Did I pose a question? I made a statement. I looked at post #9 and I did not see anything that applies to what I said.
When is 'Speaking in Tongues', true versus false.
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Did I pose a question? I made a statement. I looked at post #9 and I did not see anything that applies to what I said.
Helen
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Re OP , you know when you know, because you 'know His voice', and if you don't know, then you don't know because you are not tuned to His voice!!!
"My sheep know My voice and a stranger they will not follow."
"My sheep know My voice and a stranger they will not follow."
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quietthinker
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With respect 1stCL, if the miracle was in the hearing how could it be that the mockers thought it was gibberish?
1stCenturyLady
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The Jews present were "devout." They belonged to God and received the supernatural gift of interpretation of tongues. At this point in history, the gospel was only for the Jews, not to Gentiles until Acts 10. The mockers (God hates mockers anyway, Psalms 1:1, calling them ungodly and will perish) were probably Roman soldiers or Roman citizens.
Even today, not every 'Christian' is a believer, but more like mocking doubting Thomases, without faith, even calling tongues, 'gibberish'. Oh they may have faith in the written word, itself, but not in doing it, or that it is anything more than a 1st century history book; nothing that actually enriches their lives supernaturally. The Bible, "Sola Scriptura" becomes an idol and not understood. Some denominations are like the walking dead and Jesus in His letters to the seven churches of Revelation 2 and 3 tells some of them that if they don't repent, He will take their candlestick away; or leave them in Great Tribulation, like Thyatira, the RCC and Orthodox; saying to another "you have a reputation for being alive, but you are dead." That last one was the Protestant Reformation, 'Sardis.' Today, the Philadelphia church age are full gospel, "they have kept My Word," believing every part of our New Covenant is for them, and God blesses them richly. They do not twist scripture or become legalistically cessationist. They can literally hear God's voice, and do what He says. In fact, I don't pray for myself, unless God tells me what to pray, I say His words, and the prayer comes to pass immediately. John 15:7; 1 John 5:14-15; 1 John 3:21-23.
People get a buzz speaking in tongues. And they think this is the Holy Spirit. But these experiences are common with many religions, even voodoo, and are nothing like the Christian gift of tongues. That beyond the two outpourings, came only through an apostle's hands in the first century.
Speaking in Tongues: Glossalalia and Stress Reduction
Speaking in Tongues: Glossalalia and Stress Reduction
quietthinker
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I think you have missed the point my dear. Your statement was that the miracle was in the hearing. If the mockers received the miracle of hearing it would not have been gibberish and conversely, if they didn't receive the miracle of hearing they would have understood what was being said and therefore was not gibberish to them.
1stCenturyLady
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If the disciples were speaking in a language that ONLY God understands, how would the mockers understand it? Are they God? Can you see why that doesn't make sense, or you didn't understand my post.
Yes and we see where languages came from.....
Question: "What happened at the Tower of Babel?"
Answer: The Tower of Babel is described in Genesis 11:1-9. After the Flood, God commanded humanity to "increase in number and fill the earth" (Genesis 9:1). Humanity decided to do the exact opposite, “Then they said, ‘Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens, so that we may make a name for ourselves and not be scattered over the face of the whole earth’” (Genesis 11:4). Humanity decided to build a great city and all congregate there. They decided to build a gigantic tower as a symbol of their power, to make a name for themselves (Genesis 11:4). This tower is remembered as the Tower of Babel.
In response, God confused the languages of humanity so that they could no longer communicate with each other (Genesis 11:7). The result was that people congregated with other people who spoke the same language, and then went together and settled in other parts of the world (Genesis 11:8-9). God confused the languages at the Tower of Babel to enforce His command for humanity to spread throughout the entire world....What happened at the Tower of Babel?
quietthinker
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The message of the gospel is for men. It is spoken in mans language to man. In the case in point, the disciples where given the ability to speak in the language of other than their native tongue. The various visitors from different parts of the world heard them speaking the good news in their own tongue ie, language...it gives a list of the various languages.
You have stated previously however that the gift was in the hearing, ie, in the ear of the listener as opposed to the tongue of the speaker and that the visitors heard what was being said in their own language.
In your post above you have changed your position and are saying that the disciples were speaking in a language that only God understands. Why would God do that? Why would the witnesses (the disciples) share the good news, which is for men not for God, in a language that no one understands. There is no sense in that at all.
