We really CAN'T answer some of these

Taken · Apr 7, 2019

Willie T said:
(continued)

31. How Can We Accurately Define Sin if We Deny God's Law?
.... Sin is Rejecting Belief In God.

32. Does God Answer Prayers of Lawbreakers?
....Depends on IF they are Converted.

33. Do We Really Love the Brethren if We Disobey God's Laws?
.... Yes.

34. How Can We Identify Christians if We Ignore God's Law?
.... A converted man will NEVER declare .... Disbelief IN the Father, Son, Holy
.... Spirit.

35. How Can We Know if We are "Dead to Sin" if We Ignore God's Law?
.... If A MAN HAS confessed his heartfelt
.... belief, He becomes DEAD TO SIN, by
.... the ACT of thee Lord who Converts
.... the man.

36. How Can We "Walk in Newness of Life" if We Disobey God's Law?
.... KEEPING Gods Law of;
.... Thee Lord God Almighty Above ALL
.... things, AND Loving ALL men, IS
.... KEPT unto the man, BY the
.... indwelling POWER (HS) of God.

37. How Can We Stop "Serving Sin" if We Disobey God's Law?
.... Become Converted.

38. Since God's Law Can't Kill Us, Won't it Help Us to Live?
.... No.

39. How Can Sin Still "Reign" in Us if We Obey God's Law?
.... Sin doesn't "still" reign in a
.... converted man.

40. Aren't Those Who Disobey God's Law "Instruments of Unrighteousness"?
.... No.

41. What Does "Under Grace, Not Law" Mean?
.... Under Grace; Accepted Gods Offering
.... of His Grace, to become Saved and
.... Quickened.
.... Not under the Law; not an
.... adherent Jew; Has Accepted the Lord
.... Jesus fulfilled the Law.

42. Are We Free to Ignore God's Law if We are "Under Grace"?
.... We are KEPT adherent to the TWO
.... Great Commandments by the
.... indwelling POWER of God.

43. Is a Christian's "New Spirit" Opposed to God's Law?
.... No. It is opposed to the mans "OLD
.... natural spirit.

44. Is the Law of God "Carnal," or Holy, Just, and Good?
.... The Law of God IS Holy, Just, &
.... Good.

45. How Can We "Walk After the Spirit" if We Disobey God's Law?
.... YIPES..yawn on repetative questions.
.... IF one IS CONVERTED, THEY ARE
.... KEPT IN REQUIRED OBEDIENCE
.... BY THE INDWELLING POWER OF
.... GOD!!!!!!

46. Isn't a "Carnal Mind" One Which is Opposed to God's Law?
.... To Gods Law? No.
.... Against God? Yes.

47. How Can We "Mortify the Flesh" if We Disobey God's Law?
.... "WE" don't mortifying the Flesh.

48. Didn't Paul Believe that the Specifics of God's Law Still Apply?
.... Sure.

49. How Can We Separate the "Moral Law" from God's Laws?
.... Moral Law? <--- Man made Term.
.... Gods Term ---> Precepts.
.... Gods Law is between a man & God.
.... Precepts are between man & man.
.... Separated by default of relationship.

50. Doesn't Faith in Christ Establish God's Law?
....No

51. Aren't Those Who Obey God's Law the "Salt of the Earth"?
.... Not exclusively.

52. Isn't a "City on a Hill" to be an Example for the World?
.... A city? Not particularly.

53. Should We Limit the Areas to be Illuminated by Our "Light"?
.... Yes.

54. How Can Christians be Resurrected Before the Millennium?
.... Become Converted.

55. Doesn't God's Kingdom Grow Slowly Until it Fills the Earth?
.... Slowly? No.

56. Doesn't "Leaven" Mean Victory?
.... In context, it can.

57. Didn't Christ’s Kingdom Begin Before the Crucifixion?
.... Yes.

58. Wasn't Satan Cast Out of Heaven During Jesus' Earthly Ministry?
.... No.

59. Isn't Faith Progressively Productive Until Christians Win?
.... Incomplete thought.
.... Win what?

60. How Can Satan Rule the World if Power Comes from Righteousness?
.... How Satan USES Power from God;
.... becomes accounted righteous or
.... unrighteous unto Satan.

