What is the "Abomination of Desolation"?
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Are you sure he is SDA? I've had discussions with SDAs before and he is a bit off even for them.
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You are in for a rude awakening...just like Israel was when they missed the coming of Christ. They had all the information, and didn't have a clue either.
CoreIssue
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The Bible is quite clear what the AOD will be. A statue of the AC set up on the wing of the temple that Satan will appear to bring to life by entering it.
Per the sixth bowl its name will be the Dragon.
The will also be lesser AOD.
An AOD is anything that the defiles temple.
It will remain until the second coming. At which time when the tribes and priesthood are reestablished it will be removed and the Temple cleanse and rededicate.
I do not know what is religion is, but it sure is not Christianity.
CoreIssue
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I am not sure. Before he did espouse some SDA beliefs. But has also taken Calvinism positions.
Yes--it will be Ezekiel's Temple that Antichrist will desecrate. And as happened with the Antiochus IV Epiphanies desecration, the Temple was cleansed and rededicated. There was, at that time, a miracle of God providing the full eight days of oil for the Temple Menorah.
Jesus celebrated the "Feast of Dedication" (see John10:22) which commemorated that re-dedication. Today, it is called Hanukkah or the Festival of Lights.
quietthinker
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CoreIssue
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That is always an interesting issue. When will the Ezekiel Temple be built? The Bible does not say.
I will repost Ezekiel Temple. Just studying it raises questions, such as the River of life that flows out of it and its size.
I am not convinced the Temple will be rebuilt during the tribulation.
It may be or it might be completed at the second coming.
There are actually two locations where the prior Temple may have been. One is on the Temple Mount and one on closely adjoining land.
As for size, I found 1440 X 1440 m, which is 4724.409'. Which is .89511336152 miles.
So how do you think the Muslim will react?
CoreIssue
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Because the Bible didn't exists. Only the Old Testament.
quietthinker
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The Hebrew Tanakh (which was what Jesus would have been quoting) was not marked with its present-day books, and numbered chapters and verses until the 1500s A.D. Every Jewish young boy would have broad training in the Hebrew text and would have known to what Jesus was referring. Not so today, when even many Christian seminary students do not have much familiarity with the actual Biblical texts.
I should have qualified my remarks with, "The proper way to quote, for modern students of the Bible, is to cite book, chapter and verse..." Also, if you are going to include the actual text, it is proper to put quotation marks around it or italicize it.
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Jesus would have been quoting from the Tanakh (Torah--the first five books of our OT--the prophets, and the writings). He quite often quoted Deuteronomy. The markings of book, chapter and verse didn't happen until the 16th century A.D. His Jewish hearers would have much knowledge of the Hebrew Scriptures--especially the men. They were read and studied in the synagogues.
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The Temple Institute used to have a video virtual tour through the proposed new Temple. I think it was Ezekiel's Temple, if I remember correctly. They do not have it up now. Opinion is quite divided on where the new Temple should be located. Some say that the current Temple Mount is actually the site of the ancient Antonia Fortress of the Romans and that the Temple was actually located in the City of David directly below the Temple Mount. They say that there is no source of water on the current Temple Mount and that the City of David had direct access to the Gihon Spring--a plentiful water supply. A large water supply would have been needed to wash away the blood of the sacrifices--especially during the festivals. Others say that Israel should start with a simple Tabernacle in Shiloh--just the way it was in the Tanakh. The ultra-Orthodox say that the Temple cannot be rebuilt until God gives a sign that it is time to do so. The Israeli government is always casting nervous eyes over their shoulders at the likelihood of raising the wrath of the Palestinians with any Temple project. Round and round they go.
I don't think the Muslims will have much to say about it after God defeats them in the Ezekiel 38 war--when their confederation of Muslim states converge on Israel.
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THE a/c spoken of in 1 John and the image of said a/c in Rev. 13 are what the abomination of desolation is. The prophecy of Daniel concerning this topic and the timing of it was never fulfilled historically. While the spirit of antichrist is in the world, which basically is the general evil and the false teachings that have always been here, the "power" spoken of prophetically has not yet arrived on the scene.
