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EUROPEFrance, Belgium and the NetherlandsIdentities Foretold Millennia AgoTheir ancient origins are unknown to most—yet are key to understanding what lies in their future!By Kevin D. DeneeThe Real Truth often writes of the sons of the biblical patriarch Joseph—Ephraim and Manasseh—and the nations that descended from them. The Bible also says a great deal about the modern “house of Joseph,” foretelling—thousands of years in advance!—today’s conditions, trends and problems plaguing the British and American peoples. Scripture also explains what they will soon experience: a time of great trouble, immediately followed by an awesome future.Thousands of years ago, God gave His servant and friend, Abraham (at the time called Abram), the following promise: “I will make of you a great nation, and I will bless you, and make your name great; and you shall be a blessing: And I will bless them that bless you, and curse him that curse you: and in you shall all families of the earth be blessed…And I will make your seed [descendants] as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall your seed also be numbered.”Later, this great promise was reiterated: “I will multiply you exceedingly,” and “you shall be a father of many nations.” It was also stated another way: “And I will make you exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and kings shall come out of you.”God’s promise was part of a covenant—an agreement or contract—between two parties. The dividends for Abraham were obvious: His descendents would receive much. To remove all doubt that this promise of national prosperity was intended for thousands of years to come, the exchange also included, “And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your seed [descendants] after you in their generations for an everlasting covenant…”The Being who promised Abraham these things was the Creator of all things—God! The full accounts of these exchanges can be found in Genesis 12, 13 and 17. Imagine if you were promised the same things. Could you comprehend them? What greater promise, given early in man’s history, would have a greater impact on our world today—if it were fulfilled? Did the God of the Bible promise something that did not come to pass? Did the tribes of Israel, which descended from Abraham, just fall into obscurity and are now lost to antiquity, as most believe? Would the God that more than a billion people profess to follow be incapable of keeping His word?Most professing Christians are ignorant of the identity of the peoples descended from Abraham, who received the promises quoted above.Are you? The Birthright NationsHere is a brief overview of how God’s expansive promise of national, material blessings was passed down through generations. Abraham had a son named Isaac, who had a son named Jacob. God later changed Jacob’s name to Israel, and Israel had 12 sons: Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, Benjamin, Dan, Naphtali, Gad and Asher. Their descendants became the 12 tribes of Israel.Of these 12 sons, one would receive the birthright, and the blessings along with it. As was custom, this would have been given to the eldest son, Reuben. But since he sinned against his father in an appalling and shameful manner, the birthright was given to Joseph (I Chron. 5:1).At the end of his life, Israel had Joseph bring his two sons, Manasseh and Ephraim, before him. Israel explained to Joseph that he was given a promise by God and that he was now going to pass along the birthright promise and blessings to Joseph’s sons. Referring to the elder son, Israel explained that Manasseh “shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations” (Gen. 48:19).But what about the other tribes—what happened to them? Are they simply lost to history? Some professing Christians, and the world at large, refer to the “ten lost tribes of Israel.” But why ten? After the death of King Solomon, Israel split into two kingdoms: the house of Judah (which included Judah, Benjamin and Levi) and the house of Israel. Judah was never considered lost, and is understood to be the Jewish peoples of today. The Jews never lost sight of their biblical identity—because they generally continued to observe the seventh-day Sabbath, a sign that identifies God’s people. Notice: “Verily My Sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the Lord that does sanctify [set apart] you” (Ex. 31:13). Observing God’s weekly Sabbath and annual Holy days automatically sets apart [“sanctify”] God’s people from all others, and identifies the true God of the Bible and those who faithfully obey Him—“a sign between Me and you.”Again, Judah (for the most part) never lost sight of this. Yet the first thing the house of Israel did when it split from Judah was set up its own holy days, laws and other religious observances. In effect, Israel rejected the identifying sign that would have, over the centuries, reminded them of their ancient origin. Today, those descended from Israel—the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (Joseph), Reuben, Simeon, Gad, Asher, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali and Issachar—believe they are gentiles! The overwhelming majority have no idea that the vast material blessings their nations have enjoyed are the result of God fulfilling His promise to Abraham. Let’s now examine the identity and condition of three of these tribes, represented by the following countries: Reuben (France), Zebulun (the Netherlands) and Asher (a significant part of Belgium).“Dignity” and “Power”— But “Unstable”As well as passing down blessings to Ephraim and Manasseh, Israel also passed along some things to his sons and their modern descendants: “And Jacob called unto his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days”—our time now (Gen. 49:1).Most Christians (who, like the house of Israel, do not observe God’s Sabbaths, but keep Sunday and worldly holidays instead) believe these are the “last days”—but have never stopped to consider that all the tribes of Israel actually exist today or that the nations descended from them could be identified by the prophetic events that will “befall” them! Having recently traveled to Europe, I had the opportunity to spend time in four great cities of the world: London, Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam. Each city was different and distinct. In Genesis 49:3, Israel outlined certain prophetic details of France: “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power.”This “excellency of dignity and power” is clearly evident in Paris. Each building, each palace and street, revealed an excellency of dignity and power found nowhere else. Take the Palace of Versailles, for example. Considered one of the grandest palaces in the world, it truly shows the power and dignity that Reuben would be known for “in the last days.” Walking through the hall of mirrors, with its beautifully detailed painted ceilings, marble-lined walls, and gold-leafed ornate trim, causes visitors to stop and think of the power and global influence this nation once possessed. Each room of Louis the XIV’s living and working area was just as impressive as the next. Then there were the expansive gardens, with statue after statue, fountain after fountain, including a manmade lake for boating parties, tree-lined walkways, beautiful terracing, and much more.But Versailles is just one example. Throughout Paris, one cannot doubt that France, once called the “queen of culture,” represents a national dignity and class that remains unsurpassed. Whether it is the Opera house, the Notre Dame cathedral, the Arc de Triomphe or the Louvre, these all tell the same story. However, Israel also explained that Reuben would be “unstable as water,” and therefore, “you shall not excel” (vs. 4). In his book, America and Britain in Prophecy, Mr. Pack writes, “The Encyclopedia Americana notes that, ‘during the 70 years of the third republic [1875-1945]…more than a hundred cabinets succeeded one another, in France, with an average tenure in office of less than eight months. The main cause of this ministerial instability was the lack of disciplined parties…’ This ‘unstable’ and fickle French political system has also produced eleven constitutions since 1791!”