61. Aren't Christians Supposed to Crush Satan?
.... Crush? No.
.... Reject? Overcome? Yes

62. What Can Possibly Interrupt Christ's Dominion?
.... Nothing.

63. Isn't Christ's Kingdom in this World?
.... Within Converted men? Yes.
.... Visible to Natural eyes? No.

64. Doesn't the New Testament Teach that Christians are Powerful?
.... Powerful? No
.... Have the Power of the Holy Spirit?
.... Have Gods Fullness of HIS Power
.... within them? Yes.

65. Aren't Christians Supposed to Execute Judgment?
.... Just Judgement? Yes

66. Why Shouldn't Christians Become Civil Rulers and Enforce God's Law?
.... Civil "Rulers", no clue what that is.
.... Enforce God's Law? They can in
.... their own Home; ie Castle Domain.

67. Doesn't the Bible Require an Appeals Court?
.... Appeal? No

68. Won't the Resurrection Take Place After the Millennium?
.... For some? Yes.

69. Won't Men Live Longer as God's Kingdom Progresses?
.... Incomplete thought.
.... Mortals shall die.
.... Immortals have eternal life.

70. Doesn't Christ's Kingdom Expand Over Time?
.... No.

71. Doesn't God Want His "Heirs" to Inherit Everything?
.... No.

72. Didn't The Prophets Foresee the Church Age?
.... No.

73. Didn't David Foresee the Church Age?
.... No.

74. Didn't Moses Foresee the Church Age?
.... No.

75. Aren't There Two Kinds of Salvation?
.... One Spiritual Salvation.

Summary Analysis;
Presumed to establish a Christian Point of View, then posed questions that did not apply exclusively to Christians.
Not particularly impressed with the Questions.

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken · Apr 7, 2019

Willie T said:
BTW this is one of the 40, or so, books I have on my computer in MS WORD Format, and I can email it to anyone who wants to see the rest of what was said.

Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass.

I wasn't impressed with the questions, doubt the rest of the book would interest me.

God Bless,
Taken

GerhardEbersoehn · Apr 8, 2019

Willie T said:
I think it is literal. But, is it specifically only the Saturday that Jews say it has to be?

No, it is literal, but, is specifically only "the Seventh Day GOD THUS CONCERNING SPAKE .. BY THE SON IN THESE LAST DAYS", "when God RAISED Him from the dead and RESTED Him on the right hand of God His Heavenly Majesty" -- which the Jews like all Christians DENY and say it has nothing to do with the "Sabbath OF THE LORD HE RESTED REVIVING AND REVIVED RESTING ON" "BY THE SON" "HIS NAME BEING RESTED UP AGAIN, HIS HEAVENLY MAJESTY THE MOST HOLY PLACE"!

GerhardEbersoehn · Apr 8, 2019

Enoch111 said:
It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to elect some for salvation and others for damnation. That would be a violation of His character and His Gospel.

No, rejected with due disrespect!
This is your, twisted, view of God's Election which is both a violation and insult of both God's character and the Gospel of his Christ. You have no, but NO idea of the grotesque caricature you make of God's sovereign freedom and power to choose some of LOST mankind to save them from JUST DESERVED AND OWED, everlasting annihilation.

GerhardEbersoehn · Apr 8, 2019

Christiaan Gerhardus Ebersöhn
I don’t need to trade lies in order to publish and survive. I don’t make a living out of the Gospel of Christ, so I can afford to speak truth. I'm not a scholar, so I don't have to be popular and esteemed.

