Will the Church be Judged?

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manichunter

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Will the Church of Jesus face a future judgment by God?I say yes, Scripture says in 1Pe 4:17 - For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?Why does anyone face judgment? Two reasons.First, judgment removes impurities and transgression out of the character of our soul. This is done when a person does voluntarily seek change on their own. God takes it upon Himself to appoint a season in which He takes things out of our character in order to prepare and promote us for the next season of our life. Jas 1:2-4- My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,, 3knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience. 4But let patience have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking nothing. This is the sort of trial encountered by Abraham, Joseph, Moses, David, Job, the Apostles that lead to their promotions and preparations for the next function and season in their life. The saints of today are not exempt from the purifications made by ordained trials God requires to promote us. This can be called the judgment of purification.Secondly, judgment is God's attempt to get His people out of the state of sin. God either tries to bring His people to repentance and get them to return to His ways, or He allows judgment to take them into captivity. He then either puts them on the shelf as a vessel of dishonor or destroys them like a heathen. This believer does not make an honest attempt to judge them self. They make little to know effort to change their understanding, lifestyle, and state. This can be called the judgment against iniquity or lawlessness.1Co 11:31 -For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. Heb 12:6 - For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives." Re 2:16 - Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fightagainstthem with the sword of My mouth. I say these things because the Lord has been showing me, preparing me, and about to promote me to some things that could either cause fear or joy in most saints. There is a reason why judgment always comes upon the people of God first. Simply, it is God's pattern and He changes not. He has always followed this pattern of judging His people first, then the nations secondly. However within the judging of His people, there are various stages and types of judgment. First, when God judges His people, He always gives a warning before judging His people as stated by Eze 3:17 - Son of man, I have made thee a watchman unto the house of Israel: therefore hear the word at my mouth, and give them warning from me. Secondly, when judgment comes upon His people, a remnant is always set aside becomes they have proven themselves faithful and repentive. They are judged collectively but their judgment works for their good and the good of those to follow. This remnant is a type of first fruit for the next harvest of God's people. They are given instructions by God and prophecy concerning what to do after the period of captivity is lifted. Hence they are prepared for the judgment and trials to come. Isa 1:9 - Except the LORD of hosts had left unto us a very small remnant, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah. Isa 37:31 - And the remnant that is escaped of the house of Judah shall again take root downward, and bear fruit upward: This is illustrated from Noah and Daniel to the believing disciples of Jesus. Jer 29:1 - Now these are the words of the letter that Jeremiah the prophet sent from Jerusalem unto the residue of the elders which were carried away captives, and to the priests, and to the prophets, and to all the people whom Nebuchadnezzar had carried away captive from Jerusalem to Babylon; Thirdly, when judgment comes upon God's people, he takes the unfaithful into captivity with a sentence of death. They are treated as a gentile sense they acted like a gentile. They face the same consequences of the heathen. God always judged Israel by a gentile nation, then turned around and judged the nation that captured Israel. Ho 8:8 - Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel wherein is no pleasure. Lastly, God judges the gentile nations for their sins and rebellion against Him. Now lets get to the point that the Spirit taught me. The time is near that judgment must begin at the house of the Lord. House denotes and refers to the people within a household not any physical building. The bride of Christ must be made ready if she is to be without spot, wrinkle, and blemish. The first fruit saints are being made ready to deliver the last message meant especially for the tribulation preparation. Who does God always send before His returns? Elijah's who prepare His way. The message has been and still is repent for the King is coming. It will be no different in the future. God wants the lamps full of oil and His people woke for His appearing. The clock says that the Day of Atonement is near. The period of atonement is about to start before the coming tribulation. This will be the period that the judgment of purification perfects those saints that fall upon the rock. After the trumpets start blowing the period of atonement is up. It will be too late to get the special revelation, power, awareness, and calling for the end time ministry needed during the tribulation. End time ministry will not be business as usual. The time of playing church will be over. Those who are prepared will be ready. Those who are not ready will go into captivity by the judgment of iniquity. The unprepared will have the rock fall on them because since they did not judge themselves, repent, or heed the message of preparation. This period of judgment regarding iniquity will be doing the first three and a half years of the tribulation. Re 13:10 - He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints. Re 13:7 -And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. During the period of atonement, the Body of Christ will undergo a cooperate judgment of purification. Some will submit to the judgment and some will not submit to the judgment. Then those who would not submit to the judgment of purification will under the judgment of iniquity along with the gentile nations in the tribulations. What do you think if you have read this post?
 

Jake99

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Certainly the churches must be judged because the False Prophets have deceived and led mankind astray with worthless interpretations of what Jesus was trying to convey. Not even one preacher has taught what Jesus was trying to teach which is why the world must get the truth and the way from the Messiah. Gods ways are not mans ways in fact they are the opposite which means that the Messiah will be rejected, abused and tried again in an effort to silence him. There will be not churches or bibles in the New World here on earth for those days will be forever gone from the planet. Choose wisely for all mankind are travelling in the direction that God does not approve of. The sword that kills the soldiers who do the work of the moneychangers and salesman will come from the mouth of the Messiah.
 

