What Was Israel Ordained For?

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CoreIssue

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Jesus says it.
“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world [gentiles] for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.” (Matthew 24:14)

Yes, it is a sign of the coming rapture, tribulation period, second coming and MK.
 

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The church is fulfilling Israel's calling. The broken of unbelievers are not. If the Church looks like Israel, it probably is.
This does not take into account of what the church is, as per Ephesians, for example: a heavenly people preaching the Gospel in all the world.
 
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This does not take into account of what the church is, as per Ephesians, for example: a heavenly people preaching the Gospel in all the world.
They preach the gospel to the whole world fulfilling the promise God made to Abraham. Namely, that the gentiles would be blessed in him. We are doing this and have been for centuries, even millennia.
 
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They preach the gospel to the whole world fulfilling the promise God made to Abraham. Namely, that the gentiles would be blessed in him. We are doing this and have been for centuries, even millennia.
But Israel in the Old Testament is not like the church in Acts, after Pentecost, as regards the scope and nature of activity.
 
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But Israel in the Old Testament is not like the church in Acts, after Pentecost, as regards the scope and nature of activity.
It's the same church with people saved the same way. The difference is in the OT it was a State Church made up of believers and unbelievers. In the NT it is believers only with the State and unbelievers removed. And believing gentiles taking up the space the unbelievers once occupied.
 

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It's the same church with people saved the same way. The difference is in the OT it was a State Church made up of believers and unbelievers. In the NT it is believers only with the State and unbelievers removed. And believing gentiles taking up the space the unbelievers once occupied.
In a word, no. The simplicity of Acts 2.41-41 is far removed from the Old Testament system.
 

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I was actually thinking of ch. 39, at the end of the chapter.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;
26 After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid.
27 When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28 Then shall they know that I am the Lord their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29 Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord God.

In that it says, "left none of them any more there", to me this is only fulfilled when ALL Israelites are returned to the Land.

Mark you and many others are persistent in supporting a wrong understanding that Ez.39:28 is speaking about "land" and that until all of Israel is gathered back into the Land of Canaan can this prophecy be fulfilled. That flawed understanding has driven many nations' foreign policies concerning the Middle East, and influential "christian" of the powers of the respective states have worked very hard against God's prophetic word to force God's Glory to come as soon as is humanly possibly, i.e. now rather than in the distant future at the end of the next Age. Genesis.15:16 speaks of some of Abraham's descendants doing just that in 1948 with the help of those mentioned in Daniel.11:34 who joined themselves to Israel with flatteries to satisfy their own desires, but it was necessary for the descendants to force the sign of the budding of the fig tree so that those with understanding would understand when God would start the process of Israel's gathering to Himself and their redemption.

The Hebrew root H:0127 has the meaning of soil/fields where crops are grown and the Hebrew word, ’aḏ·mā·ṯām certainly speaks of fields/soil rather than a "land", in keeping with the flawed "land" understanding imposed upon the Abrahamic Covenant.

The Parable of the Sower, for me speaks of the passing of four 1,000 year periods of time from when God placed His name on a building on the earth for the first time up and until the final time of Judgement. We are presently in the third time period of this parable where the seeds have been scattered among the thorns of the field such that we all tend to be more concerned with the cares, i.e. "land", of the world rather than focusing on God and His Righteous. Yes, some seed, away from the influence of the thorns, will form heads and yield much increase such that the River of Life, Ez.47:1-12 will be thigh deep at the beginning of the next age during which the summer harvest season will yield a great harvest.

If God is the God of the whole earth, then to gather His Saints to Himself does not mean that they have to be located in the Land of Canaan, for this to happen. What needs to happen is for Israel to turn once more to worship God in Holiness and righteousness wherever they may be found living by God. Ez.34:13 certainly when interpreted correctly does not support the assertion that you made in the portion of your post quoted above.

Reading our present English translations literally does not reveal the hidden meaning in plain sight such as you claim that you do. If the redeeming of all of God's Saints means that they should be living in the Land of Canaan, then why you are you still living where you live? Why have you not gone to the Land of Israel? If it is not necessary for you to go the land of Canaan to be in a righteous relationship with God, then why is it necessary for Israel to do so?

As Daniel.11.35 tells us: -

Daniel. 11:35: - 35 And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.​

Do we both have understanding such that we can help to purify them, refine them, and make them white until the time of the end?

Do we both have the right words of encouragement for the present day Israelites to turn from their wicked ways and to return to God?

Do we both truly understand how God intends to Gather Israel to Himself? Jesus, in Luke 14:28-24 tells us that He will be the reason for their redemption and for regathering Israel when they see His deeds in our near future.

2,000 or so years ago the Israelites believed that they understood what was necessary for their salvation. Are we both any better than they were back them?

Shalom
 

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The system is gone but the church remains the body of Christ both then and now.
I think that the reason why dippys etc are looking forward to what they think or claim is the 2ed coming, is that they are not born again.
Satan (the one who leads the whole world astray) is their worldly maser that's who is coming soon, as they are working towards this hellfire and all this idolising of Anti-Christ fools that they do :eek:, they are just so blinded or wilfully doing Satan's bidding.

They think that it's a worldly Kingdom that's void of the Holy Spirit above all. so they are doing the works of man and I am sorry to say that the Kingdome does not come that way at all.
One has to abide in the Holy Spirit first and foremost and then Gods will only be done, not the other way around with blind ignorance and blind wilful idolatry of what they think or try to play out all the time, with total crap like for example, Oh X is Gods people ? the people who reject Jesus Christ ? :rolleyes:o_O:confused: how stupid ! the power of blind faith :eek:.

Oh they are looking for Jesus to come back, in the flesh mind :oops: o_O:rolleyes: if only they had the Holy Spirit they could see that Jesus Christ is here, I will be with you always he said in fact ! they are rejecting Jesus word, because they do not know him.
 
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He's talking about the end of the world.
Absolutely not. In the context of Matthew 24 "the end" is the Second Coming of Christ. Which is far removed from the end of the world. Indeed the Second Coming is for the establishing of the Kingdom of God on earth. There are many events and much time between this and "the end of the age" (or the end of the world) which is just before the New Heavens and the New Earth are established.