Dave L · Apr 8, 2019

Nancy said:
Does anybody ever think that the "Church" gatherings were not meant to "get people saved" but to build each other up in the faith, encourage, help one another then...we go back to our own lives and live what we know to be true. I see that from there is the starting point of Jesus saying "Go, and make disciples..." It is the lost who need saving and the children of God who need to gather for prayer, fellowship, encouragement strength... -TO GO and spread the Gospel? to those "without" the Church?

I believe the Church is for teaching, the street for preaching..............

Kermos · Apr 8, 2019

BreadOfLife said:
Ummmmm, what does ANY of this have to do with what I posted??

You appear to be supportive of the false doctrine of the ability to choose Jesus by the context of your post #59.

In 1 Timothy 2:1-6, the Apostle Paul did not write that all men can choose Christ. Paul did not write that people can exercise willpower to be saved. The passage does not support Armenianism nor freewill nor the ability to choose Jesus. Here is the "Examination of "all" in 1 Timothy 2:1-6 in the Light of our Lord Jesus Post (in this thread)"

Please see "Predestination Means God Destined Beforehand Including Salvation Post (in this thread)" which remains true according to the Spirit! Man cannot choose Jesus, period, Jesus chooses men (John 15:16). Acknowledge Lord Jesus in all your ways, and He will make your path straight - do not be deceived by the teachings of men - trust in Him with all your heart - He is the door of the sheep. This is quoting Proverbs 3:5-6 and Matthew 7:13-14 and Matthew 22:37-40 and Luke 13:23-24 and John 10:7).

Willie T · Apr 8, 2019

Dave L said:
I believe the Church is for teaching, the street for preaching..............

I believe that in essence, but probably not in "practice" the way you might (and the way I KNOW some others here do). I believe "the street" (anywhere not confined to the walls of our buildings) is for meeting and helping others.... but definitely NOT our "hunting grounds" for shoving tracts in people's faces, and bellowing at them from a "sidewalk pulpit."

Willie T · Apr 8, 2019

Taken said:
Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass.

I wasn't impressed with the questions, doubt the rest of the book would interest me.

God Bless,
Taken

You may be right; it was written mainly as something to think about, and ponder, not to be impressed by how clever the questions might be.

tzcho2 · Apr 8, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
I just went and verified that those are still in there, regardless of your stated perspective on the matter, or whether you maybe cannot find them or whatever? Dunno, and don't care, as you could always ask if you are having trouble finding them, but you aren't doing that at all right?
"You" would rather make laws about Quoting, I guess? That wadr I do not have to follow, see, and I note that when you do you still manage to mangle Scripture, so no offense but I'll stick with my way, which allows you to hopefully claim some deniability later, see?
If I were to Quote like you say then those last three vv would undeniably fall upon you, whereas this way you at least have an excuse.
And let's admit that you don't want to touch those Scriptures with a ten foot pole anyway, right?

Stop making claims about me that you dreamed up in your own mind.
Apparently you don't understand that taking a single word out of scripture , like "sheep" or the word "kingdom" and then claiming it's "quoting" scripture is not in fact true , no matter how many times you jump up and down and claim it is. The word scripture has a dictionary definition . A scripture is a group of words i.e a passage, what it is not is just one single word ripped out from the text. In order to understand the meaning intended, any particular scripture needs to be read & understood within the context of the paragraph that it is written, which means you look at the content , message, and theme of text directly around that passage in order to understand it's meaning.
Sorry, but your ranting posts border on incomprehensible and irrational.

bbyrd009 · Apr 8, 2019

Nancy said:
When speaking of these habits; "but prolly lots of ways to leave the habits of the world I guess?" (underline mine ) I was generally asking if this is the kind of thing you meant by your comment.

ya, and I hate to say "no" bc most ppl have destructive habits that should slough off, but I wouldn't make that a focus in the way that we do. I would make the part of you that goes there the focus, if anything. Bc don't go in the way of the gentiles? Doesn't the whole world make New Years "resolutions?"

