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It's the opposite world of the rcc. :rolleyes:
Protestants do not hate the word of God, we hate when the rcc twists the meaning of scriptures in order to try to back up the phony made up dogmas & traditions of the rcc which are antithetical to the biblical church.
 
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Formatting, huh??
When people start whining about the way another is formatting their posts - it usually means they have run OUT of useful things to say . . .
No, it just means that I am tired of getting yelled at and insulted in large type and color. It is obnoxious.

As for the Bishop's miter - it doesn't matter to me if you "buy it" or not. That's that it is based on - the ancient Christian symbol the "Ichthys" and that's a documented fact. I know you're not big on those . . .
I'm well aware of what the Ichthys IS--I just don't think the Bishop's miter looks like it. It looks much more like the head covering of the pagan priests of Dagon. OF COURSE the RCC muckety-mucks would SAY that, wouldn't they?


Now - let's move onto your woefully-ignorant Biblical interpretations.
In Matt. 23:8-9, was Jesus telling us that we can’t call certain people "fathers" or “teachers” when they may actually be fathers or teachers? NOPE. He is telling us that no man is to be considered father above our Father in heaven and no person is to be considered teacher above our Teacher in heaven.
Except He didn't say that. He said we are all equal as brothers and sisters. (Matthew 23:8). He also told His disciples that they shouldn't "lord it over" those they taught, "like those in the nations do". (Matthew 20:24-28) Peter also said much the same thing in 1 Peter 5:3.

Jesus was speaking about the Scribes and Pharisees who exalted themselves before all: “They love places of honor at banquets, seats of honor in synagogues, greetings in marketplaces, and the salutation 'Rabbi.” (Matt 23:6-7)
Yes, but He was also speaking the same to His own disciples. You are mistaken.

Consider the following passages:
Jesus said, “Your FATHER Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).
St. Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).
St. Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).
That's because He was acknowledging his ancestry. They called Jesus "Son of David"--did that mean that David was literally His father? No, it meant that He was a descendant of David. Surely you know that?

For I became your FATHER in Christ Jesus through the gospel
" (1 Cor. 4:14–15).
"For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a TEACHER of the Gentiles in faith and truth" (1 Tim. 2:7).
"For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and TEACHER" (2 Tim. 1:11).
"God has appointed in the church first Apostles, second prophets, third TEACHERS" (1 Cor. 12:28).

This has been covered before. There is the position of teacher in the church, it just isn't exclusive and exalted the way that the RCC wants it to be.




As for 1 Thess. 5:12 - it says "OVER YOU" in the Lord when it talks about the clergy.
The Greek word used here is προΐστημι (proistamenous), and it is defined as:

Strong'
s Greek Concordance
Morphology: VPPMAM-P Strong's: 4291 Transliterated: proistamenous Root: προΐστημι
1) to set or place before
1a) to set over
1b) to be over, to superintend, preside over
See my answer above.

Finally - I am once again amused by yet another anti-Catholic who finds it "rude" when they are put in their place and schooled by a Catholic. Shamed, yes - but it's not "rude" . . .
No, your manner is condescendingly rude, arrogant, and insulting. You constantly belittle people, calling anyone who dares to disagree with you "moronic" and "ignorant". I have nothing to be "schooled" about from the likes of you. And I would NEVER be "shamed" by you--ever.
 
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You not only hate the Catholic Church - you hate the Word of God.

These last several attempts of yours twist the meaning of Paul's word are pathetic. In post #712 - I gave you no less than NINE (9) verses of Scripture that you refuse to accept as having used the word "Father" to refer to men ho DIDN'T actually sire the people they are talking about.

and weep . . .

“I was a FATHER to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know” (Job 29:16)

Elisha cried out, “My FATHER, my FATHER!” to Elijah as he was carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12)

Elisha himself is called a FATHER by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).

Jesus said, “Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” (John 8:56).

Stephen refers to "our FATHER Abraham," (Acts 7:2).

Paul speaks of "our FATHER Isaac” (Romans 9:10).

Paul wrote to Timothy, “You then, MY SON, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 2:1).

Paul again talks about his being a FATHER to Timothy - “But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a FATHER he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22).

Paul wrote, “I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose FATHER I have become in my imprisonment” (Philem. 10).

No, you are wrong. I do not hate the Roman Church, or the Catholic Church. As I have said, I hate those who seek to enslave the believers that are in the Roman Church. The papacy, the pope, the priesthood, was created to do just that.

I answered your Scripture references already.

Why do you ignore my question? When were you born-again? Why do you place such emphasis on (1 Cor. 4:15) when you ignore the Gospel that Paul preached?

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No, you are wrong. I do not hate the Roman Church, or the Catholic Church. As I have said, I hate those who seek to enslave the believers that are in the Roman Church. The papacy, the pope, the priesthood, was created to do just that.
I answered your Scripture references already.
Why do you ignore my question? When were you born-again? Why do you place such emphasis on (1 Cor. 4:15) when you ignore the Gospel that Paul preached?

Stranger
Thank God that forums like this record everything for posterity because I just caught you in yet another LIE.

I haven't "ignored" your question. I answered it back in post #661, when I said:
As to your question - you've asked me this before - and I've answered you.
I was born again at Baptism, with Water and Spirit - just like Jesus prescribed (John 3:5).


I have answered this MANY times before - but for some reason, you can't seem to get it through your head.

As to the NINE (9) verses I presented - you didn't address them. You stumbled over a couple of them and left it at that. I guess it was just to overwhelming for you . . .
 

