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God will especially punish them if they are saved:

Amo 3:2, You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

That was written under Mosaic, not the church. And it was written for punishment on the earth, not in heaven.

When appropriate God does correct Christians. But you have shown me nothing that rises to that level. Nor am I asking what you're talking about.
 

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And neither are you their judge.

Hebrews 12:6 is in the New Testament. I certainly don't mind if the Lord executes vengeance on them while they are on the earth.
 

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The specific scripture concerns speaking evil of your brother...and I believe that it applies to what has been happening to me at the hands of this Calvinist gang.
I haven't read what's been said about you but if any of it is an indictment of your character, motives, or eternal destiny, that's wrong.
 
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What they have been doing may indeed be damaging to my standing as a minister here; because it was so disrespectful and because I am not used to such treatment and therefore I did not know how to react to it with dignity.
Everyone gets a bit heated on message boards. Ideally it should not happen, but it does. Sometimes we post past each other. Sometimes we just sin. I do not take offense that you accused me of being unsaved, or a worker of Satan.
I did take offense at your unwillingness to respond as requested. You made a charge, we responded, and you went ad hominem.
Moving forward lets stay in scripture and answer or interact with what is being asked.
 

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To make things clear, the latter post was, in the previous thread, your way of calling me a crybaby over the way I responded to your abuse. Such Christian charity!

It appears that all of the bullies that used to harass me in elementary school grew up and became Calvinists; but they never stopped acting like they were in elementary school.

I've gotten better treatment when witnessing to atheists.
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Oh my, there is so much un-Christian behavior on here. Why is there so much quarreling on this forum? Does anyone think that we should have a dispute resolution area on here?
 

justbyfaith

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Everyone gets a bit heated on message boards. Ideally it should not happen, but it does. Sometimes we post past each other. Sometimes we just sin. I do not take offense that you accused me of being unsaved, or a worker of Satan.
I did take offense at your unwillingness to respond as requested. You made a charge, we responded, and you went ad hominem. and i had to take the key, open the door, and take
Moving forward lets stay in scripture and answer or interact with what is being asked.
That shows a degree of maturity. My questioning your salvation was in fact a test of whether you were saved or not. If you had taken offence, that would have been a sign that you were not saved. And I think that I told @Preacher4Truth that it was satan who was behind his accusatory comments; I don't recall saying that to you (unless you are counting the fact that I said I am lumping you all into one group; or unless you also made accusatory comments that I am unaware of).

As for my being unwilling to respond as requested, I believe that I did respond. Maybe my response wasn't satisfactory to you; because you did not have an answer for what I said about it.

But I will respond here again just in case you still don't see it.

This is my response to the thing in question:

Romans 5:1-2 is indeed about believers. But I will set it forth to you as a parable. It is like saying that because I am currently living in my mansion, that I always lived in my mansion. The reality is that Jesus had to give me the key to my mansion; and I had to take the key, open the door, and take possession of my mansion.

In this parable, living in the mansion represents standing in the grace of the Lord. The door is Jesus, and the key to the door is faith; which we put in the door to be able to open it; iow, we place our faith in Jesus. The fact that I didn't always live in my mansion represents the fact that I was born dead in trespasses and sins: the fact that I must needs have used the key to open the door and take possession of my mansion at some point represents the fact that I had to believe in order to gain access to the grace wherein I stand; and that there was a time in which I did not believe and that in that time my only way to access my mansion was to ask Jesus for the key and then to take that key, once it was given, to open the door to my mansion. I think that the following scripture is almost integral: Mat 7:7, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: Mat 7:8, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. I suggest to those who even believe in Calvinism that they ask the Lord to make them into a vessel of honour and mercy. What can it hurt? It is still the Lord who saves; but He does so at your request. If anyone will not call on the name of the Lord because they are afraid that they would be abandoning "the true gospel", then understand that what you think is the true gospel is keeping you from taking the step into salvation that will change your life. Romans 10:13 is clear that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved; I would go so far as to say that those who will not call upon the name of the Lord shall not be saved. Therefore if your adherence to Calvinism is keeping you from taking this step into salvation, we are right about how dangerous it is to people; and how it is keeping people from doing what it takes to enter in to the kingdom.
 