“Haven of the Sea”Another nation, the Netherlands, has also fulfilled descriptions foretold thousands of years ago. Israel stated, “Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships” (Gen. 49:13). The Netherlands: “Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships” (Gen. 49:13).Source: The Real TruthThe Dutch people are famous for reclaiming land from the sea. In fact, 27% of the Netherlands is under sea level! For centuries, the Dutch have been building dikes and draining the terrain dry to create fertile farmland, called polders. (In fact, many of the picturesque windmills found in certain areas of Holland, were built to pump water out of low areas.) A large bay in Holland, called the South Sea, was reclaimed last century, and within it a relatively large province, Flevoland, was created. Driving through this area—which was entirely underwater just a hundred years ago—seeing developed forests, cities and roads, caused one to consider that these peoples truly had settled in a “haven of the sea.”Deuteronomy 33:19 explains that Zebulun shall “suck of the abundance of the seas and of treasures hid in the sand.” The Netherlands has done this in several ways, such as through international commerce through the nation’s shipping fleet, and through reclaiming land from the sea. The rich, green fertile ground, which seemingly goes forever—a clear example of the “abundance of the seas and of treasures hid in the sand” that only the Dutch have been able to reclaim on such a large scale.The Netherlands has also been a “haven of ships.” In fact, for decades Rotterdam was the busiest port in the entire world. Due to the giant rivers that flow through it, the nation serves as an important artery into the heart of Western Europe. (The latest statistics reveal that Rotterdam still ranks third in total volume, behind Shanghai and Singapore, with 370 million tons handled.)Belgian chocolates: “Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties” (Gen. 46:20). Source: The Real Truth“Royal Dainties” While traveling from France to the Netherlands, my wife and I briefly stopped in Brussels, Belgium. Again, a group of peoples within this nation can be identified as descended from Asher, of which Israel stated, “Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties” (Gen. 49:20). Belgium is world-renowned for its chocolate (as well as its waffles). Along the streets of Brussels scores of shops offer these high quality chocolate “royal dainties”—visited by countless patrons from nearly all parts of the earth.While this description of Asher is brief, it should be no coincidence to those who believe the Bible that even such a small description specifically matches this modern nation—millennia after the description was originally given. Consider: What other nation is so internationally celebrated for such “royal dainties”?Much More to KnowThis article contains just the briefest descriptions of contemporary Reuben, Zebulun and Asher. Much more could be said. As we traveled through France, Belgium and the Netherlands, it became apparent that each nation had received tremendous material blessings. Their wealth, prosperity and advanced infrastructure were seen everywhere we turned.But something else—something far less glamorous—was also evident. As our trip drew to a close in Amsterdam, a city infamous for its drugs and prostitution, it was painfully obvious that the peoples of these prosperous First World nations are not obeying God. While only one city, it was still representative of all nations of the West, many of them Israelite. In America and Britain in Prophecy, Mr. Pack writes, “But understand this. God does not and has never owed blessings to anyone. He may choose to bless individuals or nations, for His own purposes, but no one automatically deserves prosperity, wealth, abundance and a generous portion of God’s bounty.“The Bible says that all have sinned (Rom. 3:23), which means all have qualified themselves for death (Rom. 6:23)—and nothing more!”All the beauty, splendor and prosperity on display throughout the modern nations of Israel cannot continue without end. Having forgotten their ancient identity—as well as the laws, statutes and judgments that would have ensured lasting success (Deut. 4:5-9)—the future of modern-day Reuben, Zebulun and Asher grows ever dim.These nations have prospered materially—yet they now are besieged by spiritual problems, the result of straying away from being the model nation God expected His people to become. Difficult times are in the future.The Bible reveals what lies ahead for France, the Netherlands, Belgium, and their sister nationshttp://www.realtruth.org/articles/080602-0...batn-print.html
 