So don't get me wrong, that will likely be a stop on the way, making resolutions and then struggling with them, but for me anyway they ended up being a way to keep ego intact rather than overcome it. A way to keep my old life, by cleaning the outside of the cup, maybe

"we like to keep the two separate I guess huh." Physical and spiritual you mean here?

yes, sorry. "Flesh doesn't profit" is imo an intentionally misleading statement that should be interpreted "flesh thinking doesn't profit" but usually gets changed to fit with our beliefs?

"you know any Bible- thumpers preaching that?" Lol...I don't listen to or read bible thumpers. And, your question went right over my head

sorry, do you know anyone who holds that Bible is Word teaching people to do what Christ said to do, literally, in sending out the 70, His disciples, or the 12, His apostles? Know anyone at all period teaching that?

Fwiw there are ppl teaching that I guess, it's just an ego-overcoming exercise, the Hare's have a version, etc

Many Christians still smoke cigarettes and many do not take care of their bodies, I don't say they are sinning, ever! This is not a "works" thing I am talking about here, lol. And...yes, Paul became all things to all people...I see this as having NO judgement of these people because of their "worldly habits" but loved them despite them.
I'm pretty sure he did not become a drunkard with those with that particular addiction, or any other addiction but, just loved and gave them the Word of God...IMHO ♥

"Not saying that those are not good things to quit, don't get me wrong; but I would never bring any of those up to you as my friend if you were doing them, now anyway."

And, neither would I

well but this is not what we are initially encouraged to do in our standard model, right; you learned that the hard way, by cleaning the inside of the cup imo

bbyrd009 · Apr 8, 2019

tzcho2 said:
Stop making claims about me that you dreamed up in your own mind.
Apparently you don't understand that taking a single word out of scripture , like "sheep" or the word "kingdom" and then claiming it's "quoting" scripture is not in fact true , no matter how many times you jump up and down and claim it is. The word scripture has a dictionary definition . A scripture is a group of words i.e a passage, what it is not is just one single word ripped out from the text. In order to understand the meaning intended, any particular scripture needs to be read & understood within the context of the paragraph that it is written, which means you look at the content , message, and theme of text directly around that passage in order to understand it's meaning.
Sorry, but your ranting posts border on incomprehensible and irrational.

Regardless I guess,
There is only One Immortal, and
No one has ever gone up to heaven
are both Scripture, and neither is hard to find?

I know these are not pleasant for you to contemplate ok, but they are in the Bible nonetheless? So hopefully you might see how the Bible is often (always iow) more like Holy Water to those who claim to hold It in the highest regard, see.

There is no ambiguity in those at all, they lead to only one Passage each, etc, so following your arbitrary rules will not ameliorate the problem any i guess; past experience informs me that that is not what this is all about anyway, and you still would not respond even with the numbers

But if you are genuinely having a problem finding them, just say so ok

Kermos · Apr 8, 2019

Enoch111 said:
This is generally used by Calvinists to "prove" Unconditional Election, but that is not what it means. Here is what that Scripture is teaching us:

1. The Father (as well as the Son and the Holy Spirit) draw ALL MEN to Christ through the Gospel. The whole point of the preaching of the Gospel is to bring sinners to the Savior. Therefore Christ's command to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.

2. Those who believe are (1) justified by grace, (2) sanctified by the Spirit, (3) regenerated by the Spirit, and (4) made children of God through the supernatural New Birth. They also become a part of the Body, Bride, and Building of Christ. Christ is the divine Bridegroom and the Father gives the Bride (the Church) to the Son for the Marriage of the Lamb. The Church is called "the Lamb's Wife".

3. These are the ones given to the Son by the Father, and they will surely come to Christ, since they have fully trusted in Him and His finished work of redemption.

4. All those who come to Christ "as little children" with repentance and faith are received by Him into the family or God, and they will never be cast out. Because they are "in Christ".