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I haven't read what's been said about you but if any of it is an indictment of your character, motives, or eternal destiny, that's wrong.
The implication is that I'm worse than an unbeliever for that I am on SS/disability.
 

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My response (be sure to click and read the whole thing):

1Ti 5:17, Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

In accusing me of being worse than an unbeliever, your tongue is rising up against me in judgment.

And this is how I will react, though it is indeed asking for more abuse from my adversaries:

Abba Father, I ask you to convict @Preacher4Truth of his iniquity and to save him. Be knocking on the door of his heart Lord and convict him of sin and righteousness and judgment and draw him to Christ. I pray that he will hear the gospel as it truly is and receive it, whether long time or short. In Jesus' Name, Amen.

1Co 9:3, Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
1Co 9:4, Have we not power to eat and to drink?
1Co 9:5, Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
1Co 9:6, Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?

Act 6:1, And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministration.
Act 6:2, Then the twelve called the multitude of the disciples unto them, and said, It is not reason that we should leave the word of God, and serve tables.
Act 6:3, Wherefore, brethren, look ye out among you seven men of honest report, full of the Holy Ghost and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business.
Act 6:4, But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.
 
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That shows a degree of maturity. My questioning your salvation was in fact a test of whether you were saved or not. If you had taken offence, that would have been a sign that you were not saved. And I think that I told @Preacher4Truth that it was satan who was behind his accusatory comments; I don't recall saying that to you (unless you are counting the fact that I said I am lumping you all into one group; or unless you also made accusatory comments that I am unaware of).

As for my being unwilling to respond as requested, I believe that I did respond. Maybe my response wasn't satisfactory to you; because you did not have an answer for what I said about it.

But I will respond here again just in case you still don't see it.

This is my response to the thing in question:

Romans 5:1-2 is indeed about believers. But I will set it forth to you as a parable. It is like saying that because I am currently living in my mansion, that I always lived in my mansion. The reality is that Jesus had to give me the key to my mansion; and I had to take the key, open the door, and take possession of my mansion.

In this parable, living in the mansion represents standing in the grace of the Lord. The door is Jesus, and the key to the door is faith; which we put in the door to be able to open it; iow, we place our faith in Jesus. The fact that I didn't always live in my mansion represents the fact that I was born dead in trespasses and sins: the fact that I must needs have used the key to open the door and take possession of my mansion at some point represents the fact that I had to believe in order to gain access to the grace wherein I stand; and that there was a time in which I did not believe and that in that time my only way to access my mansion was to ask Jesus for the key and then to take that key, once it was given, to open the door to my mansion. I think that the following scripture is almost integral: Mat 7:7, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: Mat 7:8, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. I suggest to those who even believe in Calvinism that they ask the Lord to make them into a vessel of honour and mercy. What can it hurt? It is still the Lord who saves; but He does so at your request. If anyone will not call on the name of the Lord because they are afraid that they would be abandoning "the true gospel", then understand that what you think is the true gospel is keeping you from taking the step into salvation that will change your life. Romans 10:13 is clear that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved; I would go so far as to say that those who will not call upon the name of the Lord shall not be saved. Therefore if your adherence to Calvinism is keeping you from taking this step into salvation, we are right about how dangerous it is to people; and how it is keeping people from doing what it takes to enter in to the kingdom.
Nope, nice try, you called me Satan, which doesn't hurt, just observing your lack of character and libelous nature. Also, you weren't "testing" @Anthony D'Arienzo, you were calling him lost. Man up and own yourself, you won't be able to employ your deceitfulness at the day of judgment, better own up here and now and repent.
 
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If you go to the original link, I changed it so that it links closer to the end of that thread where it will become more clear what I am talking about. It even becomes clear that certain people were even requiring me to hunt the thimble; so I can see where you are coming from on that.

I will place the new link here also:

Without unconditional Election,no one would be saved.

The great blessing if the teaching of unconditional election is a great blessing to all saints throughout time.

That is the first line of that thread. Sounds like double dutch to me.
 

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So you mean when @justbyfaith calls others lost, Holy Spirit blasphemers and Satan that it's wrong as well, or is there another standard for you all?
The character and motives of others is off limits. However, their beliefs and behavior is fair game for praise/criticism.
 

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@Preacher4Truth is going to continue to falsely say that I called him satan; when in all reality I was addressing the spirit that was behind his accusatory statements.

