got ya

In regards to Matthew 8

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Many in the verse above does not say Gentiles.

What verse are you referring to in regard to Gentiles being called from the street?

What verses(verse) are you referring to in Zechariah ?

Thanks for your post
 

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Hi
Ok got ya

In regards to Matthew 8

And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Many in the verse above does not say Gentiles.

What verse are you referring to in regard to Gentiles being called from the street?

What verses(verse) are you referring to in Zechariah ?

Thanks for your post

In this version, Jesus gave it as a parable.

Luke 14:23-24
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
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The Matthew 8 Message started with a Gentile Roman soldier asking Jesus to heal his servant who was at home, having faith that our Lord Jesus could do it without going to the soldier's house. Jesus responded by saying He had not found such great faith in Israel.

Matt 8:10-12
10 When Jesus heard it, He marvelled, and said to them that followed, "Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel."
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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The "many" there represent Gentiles coming into the kingdom to sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in Christ's future Kingdom. The "children of the kingdom" there represent the unbelieving Jews.
 

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In this version, Jesus gave it as a parable.

Luke 14:23-24
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

24 For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.
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The Matthew 8 Message started with a Gentile Roman soldier asking Jesus to heal his servant who was at home, having faith that our Lord Jesus could do it without going to the soldier's house. Jesus responded by saying He had not found such great faith in Israel.

Matt 8:10-12
10 When Jesus heard it, He marvelled, and said to them that followed, "Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel."
11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
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The "many" there represent Gentiles coming into the kingdom to sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in Christ's future Kingdom. The "children of the kingdom" there represent the unbelieving Jews.

Hey
I just don't think the many are Gentiles because Matthew 8:11 below says the many will sit down in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

The kingdom of heaven was only preached to Jews. see Matthew 10:6-7 below

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Luke 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
 

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For this very reason, women (meaning: the bride) should be silent in church.
 
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Hey
I just don't think the many are Gentiles because Matthew 8:11 below says the many will sit down in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

The kingdom of heaven was only preached to Jews. see Matthew 10:6-7 below

Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Luke 12:32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

So Christ's Salvation is for Jews only!??? Wow! I didn't know that!

That is actually what you are implying when you disregard the facts of what Lord Jesus was showing in those Scriptures about the rebellious of Israel being cast out of His future Kingdom!

Have I got to quote Hosea again here as I've already done several times on this forum?

Compare Romans 9 where Apostle Paul preaching to Gentile Roman believers in Christ's Church used a passage in Hosea where God had said to those people that were not His people, will be called the living sons of God.

Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He saith also in Osee, I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
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Rom 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

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And that "promise" is about Faith in The Gospel of Jesus Christ which Abraham believed.

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree':
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
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Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
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One of the things God's promise to Abraham was the lands of the holy land. That is part of that "heirs according to the promise".
 

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So Christ's Salvation is for Jews only!??? Wow! I didn't know that!

That is actually what you are implying when you disregard the facts of what Lord Jesus was showing in those Scriptures about the rebellious of Israel being cast out of His future Kingdom!

Have I got to quote Hosea again here as I've already done several times on this forum?

Compare Romans 9 where Apostle Paul preaching to Gentile Roman believers in Christ's Church used a passage in Hosea where God had said to those people that were not His people, will be called the living sons of God.

Rom 9:24-26
24 Even us, whom He hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
25 As He saith also in Osee, I will call them My people, which were not My people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, 'Ye are not My people'; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
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Rom 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

KJV

And that "promise" is about Faith in The Gospel of Jesus Christ which Abraham believed.

Gal 3:13-14
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, 'Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree':
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
KJV


Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV

One of the things God's promise to Abraham was the lands of the holy land. That is part of that "heirs according to the promise".

Hello

I was not saying salvation was for Jews only at this time.

It was before this dispensation of grace. But even then Gentiles could be saved, but only through Israel and it's covenants.
 

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Hello

I was not saying salvation was for Jews only at this time.

It was before this dispensation of grace. But even then Gentiles could be saved, but only through Israel and it's covenants.

When our Lord Jesus said, "salvation is of the Jews" in John 4, He was speaking from the concept of God's Promises to Israel, which by the way were first given through Abraham by Faith (see Galatians 3).

But Israel rebelled, and when Jesus came, the Jews of the southern kingdom of Judah rejected Him. So He said the symbolic vineyard would be taken from them and instead given to another 'nation' that would bring forth its fruits (Matthew 21). That was to symbolize The Gospel going to the scattered Israelites who would believe The Gospel, along with Gentiles among them, i.e., Christ's Church.

Rom 9:6-8
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:


7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.


8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

KJV

That idea "children of the promise" is about The Gospel of Jesus Christ; that's the Promise God first gave Abraham by Faith, 430 years before the giving of the law to Israel (again, see Galatians 3 and Romans 4).

Rom 4:9-13
9 Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.

10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.

11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
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