It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to elect some for salvation and others for damnation. That would be a violation of His character and His Gospel.

I am a Christian. I am not a Calvinist. I am a Christian because I follow Christ Jesus my Lord and my God.

In your response, Enoch111, in your first sentence of your first point you attempt to change the meaning of the words that Lord Jesus spoke as recorded by the Apostle John (John 6:37). You changed either "gives" and/or "will come" to your replacement of "draw". After that unsuccessful change of meaning of Jesus' words in John 6:37, you apply your unscriptural leaven amongst some truth but a little leaven leavens the whole loaf and your leaven being that men choose Jesus (or some such freewill construct) as well as more of your leaven being your claim that God is incapable. Don't forget that in response to "Then who can be saved?", Lord Jesus said:

"With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:26)

Your foundation for your argument is shifting sand with respect to John 6:37. Our Lord Jesus said:

"All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out." (John 6:37)

Your theology, as encapsulated in your last sentence of your post, has a significant problem with:

"The LORD keeps all who love Him, But all the wicked He will destroy." (Psalm 145:20)

"Even before there is a word on my tongue, Behold, O LORD, You know it all." (Psalm 139:4)

Your theology contains a fatal flaw as exposed by the words of the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter].
22 "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell - and great was its fall."
(Matthew 7:21-27)

Behold, the Lord Jesus says to some people "I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME", and those same people that are cast out say "Lord, Lord". It is our Lord Jesus Christ Who says "I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME", and it is the same Lord Jesus Christ Who is the Lamb as in where the Apostle John recorded that the names of people "written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain" (Revelation 13:8) then it is also written "if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire" (Revelation 20:15), and respecting the New Jerusalem it is written that the ones who successfully enter it are "only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Revelation 21:27). It is important to read the entirety of the Revelation given to the Apostle John!

The Word of God brings Life to the dead. We saved believers rejoice in love with our Lord Jesus Christ, and we pray always just the Son of God taught us and the Spirit of God gives us utterance!

Please see "Examination of "all" in 1 Timothy 2:1-6 in the Light of our Lord Jesus Post (in this thread)" and "The Apostle Paul does not indicate 'choose Jesus' nor freewill to salvation in 1 Timothy 2:1-6 Post".

Please see "Predestination Means God Destined Beforehand Including Salvation Post (in this thread)" which remains true according to the Spirit! Man cannot choose Jesus, period, Jesus chooses men (John 15:16). Acknowledge Lord Jesus in all your ways, and He will make your path straight - do not be deceived by the teachings of men - trust in Him with all your heart - He is the door of the sheep. This is quoting Proverbs 3:5-6 and Matthew 7:13-14 and Matthew 22:37-40 and Luke 13:23-24 and John 10:7).

bbyrd009 · Apr 8, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
No, rejected with due disrespect!
This is your, twisted, view of God's Election which is both a violation and insult of both God's character and the Gospel of his Christ. You have no, but NO idea of the grotesque caricature you make of God's sovereign freedom and power to choose some of LOST mankind to save them from JUST DESERVED AND OWED, everlasting annihilation.

ah, the "we're not worthy" thing, ya...I desire mercy, not sacrifice is still a ways down the road from there I guess? It's hard to portray Yourself as Master Gardener (or Father for that matter imo) to ppl who feel the need to sacrifice to an Angry and Capricious God, huh?

I forget how I got cured of this particular evil myself, a study on God as Provider I think it was, I forget God's Title for that, but anyway I guess it is intrinsic to our definition of "saved," by which I already know, see, that you mean "going up to heaven to become an immortal after I have literally died" right?

That's where "we're not worthy" comes from I guess, and no offense but it's pure crap imo ok

bbyrd009 · Apr 8, 2019

Taken said:
Thanks for the offer, but I'll pass.