I have also publicly prayed for the salvation of those whose tongues have risen up against me in judgment; and I believe that I am within my rights to do so because of Isaiah 54:17.

I have also not singled out anyone as a a Holy Spirit blasphemer; but I have correctly taught that since tongues is a gift of the Holy Ghost, that those who say that tongues are of the devil are attributing what is of the Holy Ghost to the devil and that that is the definition of blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
 

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Nope, nice try, you called me Satan, which doesn't hurt, just observing your lack of character and libelous nature. Also, you weren't "testing" @Anthony D'Arienzo, you were calling him lost. Man up and own yourself, you won't be able to employ your deceitfulness at the day of judgment, better own up here and now and repent.
I am confident that on my day of judgment I can be consistent about my current behaviour and will stand before the Lord as one who is redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

And it was both. I was calling both of you lost at one point, in that I prayed for the salvation of your souls in a public manner. And it is also a good test of whether someone is saved or not; whether they take offence at the implication that they aren't saved. Those who are truly saved have the assurance of their salvation deep within (Romans 8:16); and so they will not be rattled if someone brings that into question. If it happened to me, it would be a cause for soul-searching to find out why the assessment was made and to try to determine what behaviour i exhibited that made the other person question it.
 

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I am confident that on my day of judgment I can be consistent about my current behaviour and will stand before the Lord as one who is redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

And it was both. I was calling both of you lost at one point, in that I prayed for the salvation of your souls in a public manner. And it is also a good test of whether someone is saved or not; whether they take offence at the implication that they aren't saved. Those who are truly saved have the assurance of their salvation deep within (Romans 8:16); and so they will not be rattled if someone brings that into question. If it happened to me, it would be a cause for soul-searching to find out why the assessment was made and to try to determine what behaviour i exhibited that made the other person question it.
So, calling us Satan and lost was a public way of you praying for our salvation? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on that one, much bigger fish to fry.

You know, if you recall, the entire reason you went off calling me those names and those things was for challenging your beliefs. Others did the same, simply for challenging their beliefs and asking them to back them up. Instead of doing that they went into libel, name-calling, ridicule.

By the way, you're taking Romans 8:16 way out of its intended purpose.

I'm happy that you like to think of and use Scripture. I do however hope and pray that you will come to a mature believer (all of us as well) and once and for all use Scripture properly. This far you use it out of context, mixing up prescriptive and descriptive texts, conflating them. Then the other manner in which you use Scripture is to beat people up with the word, out of context of course.

Let me end with this since you're so bold to do some soul-searching if someone may suggest you may be lost: Your behavior here toward several of us, libel, name-calling, attacks -- I'd wonder if you are truly converted if I were you. These are all acts of the flesh, works of the flesh, and you practice it to be honest. Couple that with the fact you rarely if ever get the word of God right, and it bolsters such a premise.

Just a thought. 1 Corinthians 2:14.
 
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@Preacher4Truth is going to continue to falsely say that I called him satan; when in all reality I was addressing the spirit that was behind his accusatory statements.


Hmmmm...you just admitted to doing so in the post I just responded to. You're unstable and all over the place.
 

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Hmmmm...you just admitted to doing so in the post I just responded to. You're unstable and all over the place.
I'm sorry that you think I called you satan. Truly I was addressing the spirit of accusation in that instance; not you. You might have been justified to address that spirit behind some of my statements towards you. I am trying to be humble here without lying and saying that I really did call you satan: it would be a lie if I said that I did. But if I had really called you satan, I would be apologizing to you right now for doing so. I can see how it can be offensive to be told that you are an instrument of satan.

If we can all learn to not to be so abrasive in our contact with people, our internet experience might be much more pleasant. Not that we should seek to have pleasantness in everything; there are times when the word of the Lord does cut like a two-edged sword, and that may not feel good to us. I admit that I have probably been abrasive myself; though I can not think back on any post where I was so. I think that I very likely have a selective memory; I only remember that which serves me at any given moment. But i do recognize that I have sinned in being abrasive myself; and I will seek to do better in the future.
 
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Some here need to have the seed of the scripture that I will quote planted in their hearts: the best way for this to happen is for you to read it and to determine to be obedient to it from now on:

Tit 3:1, Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work,
Tit 3:2, To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.