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n2thelight

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So when a person dies, when the person leave the flesh body he now a spirit body walking around ??
Another word we are a spirit body inside a flesh body ?

Or is it that when a person leaving the flesh body, he will receive a spirit body ?? that would be counted a blessing ??

So an unsaved person will not receive a spirit body when they die ??

We were spirit before being made flesh,had satan not rebelled we would never had been made flesh

At the 7th and last trumpet ALL are changed,however just because one is changed doesn't make them automatically saved,for although changed they(not in Christ) are spiritually dead,meaning they can die the 2nd death.

In other words just because you get what you already were it doesn't make you saved,that's why they are called the dead,ie,those who didn't take part in the first resurrection.

For what I'm saying let's go to revelations

Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."

Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us.

Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age, souls are judged by works only.

Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.

To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.

Contrary to what most think,the soul is not automatically immortal,it must put on immortality

I Corinthians 15:53 "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

Through this entire chapter Paul has brought to our attention that we have two bodies within each of us. We have our physical body, which is made up of flesh and blood, and we have our spiritual body which is called our soul. The flesh body will die at some point in time and the spiritual body or soul body that houses or spirit will live on after death. "Mortal must put on immortality" applies only to the soul, for all flesh will be gone at death, or at the sounding of the seventh trumpet. So immortality applies only to the soul body, and even in the incorruptible body the sting of death of that soul is still on it if that soul has not received eternal life.
 
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To start, understand the flesh will not rise,

To be clear, then, you are saying there is no physical resurrection? Where we are restored to our bodies terrestrial, to live on the terrestrial orb?

Much love!
Mark
 

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Seriously? Where do you see this in the Bible?

Much love!
Mark

In the book of Job one should see that our Father made all souls at the same time.

God asked Job a question,well questions.

Job 38:4 "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."

Job 38:5 "Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?"

Who has determined the measurement of the sun, moon, and earth, and placed the line or signs of the constellations around the earth?

Job 38:6 "Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;"

Job 38:7 "When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for Joy?"

Who were these "sons of God" [the stars that sang], and when did these sons of God sing for Joy? We are talking about the angels here, that sang before the establishment of this earth age of the flesh. All souls were there and Satan also was there with all of them. Some how the people of this earth age are trying to forget Satan and the role that he played at the rebellion in that first earth age. We see that Satan was not in the conversation with Job and his friends at this time. They all have overlooked the overall plan of God. However had Job known the plan of God, where would he have been then, when the foundations of this earth were laid and the angels were rejoicing? Of course He would have been there with the rest of them, where we all were. You see, we the elect of God were chosen before the foundations of this earth were laid, and so was Job.

He ,our Father made this earth for us,His children.

We lived on this earth until Lucifer as he was known then,decided he wanted to be top dog.Had he not this earth would had remained perfect and we would never had been made flesh.

satan led a coup in which he convinced 1/3 of Gods children to follow him,so,instead of God at that time destroying satan and all that followed ,he destroyed the age and came up with a plan to give us a choice to whom we would follow.

Our earth was perfect when He(God) created it ,it became void and without form at the rebellion of satan.
 
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To be clear, then, you are saying there is no physical resurrection? Where we are restored to our bodies terrestrial, to live on the terrestrial orb?

Much love!
Mark

Not exactly what I'm trying to say,many think when you say spirit,it has no mass however it does,we walked with the dinosaurs

The flesh was made for us to be born of woman with no recollection of what happened before,our choice now,again to chose God or satan ,we have free will and except for the elect God dosn't no who will chose Him .By the way my next topic....
 
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To start, understand the flesh will not rise,at death the flesh goes back to dust.
Looks like you are off to a poor start. The flesh goes back to the dust upon death, but the resurrection creates a new transformed and glorified body! A body has flesh and bones, as did the resurrected Savior.

LUKE 24

37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. [no flesh and bones]
38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them,Have ye here any meat?
42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. (John 20:27)

So the message to you is "be not faithless, but believing".
 

