Can a Christian have a demon?

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Lady Crosstalk

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Seems like we come from similar backgrounds.
We too were around when Derek Prince was ministering. ( loved his series on The Blood Covenant)

My husband and myself in the 70's-80's were in the deliverance ministry.
Like you , we have looked them in the eye, and heard them argue that would not come out. We have cast them out. One poor bound ( christian) man it took our team three days..(demons don't sleep) to help him. We had a team of six of us and traded off three and three, demons don't get tired either.

I have many sad stories of how they wrecked the lives of Christians.
Two of them were ministers. One we took into our home blah blah.
The other one was a missionary. He came to us and pleaded for us to help him. At that time our girls were only aged 10 and 11 so we couldn't take him into our home.
His story was that he was saved out of being into evolution and witchcraft . After being saved he went to the mission field..was there 20 years. He used to come home for breaks to England and became our friend.
Long story short, the CLC ( Christian Literature Crusade) asked him to write a book against evolution..and one against witchcraft, how he came out of it.
So he moved back to England. As the months of his research into and writing he told us he could feel the darkness almost suffocating him, we prayed for him against the darkness. He wanted to quit writing about it, but the CLC wanted him to continue and said christians needed the book.

End of story, they took him , he called us whispering, not his voice... we got our church to pray and fast while we went to battle against the spirits.
Even his face had changed.
I don't want to scare people, I wont tell all what they were doing to him.
Except that whenever he fell off to sleep they would pinch and prod hum awake.
We lost him..he believed what they whispered in his ears..they described how they would kill him... he could get a hold of God, he believed the lies being told him. We tried to cast them out obviously, but he could not believe that he, we, and God were the majority. ( it's almost impossible to cast spirits out of christians who are not fighting with you) He'd lost all his confidence and fight.

That one was the saddest cases.. .he was a very dear friend.
I could ramble on, but this is enough ...
So my answer to the topic is... Y E S they can , and not just one.

I've never seen it personally, but I have talked to missionaries who have seen it in the mission field. We need to be VERY protective of our children because I'm told that the demons target Christian families in particular--especially those who are doing ministry. It is extremely important for anyone who does deliverance ministry to have a prayer team dedicated to praying just for those doing the ministry and their families.
 
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We use to use the laying on of hands in our home groups, or at meetings, and during counselling sessions with the pastor and elders. It was a normal part of church ministry - also it was used in the way you have mentioned. This was in our local Baptist church, but I had seen it used in the Methodist church to. It wasn't used as much in the evangelical church, mainly used when a new minister or elder was appointed.
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Anyone read the book by CS Lewis called "The Screwtape Letters "
My dad gave me a copy of the book about a week after I because a Christian.
Not the wisest of things to do for a young christian, it scared the life out of me!!

I stopped reading it. Then about two years later I read it.
Very cleverly written.

Here is a Pdf but no idea why they used this old fashioned font. Makes it hard to read unless you magnify the page by clicking command key and Plus + key to magnify it.

http://www.samizdat.qc.ca/arts/lit/PDFs/ScrewtapeLetters_CSL.pdf

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Hi Helen. No offense in the actual term and I concur wholeheartedly with your post. My suspicions arose in the 70s with lots of charlatans claiming to have such a'ministry" . And promoted themselves. I remember in one particular church where such a minister had "demon possessed' folk lined up on stage in chairs each with a bucket into which they "coughed" their demons into.
So yeah, I had, and do have my suspicions but that is not to say there were people who were anointed as Hisman and yourself noted.
There used to be many "sons of Sceva" in those days when I used to be in the Pentecostal church. But the demons themselves would play along giving an impression O of validity... Similar to some fake J healing ministries today where the devil "heals" the very ailment he caused.