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Another excellent study, Kriss! Yair Davidy at http://www.britam.org/ did studies as to which European nations were which tribes, and they agree with this article as well. Our friend Tom knows about this as well.Now for my weakness
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---- you know that I like a certain woman singer from the tribe of Gad (Sweden). I mentioned this before. It makes me marvel at God's word that stated that Sarah "was very fair"My lovely wife is blond and fair as well, just like Sarah.
 

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Another excellent study, Kriss! Yair Davidy at http://www.britam.org/ did studies as to which European nations were which tribes, and they agree with this article as well. Our friend Tom knows about this as well.Now for my weakness
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---- you know that I like a certain woman singer from the tribe of Gad (Sweden). I mentioned this before. It makes me marvel at God's word that stated that Sarah "was very fair"My lovely wife is blond and fair as well, just like Sarah.
Yes, Tim I remember you telling me about you singer:)And yeah Tom knows a lot don't let his quietness fool you:)
 

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Of these 12 sons, one would receive the birthright, and the blessings along with it. As was custom, this would have been given to the eldest son, Reuben. But since he sinned against his father in an appalling and shameful manner, the birthright was given to Joseph (I Chron. 5:1).
Why was the birthright passed to Joseph, the next to last youngest, and not Judah, the second to first oldest?
After the death of King Solomon, Israel split into two kingdoms: the house of Judah (which included Judah, Benjamin and Levi) and the house of Israel.
Weren’t some of the Levites included in the Northern Kingdom of Israel since the Levites lived in cities that were dispersed among the other tribes and did not have a tribal region of their own?Are you familiar with the DNA studies that show a common male ancestor among Jews who come from rabbinical families (remember it is customary for someone to be a rabbi only if their father or grandfather was also a rabbi)? If some of the Levites of the OT were included among the people of the Kingdom of Israel and thus went with them when they were exiled by the Assyrians and then were dispersed throughout the world, then there should be “Gentiles” that have the same genetic markers as the Jewish rabbinical families.
In Genesis 49:3, Israel outlined certain prophetic details of France: “Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power.”
That doesn’t sound like France, to me.
Take the Palace of Versailles, for example. Considered one of the grandest palaces in the world, it truly shows the power and dignity that Reuben would be known for “in the last days.”
Then why is France essentially a 3rd rate power in the modern world? In comparison to Britain and to some extent Spain, Germany and the Netherlands, France has never been a prominent geo-political or military power.
However, Israel also explained that Reuben would be “unstable as water,” and therefore, “you shall not excel” (vs. 4). In his book, America and Britain in Prophecy, Mr. Pack writes, “The Encyclopedia Americana notes that, ‘during the 70 years of the third republic [1875-1945]…more than a hundred cabinets succeeded one another, in France, with an average tenure in office of less than eight months. The main cause of this ministerial instability was the lack of disciplined parties…’ This ‘unstable’ and fickle French political system has also produced eleven constitutions since 1791!”
The same could be said about the political situation in Italy ever since the end of World War II. So why should we identify Reuben with France and not Italy? If you take the Romans into consideration, the world has imitated Italy’s culture as much as it has France’s culture. The power and dignity that you see in Versailles can be seen by some in the Pantheon, Coliseum and the architecture of Palladio. And collectively the Italian city states often exercised as much, if not more, political and economic power than France did.
“Haven of the Sea”Another nation, the Netherlands, has also fulfilled descriptions foretold thousands of years ago. Israel stated, “Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships” (Gen. 49:13). The Netherlands: “Zebulun shall dwell at the haven of the sea; and he shall be for an haven of ships” (Gen. 49:13).
Couldn’t the description of Zebulon also be applied to the Hanseatic Coast of northwestern Germany which was a major shipping and trading center at one time?
Belgian chocolates: “Out of Asher his bread shall be fat, and he shall yield royal dainties” (Gen. 46:20).
Aren’t the Swiss also world famous for their chocolate?
 

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What have historical and ethnological studies indicated in regard to the origin of the peoples of Western Europe? It is one thing to say, for example, that Belgians are known for 'dainties,' the French for this, the Swiss for that, etc. However, that does not have bearing on the actual origin of the people groups. It is known, for example, that Indo-Europeans were pushed westward by the movement of tribes over the steppes. It is also known that the few survivors of the Northern Kingdom of Israel were scattered, but that they in many cases retained their subcultural identity and lifestyle. The suggestion that the peoples of Europe were originally the tribes of Israel does not sound credible, indeed as doing violence to recorded history. Can you give a reference to any peer-reviewed publications or findings?Dave
 

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What have historical and ethnological studies indicated in regard to the origin of the peoples of Western Europe? It is one thing to say, for example, that Belgians are known for 'dainties,' the French for this, the Swiss for that, etc. However, that does not have bearing on the actual origin of the people groups. It is known, for example, that Indo-Europeans were pushed westward by the movement of tribes over the steppes. It is also known that the few survivors of the Northern Kingdom of Israel were scattered, but that they in many cases retained their subcultural identity and lifestyle. The suggestion that the peoples of Europe were originally the tribes of Israel does not sound credible, indeed as doing violence to recorded history. Can you give a reference to any peer-reviewed publications or findings?Dave
This is my second biggest problem with Anglo-Israelism: it is based on conjecture rather than documentable historical fact. Granted we won't find literary records from societies that were not literate. But, the people that preach Anglo-Israelism seldom ever consider things like archaeology or linguistics. They never present any hard evidence for their claims.
 