I wasn't impressed with the questions, doubt the rest of the book would interest me.

God Bless,
Taken

Ah well he did not single you out for the offer or anything right
lol
so I mean see what you did there

bbyrd009 · Apr 8, 2019

Kermos said:
Man cannot choose Jesus

Kermos said:
Acknowledge Lord Jesus in all your ways

you might clarify here some

GerhardEbersoehn · Apr 8, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
ah, the "we're not worthy" thing, ya...I desire mercy, not sacrifice is still a ways down the road from there I guess? It's hard to portray Yourself as Master Gardener (or Father for that matter imo) to ppl who feel the need to sacrifice to an Angry and Capricious God, huh?

I forget how I got cured of this particular evil myself, a study on God as Provider I think it was, I forget God's Title for that, but anyway I guess it is intrinsic to our definition of "saved," by which I already know, see, that you mean "going up to heaven to become an immortal after I have literally died" right?

That's where "we're not worthy" comes from I guess, and no offense but it's pure crap imo ok

Man, while you have no idea of what I or you speak, PLEASE just shut up?

bbyrd009 · Apr 8, 2019

GerhardEbersoehn said:
Man, while you have no idea of what I or you speak, PLEASE just shut up?

Ha, you are kidding, I hope.
If I have no idea then why are you acting like you just got stuck with a hot poker, GE?

"We're not worthy" is a theology made to belittle others and elevate self, as I'm sure you will see
I mean don't get me wrong ok, I'm all for humility, but does that pov ever engender it in your experience?

Or are you upset bc of the immortality thing, I guess? Not sure what to say there tbh, my apologies maybe, or if the shoe fits wear it maybe, dunno. I feel for you, yes, but you are also the one making definitive statements as if you knew, right, so how might someone contest one of your statements without offending?

Death More Abundantly simply isn't the Way, ok, and if you are going to pretend it is then maybe you might write a blog, or a book maybe, something not subject to the fire iow, and no offense meant ok, I only mean to reject the perspective, not you

Nancy · Apr 8, 2019

bbyrd009 said:
ah, the "we're not worthy" thing, ya...I desire mercy, not sacrifice is still a ways down the road from there I guess? It's hard to portray Yourself as Master Gardener (or Father for that matter imo) to ppl who feel the need to sacrifice to an Angry and Capricious God, huh?

I forget how I got cured of this particular evil myself, a study on God as Provider I think it was, I forget God's Title for that, but anyway I guess it is intrinsic to our definition of "saved," by which I already know, see, that you mean "going up to heaven to become an immortal after I have literally died" right?

That's where "we're not worthy" comes from I guess, and no offense but it's pure crap imo ok

Jehova Jireh...And, He is my provider for sure

bbyrd009 · Apr 8, 2019

Enoch111 said:
This is generally used by Calvinists to "prove" Unconditional Election, but that is not what it means. Here is what that Scripture is teaching us:

1. The Father (as well as the Son and the Holy Spirit) draw ALL MEN to Christ through the Gospel. The whole point of the preaching of the Gospel is to bring sinners to the Savior. Therefore Christ's command to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature.

2. Those who believe are (1) justified by grace, (2) sanctified by the Spirit, (3) regenerated by the Spirit, and (4) made children of God through the supernatural New Birth. They also become a part of the Body, Bride, and Building of Christ. Christ is the divine Bridegroom and the Father gives the Bride (the Church) to the Son for the Marriage of the Lamb. The Church is called "the Lamb's Wife".

3. These are the ones given to the Son by the Father, and they will surely come to Christ, since they have fully trusted in Him and His finished work of redemption.

4. All those who come to Christ "as little children" with repentance and faith are received by Him into the family or God, and they will never be cast out. Because they are "in Christ".

It is IMPOSSIBLE for God to elect some for salvation and others for damnation. That would be a violation of His character and His Gospel.

i gotta agree in spirit here

We really CAN'T answer some of these

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