Aah! Now I follow you..I too remember all the buckets and towels , coughing and falling on the floor...seen it all. And walked out of many. It makes a mockery. Same as the "Toronto Blessing " season...shaking, jerking, flopping on the floor...same people coming back every week...UNCHANGED , just an exhibition. But, even in Jesus day there were fakes Jesus's , there will always be the fakes of everything that Jesus does to discredit the real.
Sadly with some people, they throw out the baby with the bathwater. :)
 
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Aah! Now I follow you..I too remember all the buckets and towels , coughing and falling on the floor...seen it all. And walked out of many. It makes a mockery. Same as the "Toronto Blessing " season...shaking, jerking, flopping on the floor...same people coming back every week...UNCHANGED , just an exhibition. But, even in Jesus day there were fakes Jesus's , there will always be the fakes of everything that Jesus does to discredit the real.
Sadly with some people, they throw out the baby with the bathwater. :)
I remember the Toronto blessing - so that was fake !!?
I remember everyone wanting the same experience - and expecting it to. So if the original was fake, does that mean that everyone who claimed to ' experience ' something was delusional or decieved- could that have been rooted in satanic deception ?
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We use to use the laying on of hands in our home groups, or at meetings, and during counselling sessions with the pastor and elders. It was a normal part of church ministry - also it was used in the way you have mentioned. This was in our local Baptist church, but I had seen it used in the Methodist church to. It wasn't used as much in the evangelical church, mainly used when a new minister or elder was appointed.
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I can understand it if it simply means identification with a particular person for a particular reason.

(Since I don't see demons indwelling those whom the Holy Spirit indwells, I don't see the need for ceremonies for the eviction of demons from true believers in the Lord Jesus.)
 
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I can understand it if it simply means identification with a particular person for a particular reason.

(Since I don't see demons indwelling those whom the Holy Spirit indwells, I don't see the need for ceremonies for the eviction of demons from true believers in the Lord Jesus.)
Most of the time it was for ministry, for release for things - inner healing, not actually to release someone from a demon, but more, I guess, demonic / other influences.
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Most of the time it was for ministry, for release for things - inner healing, not actually to release someone from a demon, but more, I guess, demonic / other influences.
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In some ways as a practice it seems to link in with the transitional Apostolic era, when signs, etc., were more prevalent prior to the completion of Scripture; this is how I would look at it, really.
 
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In some ways as a practice it seems to link in with the transitional Apostolic era, when signs, etc., were more prevalent prior to the completion of Scripture; this is how I would look at it, really.
Not sure I agree - it's does say that ' in the last days' the Holy Spirit will ' act ' and work through people - for me the last days started at Pentecost. The spiritual battle has not been won, it's still going on- so why should the laying on of hands, ministry ect cease ?
One of the things I found in some congregations I was part of, there was a ' fear ' from many about the gifts of the Holy Spirit and ministry - people did not want it, so they rejected it. In many congregations they are not open to use what the Lord has provided in balance. They want the worship, the fellowship, the prayer- but are not interested in' hearing from God through his spirit ' words, visions, dreams,
The last congregation had all these things when I went ahead to look for a new church before I moved, two years later, when I moved back I noticed a change, I reminded as it was still open- within another two years those who feared that side of things made it near impossible for those who were open to the gifts to function. So much was lost- If Satan can stop people using the ministry of the Holy Spirit, then he can ' bind ' people to a Luke warm Christianity.
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I looked up what a Jezebel spirit is - absolutely stunned that ' someone ' would think that of me , taken and Helen. The worst ' demonic ' power in satans kingdom.
It' encourages marriages to break up, murder, lie, and play games '
Honestly - someone thinks I broke up my marriage, and lie and play games and came here with a motive.
Yes, you have deeply wounded me, Satan scored a home run and it impacted me- I am not as thick skinned as Helen and taken.
I realise to many that archangel was a random poster, but I do not believe that- and I am making that known. It was manipulative, and posted with intent.
So well done ' whoever you are '
I apologise if any reader thinks I am wrong to respond, I left distance between a proper response and this post, I needed to.........
I could have private messaged archangel, but the accusation was made publically.
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Aah! Now I follow you..I too remember all the buckets and towels , coughing and falling on the floor...seen it all. And walked out of many. It makes a mockery. Same as the "Toronto Blessing " season...shaking, jerking, flopping on the floor...same people coming back every week...UNCHANGED , just an exhibition. But, even in Jesus day there were fakes Jesus's , there will always be the fakes of everything that Jesus does to discredit the real.
Sadly with some people, they throw out the baby with the bathwater. :)


Once it becomes a movement....the devil gets involved. Besides God never does the same thing twice, or the same way. But the devil opens up a switch and bait shop because the people want something that resembles the work of God.
 