Davy
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No it won't. Who told you that lie?
The temple of Ezekiel 40 through 47 is for after... Christ's future return.
The temple the coming Antichrist will make desolate with an idol will be the one today's... orthodox Jews plan to build, and already today have the materials ready for!
Davy
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The Holy Spirit through Peter revealed something about the last days many brethren miss concerning the temple in Jerusalem that Antichrist will make desolate...
1 Peter 4:17-19
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
KJV
Where did Peter get that idea about the "house of God" (i.e., Christ's Church) being judged first at our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming?
Read Ezekiel 8 & 9 and you'll understand about the future "abomination of desolation" the Antichrist will cause in Jerusalem.
1 Peter 4:17-19
17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
KJV
Where did Peter get that idea about the "house of God" (i.e., Christ's Church) being judged first at our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming?
Read Ezekiel 8 & 9 and you'll understand about the future "abomination of desolation" the Antichrist will cause in Jerusalem.
Davy
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No, it isn't the Ezekiel temple that Antichrist will make desolate. You have no... Scripture backup for that false idea at all. Where did you hear that, or did you come up with that idea on your own?
The Ezekiel temple events are given in Ezekiel 40 through 47. They are given right after the Gog and Magog armies out of the northern quarters try to come upon Israel to destroy, which is an event to occur on the final day of this present world, i.e., Armageddon. That is the 7th Vial of God's cup of wrath being poured out, and is when Jesus returns per Rev.16:15-17. Everything written after that Ezekiel 39 chapter is for after... Christ's return.
It should be crystal clear from Ezekiel's prophecy that when that Temple is built, the Antichrist will be in the Lake of Fire, and Israel will be redeemed and restored.
It is the third temple which is anticipated to be built in Jerusalem by Jews who do not accept Christ as their Messiah. That is the temple which will be desecrated by the Antichrist, since he will sit in that temple claiming that he is God while setting up the Abomination of Desolation. And since this temple will be an abomination to God, it will most certainly be destroyed and replaced with Ezekiel's Temple (under Christ).
Opinion is divided on that. Some Orthodox Jews insist that, if a Temple is built, it must be Ezekiel's Temple. Consequently, some Christians have taken to suggesting that Ezekiel's Temple will be the one to be desecrated and then cleansed and re-dedicated once the Antichrist is sent to the LoF. This would fit the type seen in the desecration performed by Antiochus IV Epiphanies--where the Temple was cleansed and re-dedicated afterward. (This cleansing and re-dedication event is commemorated at Hanukah.) Some other Christians, like yourself, believe that the Temple desecrated by Antichrist will be destroyed and a new one (Ezekiel's Temple) will be put in place. I guess we'll find out when it happens.
Davy
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Opinion is divided on that. Some Orthodox Jews insist that, if a Temple is built, it must be Ezekiel's Temple. Consequently, some Christians have taken to suggesting that Ezekiel's Temple will be the one to be desecrated and then cleansed and re-dedicated once the Antichrist is sent to the LoF. This would fit the type seen in the desecration performed by Antiochus IV Epiphanies--where the Temple was cleansed and re-dedicated afterward. (This cleansing and re-dedication event is commemorated at Hanukah.) Some other Christians, like yourself, believe that the Temple desecrated by Antichrist will be destroyed and a new one (Ezekiel's Temple) will be put in place. I guess we'll find out when it happens.
If you listen to confusion, you get confusion.
Just the Ezekiel 47 chapter alone... is enough proof this next temple the unbelieving Jews in today's Jerusalem will build will not be Ezekiel's temple. I'd like to see them create those waters of God's River that flow out from under the threshold of the temple that flows east and heals all the waters it touches!
It's easy to know that you... haven't even studied those Ezekiel 40-47 chapters about the Ezekiel temple.
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