Roman Catholicism

CoreIssue said:

How do you know they say is false?

Of course you want me to put it in my own words so you can call me names and tell me I'm wrong.

Hard to argue against one of your own though, isn't it?

Incredible how you challenge others to read your Catholic but here you reject material presented to you as acceptable.

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Posting videos does not add clarity, nor does it invite dialogue; the videos ask people to argue with talking heads - they are red herrings thrown out to cause division, which is ironic since this thread really has no topic.

Enoch111 said:

There may be clarity but without veracity it becomes a snare.

veracity
noun
ve·rac·i·ty | \ və-ˈra-sə-tē \
plural veracities
Definition of veracity

1: conformity with truth or fact : ACCURACY
2: devotion to the truth : TRUTHFULNESS
3: power of conveying or perceiving truth
4: something true makes lies sound like veracities

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I agree with you.....the CC teachings have clarity. I will stick with clarity instead of the lack of clarity and veracity of the 500 year teaching of Protestantism.

Since you seem to know that the CC does not have veracity who's teaching does?

Curious Mary

CoreIssue said:

Rather than obfuscating, start a Protestantism thread.

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This is a Protestant thread. Any thread that puts down the clear teachings of the CC and promotes the unclear teaching of Protestantism is by it's nature a Protestantism thread.

To obfuscate is to be unclear or confusing....That is Protestantism.

@Enoch111 and I agree that the CC is clear in it's teaching.....you should join us.

Marymog said:

Since you seem to know that the CC does not have veracity who's teaching does?

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It is not a question of "seeming to know". It is a fact with which you have not caught up. And it is the teachings of Christ (who is Truth) that have veracity. Not the doctrines of men within the CC. So just open your Bible and ignore all the claptrap.

Enoch111 said:

It is not a question of "seeming to know". It is a fact with which you have not caught up. And it is the teachings of Christ (who is Truth) that have veracity. Not the doctrines of men within the CC. So just open your Bible and ignore all the claptrap.

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Hmmmmm......You previously made it clear to another member of this forum that they are confused about Gods plan of salvation. We really CAN'T answer some of these

You have made it clear to me that the men of the CC who set forth doctrines/dogmas/beliefs for the members of The Church don't have any veracity in their teaching.

CLEARLY you have opened your bible, read it, properly interpreted it and figured out the Truth out since you KNOW that @Kermos is confused about Gods plan of salvation and at Marymog's is following an untrue teaching taught by men.

You have made it very clear that YOU know the Truth.....sooooo PLEASE write a Catechism for the rest of us ignorant people that are unable to properly interpret the teachings of Christ so that we will not be confused about Gods plan of salvation and we will have the correct beliefs.

Mary

PS....I have opened my bible and my interpretation is completely different then yours. Does that make you the claptrap that I am supposed to ignore?

Marymog said:

To obfuscate is to be unclear or confusing....That is Protestantism

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No, it is Babylonian. True Protestantism has come out of the confusion...what you and others rail against who are confused and unclear isn't Protestantism, it is they who claim to be non-Catholic but are still sitting on the fence with one foot in Catholicism still and the other dabbling in truth, but not willing to commit.

CoreIssue said:

BIBLE CANON - JewishEncyclopedia.com
The 24 Books of the Hebrew Bible • Torah.org

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_bar_Kokhba
The Jewish sage Rabbi Akiva indulged the possibility that Simon could be the Jewish messiah, and gave him the surname "Bar Kokhba" meaning "Son of the Star" in Aramaic, from the Star Prophecy verse from Numbers 24:17: "There shall come a star out of Jacob".[6] The name Bar Kokhba does not appear in the Talmud but in ecclesiastical sources.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi_Akiva#Biblical_canon
Akiva was instrumental in drawing up the canon of the Tanakh. He protested strongly against the canonicity of certain of the Apocrypha,[2] the Wisdom of Sirach, for instance,[33] in which passages קורא is to be explained according to Ḳid. 49a, and חיצונים according to its Aramaic equivalent ברייתא; so that Akiva's utterance reads, "He who reads aloud in the synagogue from books not belonging to the canon as if they were canonical," etc.

So, once again – your Protestant OT Canon is based on the POST-Christ, POST-Temple declarations of a FALSE Prophet who declared a FALSE Messiah and deleted 7 Books from the OPEN Canon.

