Very seriously, will you give us some short, explicit bullet-points on the differences?
For instance: Men think this about ________ , but God says this ________ .
We really CAN'T answer some of these
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For instance: Men think this about ________ , but God says this ________ .
The bigger problem is that Calvinists themselves do not understand predestination as God sees it, yet they refuse to abandon their false doctrine (and those questions are all from a Calvinist).
God does NOT predestine anyone for either salvation or damnation. And that is because the offer of eternal life is to all mankind. The grace of God is for all mankind. The Gospel is for all mankind. Christ is for all mankind. Salvation is for all mankind. The Bible is crystal clear about this fundamental truth.
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. (Isaiah 45:22).
This verse does not make sense as it has been translated, however, if we understanding thus, it does: -
"Look unto me, and be saved, all {i.e. the people} at the end of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else."
Right up and until the last bell/call, salvation is available to all the peoples of the earth.
Shalom
Says who? All is possible for the Almighty except for Him to have his own will or make his own choice like Enoch111, whose infinite almighty choice is made himself, 1x1x1x0=0forever.
Self-deception in the end brings no peace. All will not be saved; all are not redeemed.
Earburner
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All your questions are answered, once you gain God's perspective on it. Isa. 55:8-9; John 16:13.
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John 3:18- ALL, who are physically born in the flesh, through the seed of Adam, are condemned already.
But ALL who believe in Christ are not condemned.
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Col. 3:3- If you are "born again", through faith in Christ, then you were made dead by the application of His Blood to your life.
Therefore, your life is not found (seen) by God the Father in any way, and as result, you should stop looking for it.
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Study:
Gal.2[20] I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
Earburner
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Do you find fault because I have said that Salvation is available to all of the people of the earth which is not of your understanding because you want to qualify who the people are that will receive their salvation right up and until the very end of the earth as we know it. Because salvation is available right up and until the end of the earth, it does not mean that the people will respond appropriately.
Shalom
- Men think predestination is God choosing men for salvation and condemnation.
- God says predestination is applied to those He knew in advance, that they - only they - are predestined to become like Jesus.
Nancy
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Hey guys, ever hear of "panmillennialism"? We really don't KNOW for sure but, it will all "Pan" out in the end.
I read that out of an article: The Millennial Maze
by Keith Mathison
Here is the literal translation from the Hebrew: Look to me and be saved all you ends of the earth for I [am] God and [there is] no other.
כָּל־ אַפְסֵי־ אָ֑רֶץ
(kol-) (af·sei-) (a·retz)
But, if for instance, God planned the crucifixion, then weren't the whole cast of the people that carried it out, predestined to do what they did.... and were they not, therefore, damned before they did a thing? Even damned and condemned before they were born because of the part they were predestined to play in Jesus' death? I mean, not a single one of them ever had a chance of being "saved", right?
Earburner
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Lol. Unfortunately, concerning the maze of beliefs, that have been fabricated, through the use of the term "millennium", is all generated by a gross misunderstanding of when the First Resurrection WAS, and WHO was involved. Rev. 20[6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power,Hey guys, ever hear of "panmillennialism"? We really don't KNOW for sure but, it will all "Pan" out in the end.
The Millennial Maze
by Keith Mathison
but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
So then
By not inserting the "M" word for "a thousand years" , we take away the power of assumption of preconceived thought, that begs us on to describe "a thousand years" according to our thinking of literal time.
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Now let's examine a verse that explains nothing for how we observe time, but rather how God defines time, as He relates to it in His Eternity:
2Peter 3
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years [is with the Lord] as one day.
Earburner
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So the question remains: who and when is Rev. 20:6 speaking of?
1. Jesus is The First Resurrection.
2. Blessed and holy [are WE] who have taken part as a participant in HIS Resurrection, being made to be "partakers of the divine nature". 2 Peter 1:4
3. All of such are NOW priests of God and Christ, and do now reign with him in HIS kingdom on the earth. That kingdom is the period that most believers call "THE age of God's Grace" , which began ever since Christ Ascended, and gave the Holy Spirit to people of faith in Christ.
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Since God does NOT count time as we do, he has put no time limit on His Age of Grace, but rather describes it's end, when people on the earth will no longer seek Him by faith. Luke 18:8; 2 Thes. 2:3
1. Jesus is The First Resurrection.
2. Blessed and holy [are WE] who have taken part as a participant in HIS Resurrection, being made to be "partakers of the divine nature". 2 Peter 1:4
3. All of such are NOW priests of God and Christ, and do now reign with him in HIS kingdom on the earth. That kingdom is the period that most believers call "THE age of God's Grace" , which began ever since Christ Ascended, and gave the Holy Spirit to people of faith in Christ.
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Since God does NOT count time as we do, he has put no time limit on His Age of Grace, but rather describes it's end, when people on the earth will no longer seek Him by faith. Luke 18:8; 2 Thes. 2:3
Earburner
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The Age of God's Grace is symbolically being shown as "a thousand years", which is equivalent to saying " for a very long time", having no defined end by God in time, as He perceives time.
Earburner
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Will there be a bodily resurrection of the believer into immortality as Jesus is now?
Yes!
But first, we are only made to be "partakers" of the divine nature, by His Holy Spirit, until He physically returns from Heaven in flaming fire, in the fulness of all His Glory. It is that time, that we shall be "changed into His likeness".
Yes!
But first, we are only made to be "partakers" of the divine nature, by His Holy Spirit, until He physically returns from Heaven in flaming fire, in the fulness of all His Glory. It is that time, that we shall be "changed into His likeness".
#25 Did Jesus die for all men?
The answer is Yes.
He Offered His flesh body, for the life of the world.
The FACT is Being OFFERED Something, requires one to ACCEPT the Offering, Before one RECEIVES the Offering.
The FACT is Many Reject Accepting His Offering.
The FACT is those who Accept His Offering, become Sanctified Once.
The Fact is those who Reject His Offering does not change the Fact Jesus made the Offering.
John 6
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
Heb 10
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the Offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
God Bless,
Taken
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