RichardBurger

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If you believe John 3:16-18 you know that the childern of God are not condemned. Their sins have all been paid for on the cross. The only judgement they will receive is to determine their rewards for bring others to Christ.
 

manichunter

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If you believe John 3:16-18 you know that the childern of God are not condemned. Their sins have all been paid for on the cross. The only judgement they will receive is to determine their rewards for bring others to Christ.
good to go, some will be least and some will be great
 

Red_Letters88

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Certainly the churches must be judged because the False Prophets have deceived and led mankind astray with worthless interpretations of what Jesus was trying to convey. Not even one preacher has taught what Jesus was trying to teach which is why the world must get the truth and the way from the Messiah. Gods ways are not mans ways in fact they are the opposite which means that the Messiah will be rejected, abused and tried again in an effort to silence him. There will be not churches or bibles in the New World here on earth for those days will be forever gone from the planet. Choose wisely for all mankind are travelling in the direction that God does not approve of. The sword that kills the soldiers who do the work of the moneychangers and salesman will come from the mouth of the Messiah.
Sorry OP for branching off the topic....but Jake, why are you so obsessed that Jesus' "real" message was against the moneychangers, salesmen, and politicians. As far as im concerned with those topics : a. the moneychangers where those obsessed with money- making it their god b. salesmen were treated that way by Jesus- because they made the house of the Lord a garage sale and c. Wasnt it Jesus who said "give unto Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is Gods. You treat everyone like they "missed" Jesus' lessons....maybe you need to reread his sermons. Put the love of God above all things- no matter what it is thats holding you back- its somewhat irrevevant to this teaching. Put the Lord God first in all things- THATS what His real "unhidden" teachings were.
 

Jake99

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Sorry OP for branching off the topic....but Jake, why are you so obsessed that Jesus' "real" message was against the moneychangers, salesmen, and politicians. As far as im concerned with those topics : a. the moneychangers where those obsessed with money- making it their god b. salesmen were treated that way by Jesus- because they made the house of the Lord a garage sale and c. Wasnt it Jesus who said "give unto Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is Gods. You treat everyone like they "missed" Jesus' lessons....maybe you need to reread his sermons. Put the love of God above all things- no matter what it is thats holding you back- its somewhat irrevevant to this teaching. Put the Lord God first in all things- THATS what His real "unhidden" teachings were.
Moneychangers were using different monetary sytems to pay for the same products. And salesman were charging different prices for the same products. It creates chaos and is the least efficient operating system which always leads to waste and destruction. Jesus said money was heavy, dirty and corruptable which is why it needs to be standardized and electronic. The world has perfected the system that Jesus stood against and the result is bad news every day and environmental destruction just like Jesus said it would. Jesus overturned the tables of the moneychangers and salesman because he knew they had to be thrown out of the temple of God which is the universe and never to return. I consider salesman to be the worst kind of liars, cheaters and thieves and I want to automate that function by standardizing prices. Salesman are a destructive waste of manpower and materials and often times the most dishonest people on the planet. Yes ALL of mankind missed the message that Jesus taught. If you give to God that which is his then he gets everything at which point Caesar can have the rest. Jesus taught of the New World and the preachers teach the opinions of people from the old world. All of the people who wrote the bible said the same things in different ways and the world has travelled further in the wrong direction unable to determine what the truth and the way Jesus spoke of even is. I know the way and I have fulfilled at least 300 prophecies, 50 or so of which happened as a result of being arrested and put on trial twice in an effort to silence me. http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b5/James...rrent=scan3.jpg
 

pastorlesofm

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II Corinthians 12:20 KJV; For I (Paul) fear, lest,when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as I would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings,whisperings, swellings, tumults.Galatians 4:11 KJV; I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.I Thessalonians 3:10 KJV; Night and day praying exceedingly that we might see your face and might perfect that which was lacking in your faith.Here obviously, Paul is speaking to the church of his day, but we cannot neglect that he might as well be speaking to the church today. Today's church has become in most part "The Madison Avenue" type church. Using the same tactics of the big Madison Avenue advertising firms. The mindset of who will build the biggest church that will be able to hold all of God's Kingdom. Let's not deny that Paul would have the same fears of today's church as he had of the early churches he spoke to. Sadly the same activities and goings on.On the christian TV stations we see over and over again these obvious actions. Do not get me wrong there are many good messages of which I have no doubt are through the Guidance of the Holy Spirit. At the same time many are like sound bites or as they say on cable news many times, "Tease", if you want to hear "The Rest of The Story" a famous quote of Paul Harvey, send $50 or $1,000 or more. They run the same Tease over and over again, sometimes three or four times a week out of five days. This is done so many times with new believers and non-believers looking on. Can this be the Bride of Christ? Sadly many local churches look also at this as a guidepost for their church, instead of looking to the Bridegroom for direction. Pray for self judgement of the local churches in your area and the Body of Christ as a whole to get busy with His business and He will get busy with ours. Amen?