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But, the people that preach Anglo-Israelism seldom ever consider things like archaeology or linguistics. They never present any hard evidence for their claims.
Ha Ha. This poster must have never heard of E. Raymond Capt. There's oodles of evidence for those with eyes to see and ears to hear. And the evidence itself is based in the bible anyway, with scores of descriptions of Ephraim, the birthright tribe (part of Joseph that had the birthright).If Britain, NW Europe, and American peoples are not the lost tribes, then who else? You have a better people that fulfill these requirements and promises of God?
 

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Ha Ha. This poster must have never heard of E. Raymond Capt.
Until now I was blissfully ignorant of this Capt character and the bigots that rely on him for support.http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=330819http://www.christianidentityministries.com...apt%20Page.htmlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity“The Christian Identity movement holds that non-Caucasian peoples have no soul, and can therefore never earn God's favor or be saved.”
If Britain, NW Europe, and American peoples are not the lost tribes, then who else? You have a better people that fulfill these requirements and promises of God?
Seeing as how we cannot change history and the future is ultimately controlled by God, what difference does it make who the Israelites now are- unless you are a bigot who does not believe that people of color are entitled to God’s blessings. Most Anglo-Israel fanatics remind me of the Nazis who went looking for the alleged origins of their Aryan master race.
 

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Seeing as how we cannot change history and the future is ultimately controlled by God, what difference does it make who the Israelites now are- unless you are a bigot who does not believe that people of color are entitled to God’s blessings. Most Anglo-Israel fanatics remind me of the Nazis who went looking for the alleged origins of their Aryan master race.
If you do not see the significance of Israel and their purpose, then you are blind. The whole bible is based on them.So, you are resorting to implying I am a bigot? I am a good judge of character. I had a feeling about you when you posted on another thread about the church being one in doctrine. When a person says stuff like that, I suspect that the person is in effect saying "see it my way". You just gave yourself a name by judging me. You are in effect the same type of person that you accuse the diverse denominations of being. Take a look in the mirror. You haven't an ounce of truth in anything you are saying.As for Anglo-Israel fanatics, if you hate us that much, then you are on the wrong forum, buddy. There's several people here that believe this way. You're the odd-man-out here. BTW, you have the wrong links for Anglo-Israelism. You haven't a clue.
 

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tim,I don't even know why you waste your time arguing with some of these fools.
 

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tim,I don't even know why you waste your time arguing with some of these fools.
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. I have my vices. To a degree, it's fun. Sort of chuckling at the obvious that some are too blind to see, but yes, even I am getting a tad weary after a certain amount of time. Yes, I guess I should not make too much sport of this, eh?
 

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If you do not see the significance of Israel and their purpose, then you are blind. The whole bible is based on them.So, you are resorting to implying I am a bigot? I am a good judge of character. I had a feeling about you when you posted on another thread about the church being one in doctrine. When a person says stuff like that, I suspect that the person is in effect saying "see it my way". You just gave yourself a name by judging me. You are in effect the same type of person that you accuse the diverse denominations of being. Take a look in the mirror. You haven't an ounce of truth in anything you are saying.As for Anglo-Israel fanatics, if you hate us that much, then you are on the wrong forum, buddy. There's several people here that believe this way. You're the odd-man-out here. BTW, you have the wrong links for Anglo-Israelism. You haven't a clue.
Again you attack me simply because I don't fall for your pet beliefs.
 

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"pet" beliefs
Don't blame me, blame God, it's in the bible.I'm not attacking anyone. It seems that the bigot word came out from you first which I find quite common coming from people who cannot reconcile with British-Israel doctrine and love to fire that word like a missile because no doubt they have nothing else substantial to say. Since nobody wants to be called a bigot, it's as if they are trying to "shame" people away from this solid truth in God's Word. But if they really know their bibles, then a true British-Israelite states that their nations are more racially diverse than the other nations--- that's one mark of Israel according to the bible. Based on your own admissions, you seem to have done little study on the doctrine. I find it amazing how some people (and this is in general) love to debate about something they barely did 5 minutes of study in themselves as if they know all about it. I think for a newbie you really ought to show a little more respect for the people here instead of barging on the scene. I see I am not the only one you are having a go-around with.Otherwise, I'm now taking Tom's advice. Enough is enough.