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I remember the Toronto blessing - so that was fake !!?
I remember everyone wanting the same experience - and expecting it to. So if the original was fake, does that mean that everyone who claimed to ' experience ' something was delusional or decieved- could that have been rooted in satanic deception ?
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I don't know that it could all be passed off as demonic deception. I know people who used to go regularly, when the movement first started, at the Toronto Airport Vineyard. As usual, what often starts off good, the devil takes and pushes it to some sinful extreme. The main problem, according to an analysis from a Christian friend, is that there was "no Biblical discipline".
 
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I was quite a young Christian then, but I had a friend who went along to a Pentecostal church that would talk about it- her congregation experienced many things, but it kind of scared me a bit because I did not know enough. People just falling around, in a very chaotic way , didn't really seem very edifying to me. I must admit I have an issue with ' laughing in the spirit ' they use to do that at the house group I attended, they wanted me to join in, but I couldn't- they made me feel uncomfortable and ' a less capable Christian ' !!!
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I was quite a young Christian then, but I had a friend who went along to a Pentecostal church that would talk about it- her congregation experienced many things, but it kind of scared me a bit because I did not know enough. People just falling around, in a very chaotic way , didn't really seem very edifying to me. I must admit I have an issue with ' laughing in the spirit ' they use to do that at the house group I attended, they wanted me to join in, but I couldn't- they made me feel uncomfortable and ' a less capable Christian ' !!!
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Doesn't sound like it was Scriptural or profitable.
 

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Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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Matthew 7:21 "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 "And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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I remember watching Benny hinn on TV a few years back - that opened my eyes to many things X
 
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True, and also note, not all who work the work of God is false. Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (they that believe will do the casting out by God).
Mark 16:18 "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover".

take up serpents here is not actual snakes. no, take up is to thing in a likeness, as with Moses and the bronz serpent in the wilderness. but in the likeness it is Jesus that who one believe.

just as with our Lord, scripture, Luke 11:17 "But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
Luke 11:18 "If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
Luke 11:19 "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
Luke 11:20 "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 11:21 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
Luke 11:22 "But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
Luke 11:23 "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
Luke 11:24 "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
Luke 11:25 "And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luke 11:26 "Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

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True, and also note, not all who work the work of God is false. Mark 16:17 "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; (that that believe will do the casting out by God).
Mark 16:18 "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover".

take up serpents here is not actual snakes. no, take up is to thing in a likeness, as with Moses and the bronz serpent in the wilderness. but in the likeness it is Jesus that who one believe.

just as with our Lord, scripture, Luke 11:17 "But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.
Luke 11:18 "If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
Luke 11:19 "And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges.
Luke 11:20 "But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
Luke 11:21 "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
Luke 11:22 "But when a stronger than he shall come upon him, and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and divideth his spoils.
Luke 11:23 "He that is not with me is against me: and he that gathereth not with me scattereth.
Luke 11:24 "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
Luke 11:25 "And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luke 11:26 "Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

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Jesus will tell many of these to depart, he never knew them.
 

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Matthew 25:31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Matthew 25:32 "And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Matthew 25:33 "And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

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I remember the Toronto blessing - so that was fake !!?
I remember everyone wanting the same experience - and expecting it to. So if the original was fake, does that mean that everyone who claimed to ' experience ' something was delusional or decieved- could that have been rooted in satanic deception ?
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Im 'on the run' here today, just just popped in and out...

No, I would never say it was "all fake"...but MANY were faking the manifestations. And some leadership did not control things in the Sprit.

I would say..it was a mixture of spirits .
Obviously the meeting sept across Canada...we were in some meetings.
You know me Rita, ha! and because we had " been there and done that" ( re what I posted in this thread) I went to the leadership who are a couple of decades younger than us.. (who BTW are still friends of ours, :) they have grown up a lot since then, the Toronto blessing was quite a long time ago now! Time flies ) and said to them...." You do know that such and such person was a demonic manifestation don't you , that was not the Lord..but the demon resisting the anointing."

So, what I mean is, whenever God is doing something it stirs up all kinds of spirits. They love attention and are more than willing to put on a show.

No, I never throw all of the baby out with the bathwater. :)
gotta run, Dave waiting...later x
 
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