The Catholic OT Canon is the SAME one that Jesus and the NT writers studied from, quoted and alluded to some 200 times on the pages of the New Testament.

Stranger said:

You do realize the faith of the Roman Church was known throughout the whole known world? And that is the origin of the Roman Church.

Stranger

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What it is now is not Christian, it is a cult of priests that opposes the word of God , makes up it's own doctrines and persecutes Christians that oppose it and CLAIMS it is the HEAD of Christendom.

CoreIssue said:

There is a difference between the biblical church at Rome and the Roman church.

The Roman church was founded one there was a meeting of bishops in the Empire that formulated the beginnings of Roman Catholicism and decided to put its headquarters in the capital Empire.

Constantine declared it the official religion of the Empire.
Later he moved the Roman capital to Constantinople. The city he built that was named after him.
He also split the empire in half, Rome the capital of the West and Constantinople the East.
The foundation of Roman
Catholicism and the Orthodox churches is political.
Then just look at revelation, the religion of the AC empire and mystery Babylon is Rome.

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Well, I've asked you this before and you ran - so let's see if you will answer it THIS time . . .

- Can you tell me WHICH year this "meeting" occurred?
- Can you point to the official document - because there were official documents for EVERYTHING in the Roman empire.
- What was the NAME of that document??

OR - are you simply LYING through your teeth as usual??

I eagerly await your historical response . . .

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Sooooooo, I see by your carpet-bombing of irrelevant videos - you were completely UNABLE to address the points I made about the OT Canon of Scripture that you Protestants adhere to vs. the Catholic OT Canon of Scripture that I laid out in post #195 and post #208.

In case you forgot - or you simply can't count - here is that information again for your edification . . .

Time for a HISTORY lesson . . .
This is how you Protestants arrived at your current Canon of the Old Testament.

The OPEN 1st century Jewish Canon included the 7 Deuterocanonical Books that you now reject.
These Books are:
Wisdom Sirach
Judith Tobit
Baruch I & II Maccabees
Portions or Daniel and Esther

This is the Canon of Scripture that Jesus and the NT writers studied from. We KNOW that they were part of the OPEN Jewish Canon of the 1st century because they are alluded to and quoted some 200 times in the New Testament. Some glaring examples are:
- Eph. 6:13-17 – The entire discussion of armor, helmet, breastplate, sword, shield follows Wis. 5:17-20.
- Heb 11:35 - Paul talks about the martyrdom of the mother and her sons described in 2 Macc. 7:1-42.
- Matt. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.

Sometime around the year 70 AD, Jerusalem was sacked by the Romans during a Jewish uprising and the Temple was destroyed. After this – Jewish Temple sacrifices came to a halt and rabbinical schools replaced the Pharisaical leadership.

Now, pay attention because here's where it gets ugly . . .

Around 30 AD, during the 2nd Jewish uprising, there was a Jewish Rabbinical school in Jamnia.
One of the main Rabbis – a man named Akiva, declared TWO things:

a. A man named Simon Bar Kokhba was the "real" messiah. He turned out to be a false messiah and Akiva was a false prophet.
b. The Deuterocanonical Books needed to be REMOVED from the OPEN Canon - and the canon closed.
The reason for this was that was because of the “Hellenistic” influence it had on the Diaspora (Dispersed Jews).

SO - you Protestants adhere to a POST-Christ, POST-Temple OT Canon that was determined by a FALSE Prophet who declared a FALSE Christ.

Here's the worst part: the ONLY reason your Protestant Fathers chose to do this was to further-divorce themselves from the Catholic Church – who had it RIGHT all along!

ANYBODY who wants to look this up and challenge me - PLEASE do so because @CoreIssue has failed . . .

CoreIssue said:

There is a difference between the biblical church at Rome and the Roman church.

The Roman church was founded one there was a meeting of bishops in the Empire that formulated the beginnings of Roman Catholicism and decided to put its headquarters in the capital Empire.

Constantine declared it the official religion of the Empire.

Later he moved the Roman capital to Constantinople. The city he built that was named after him.

He also split the empire in half, Rome the capital of the West and Constantinople the East.

The foundation of Roman
Catholicism and the Orthodox churches is political.

Then just look at revelation, the religion of the AC empire and mystery Babylon is Rome.

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I agree with you. Why is it that so many Christians don't know this?

CoreIssue said:

Do a study of Roman paganism and there is no mistaking the relationship.

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It is hard to not see, imo.