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Okay I'm back,now trying to figure out where to start,well what better place than Ecclesiastes

Ecclesiastes 12:6 "Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern."

When that silver cord parts, and the heavenly Father allows it to happen, and this flesh body becomes biologically dead, the very inner man departs from this physical body, and returns to the Father. This decaying body will never be used again, ever. For the soul has entered into its new incorruptible body.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God Who gave it."

The dust is of the earth as scripture clearly shows,meaning our FLESH is dust..... And to quote one of my favorite songs(dust in the wind)

I know for a fact that Christ was risen from the dead,so please as I continue don't accuse me of not believing this fact....

I'm going to do this slow,so I'm gonna stop here for now,however will stop with a question.

What kind of body did Christ have before He was born of woman?

If you know for a fact that Christ rose from the dead, then you agree that Christ arose bodily. Flesh, bone, Spirit.

The Son did not have a human body prior to the incarnation.

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For all that are led by the Spirit, these are the Sons of God

don't be deceived by those mixing Life and Death imo
they don't mix. Not too hard to contemplate that however much you might want to believe otherwise, The Son can only be a Concept to you; you will never see Jesus' Body, nor see a Polaroid of it even. The Bible will tell us where the Body of Christ is, right. Run from anyone talking about the Body of Jesus imo
 
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2 Corinthians 5:2-3 (KJV)
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

Acts 7:59 (KJV)
59 And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
 

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THANK YOU ! I did not notice my mistake ...I was doing it in the middle of the night , on my iPad...so did not catch my blip!!! :oops:
I thought it was intentional... but maybe it was just providential, as my mind associated it with the valley of dry bones and the rather animated re-animation of the saints:

Ezekiel 37:7-10 : So I prophesied as I was commanded. And as I prophesied, there was a sound, and behold, a rattling, and the bones came together, bone to its bone. And I looked, and behold, there were sinews on them, and flesh had come upon them, and skin had covered them. But there was no breath in them. Then he said to me, “Prophesy to the breath; prophesy, son of man, and say to the breath, Thus says the Lord God: Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe on these slain, that they may live.” So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived and stood on their feet, an exceedingly great army.​
 

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We are talking about the angels here, that sang before the establishment of this earth age of the flesh. All souls were there and Satan also was there with all of them.

These two parts are non-sequitor.

". . . the angels here, that sang . . ." and "All souls were there . . .", because angels were there does not mean that all souls had been made, and were present.

Much love!
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Not exactly what I'm trying to say,many think when you say spirit,it has no mass however it does,we walked with the dinosaurs

The flesh was made for us to be born of woman with no recollection of what happened before,our choice now,again to chose God or satan ,we have free will and except for the elect God dosn't no who will chose Him .By the way my next topic....

Pre-existence of the soul and subsequent incarnation of all people, and denial of our physical resurrection.

I don't have anything else to say.

Much love!
Mark
 

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Many ,and I dare say a lot,heck the majority don't understand the resurrection ,in this OP I will try to explain

To start, understand the flesh will not rise,at death the flesh goes back to dust.

Gonna stop right here,I shall return,any thoughts before I do,please share!

Amen.
Ecclesiastes 12:7 "and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it."
 

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So will Jesus have holes in his hand and feet forever ?

God dug those holes in the Eternal Council of His Will, so not forevermore? Jesus was raised from the dead and exalted on the throne of God with those holes. Does it make Him less Almighty Saviour? It makes Him Saviour indeed and eternally in the past, present and future, "THIS SAME JESUS YE CRUCIFIED GOD RAISED CHRIST AND LORD!"
God, provided those nails and God with that hammer drove those holes through. No Roman soldiers, they were only instruments in God's Will.
 
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Enoch111

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Why would He?
For the simple reason that His resurrected and glorified body carries the marks of His crucifixion for eternity. That is a powerful truth. Had He or the Father chosen to obliterate those marks, that would have been very simple. But that was not a divine decision.

...and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain... (Rev 5:6)