Was it was because the local mockers did not understand the tongues ie, languages (plural) being spoken, subsequently, not being able to speak or understand the language of the visitors that they thought it was gibberish
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1stCenturyLady
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1 Corinthians 14:2 tells us that your beliefs are wrong. "2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.
It wasn't the gospel they were speaking in tongues, but praises to God. You have learned the common false teaching on tongues that I've heard time and time again, and even believed myself in my youth. You must check what you are hearing from your teachers to see if they concur with all scripture. It is one reason I am no longer a denominationalist.
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quietthinker
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You need to check the account of the event you are commenting on. You'll find it in Acts 2. It tells us they were declaring the wonderful works of God. The context tells us it was the message of the death and resurrection of Jesus and the forgiveness of sins which they were sharing.
1stCenturyLady
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Then they would have been able to understand them naturally, which they didn't, otherwise the mockers would have been able to understand them too.
It wasn't until Peter preached to them in their own common language among Jews afterwards, that they heard the gospel. Acts 2:14-39
quietthinker
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This application of tongues is not for the public domain unless there is an interpreter but as i said in the previous post, check the account in Acts 2. I think it's self explanatory.
1stCenturyLady
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Wrong. There are two different manifestations of "speaking in tongues" with different applications. You can't apply the rule of one on to the other. I've answered this in #6.
Good day to ya mate!
I'm going to bed.
I'm new here and it's late. So I'll just make this general statement about my experience of speaking in tongues as a 16-year old.
I had become disillusioned with the Bible because of its perceived many errors and contradictions. Then God ambushed me at a camp meeting altar after a service and I was forced to speak in tongues at the top of my voice! Were it not for the electrifying power, love, and sweetness of that experience, I would no doubt now be an agnostic. Decades later, I regularly draw spiritual and emotional nourishment from the very memory of that glorious day! No experience in life can even remotely come close to such a self-authenticating encounter with the Holy Spirit! God was so powerfully present that I literally thought I might not survive my encounter with His glory and, at one point, it felt like my puny ego would vanish and be absorbed into the mind of God!
I had become disillusioned with the Bible because of its perceived many errors and contradictions. Then God ambushed me at a camp meeting altar after a service and I was forced to speak in tongues at the top of my voice! Were it not for the electrifying power, love, and sweetness of that experience, I would no doubt now be an agnostic. Decades later, I regularly draw spiritual and emotional nourishment from the very memory of that glorious day! No experience in life can even remotely come close to such a self-authenticating encounter with the Holy Spirit! God was so powerfully present that I literally thought I might not survive my encounter with His glory and, at one point, it felt like my puny ego would vanish and be absorbed into the mind of God!
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WELCOME to the Forum ...( By the way, be kind to my friend FHII he is a nice man. I saw you respond to him in another thread and hit at his advatar , not sure if it was light heart or not....but it had no smile after the comment.
We have over our fair share or rude , harsh, judgment people on here...we need some God Chaser pleasant 'lovers' of neighbours
)Amen to your experience with the Holy Spirit...many are ready and willing to tell us that our experiences are not of God...but that is like telling a person who walk is bright sunshine that it is indeed dark and raining
We are sad for their loss.
Bless you...see you around... Helen
WELCOME to the Forum ...( By the way, be kind to my friend FHII he is a nice man. I saw you respond to him in another thread and hit at his advatar , not sure if it was light heart or not....but it had no smile after the comment.
We have over our fair share or rude , harsh, judgment people on here...we need some God Chaser pleasant 'lovers' of neighbours
Amen to your experience with the Holy Spirit...many are ready and willing to tell us that our experiences are not of God...but that is like telling a person who walk is bright sunshine that it is indeed dark and raining
We are sad for their loss.
Bless you...see you around... Helen
Helen,
I'm a big Clint Eastwood fan and thought the use of Clint to satirize praise choruses was a scream. I'm just jealous that FH beat me to that avatar and am hurt that no one recognized it as from the epic western "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."
I'm a big Clint Eastwood fan and thought the use of Clint to satirize praise choruses was a scream. I'm just jealous that FH beat me to that avatar and am hurt that no one recognized it as from the epic western "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly."
101G
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There is a lot of responses, real good one, we might say, but maybe we can make it simple to understand this topic. when One do not understand the speaker, be it barred of an interpeter, and or without knowledge, then it's not of God.
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