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No, it just means that I am tired of getting yelled at and insulted in
large type and color. It is obnoxious.

I'm well aware of what the Ichthys IS--I just don't think the Bishop's miter looks like it. It looks much more like the head covering of the pagan priests of Dagon. OF COURSE the RCC muckety-mucks would SAY that, wouldn't they?

Except He didn't say that.
He said we are all equal as brothers and sisters. (Matthew 23:8). He also told His disciples that they shouldn't "lord it over" those they taught, "like those in the nations do". (Matthew 20:24-28) Peter also said much the same thing in 1 Peter 5:3.

Yes, but He was also speaking the same to His own disciples. You are mistaken.

That's because He was acknowledging his ancestry. They called Jesus "Son of David"--did that mean that David was literally His father? No, it meant that He was a descendant of David. Surely you know that?

This has been covered before. There is the position of teacher in the church, it just isn't exclusive and exalted the way that the RCC wants it to be.

See my answer above.

No, your manner is condescendingly rude, arrogant, and insulting. You constantly call people "moronic" and "ignorant". I have nothing to be "schooled" about from you. And I would NEVER be shamed by you--ever.

Again with the formatting . . .
If formatting is this offensive to you - I suggest you find some other place than a discussion forum to spend your spare time.

As for all Christians being "equal" - we are. HOWEVER- 1 Cor 12:27-31 lays out the fact that our roles within the Body are NOT. 1 Thess. 5:12 and 1 Tim. 5:17 are further examples of this Biblical truth. You should KNOW this if you claim to know the Word of God . . .

As to the verses that I presented to you that use the word "Father" - NOT all of them are speaking of "descendants" as YOU claim. Paul calls himself a "FATHER" to the Corinthians (1 Cor. 4:14–15). As I showed your fellow anti-Catholic @Stranger, who also ignored the verses I presented - here are some MORE examples:

“I was a FATHER to the poor, and I searched out the cause of him whom I did not know” (Job 29:16)

Elisha cried out, “My FATHER, my FATHER!” to Elijah as he was carried up to heaven in a whirlwind (2 Kgs. 2:12)

Elisha himself is called a FATHER by the king of Israel (2 Kgs. 6:21).

Paul wrote to Timothy, “You then, MY SON, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus” (2 Tim. 2:1).

Paul again talks about his being a FATHER to Timothy - “But Timothy’s worth you know, how as a son with a FATHER he has served with me in the gospel” (Phil. 2:22).

Paul wrote, “I appeal to you for my child, Onesimus, whose FATHER I have become in my imprisonment” (Philem. 10).


Tour last comment in RED is simply another dodge.

Finally - as to my being "arrogant and rude" - it's ONLY because you tried to bully a Catholic who won't sit there and take it like you're used to . . .
 

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It's the opposite world of the rcc.
Protestants do not hate the word of God, we hate when the rcc twists the meaning of scriptures in order to try to back up the phony made up dogmas & traditions of the rcc which are antithetical to the biblical church.
Another impotent post with ZERO substance.

Let me know when you're ready to provide some actual evidence for your claims.
And remember what I advised you about riding on the coat tails of others . . .
 

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Thank God that forums like this record everything for posterity because I just caught you in yet another LIE.

I haven't "ignored" your question. I answered it back in post #661, when I said:

As to your question - you've asked me this before - and I've answered you.
I was born again at Baptism, with Water and Spirit - just like Jesus prescribed (John 3:5).


I have answered this MANY times before - but for some reason, you can't seem to get it through your head.

As to the NINE (9) verses I presented - you didn't address them. You stumbled over a couple of them and left it at that. I guess it was just to overwhelming for you . . .
If you were born again there is a personal testimony of the moment we believed, there is evidence of the spiritual rebirth through the Holy Spirit, there is fruit of the Spirit of God.
There is always evidence of salvation when it has taken place. We are made a new person in Christ Jesus.
As scriptures state, being born again by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit happens when we Hear the word preached, Repent of our sins , Believe & Are Baptized! It is new birth from above by the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the evidence IS the change in heart & we receive the Holy Spirit. Those who were recorded as being baptized in the Bible heard the gospel preached and BELIEVED.
Acts 8: 38: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost…
But you at your christening , when the Priest sprinkled water on you as a little baby you that was IT??? that was Salvation??
All we see from you is an aggressive , disrespectful uncaring attitude where you interpret the scriptures subjectively through the rcc lense to promote the unbiblical roman catholic church dogma.
At your sprinkling as a baby, some rc priest merely did a Religious Ceremony that had nothing to do with hearing the gospel , Repenting of sins, or Believing with faith in Jesus as the Son of God whose died for your sins and that He rose from the dead & sits on high as the Righteous Judge, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings and shall return to fulfill what is written in Bible prophecy.
 

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Another impotent post with ZERO substance.

Let me know when you're ready to provide some actual evidence for your claims.
And remember what I advised you about riding on the coat tails of others . . .
I see I'm hitting my mark since you are trying to silence me-- won't work , I don't serve the same master as you.
Your posts are vulgar & pitiful as your wicked heart reveals every time. You not only need need salvation, but you need deliverance first.
Unlike yourself, I know the Holy Spirit, quite awhile ago by GOD's grace, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my sinfulness and through grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, I repented and believed with Faith & have been born again and the Holy Spirit is in me. I've been guided to understand the scriptures by God's grace as all humble children of God are lead.
You on the other hand, can only regurgitate error, with hatred, what the Roman catholic church has taught you.
 
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Another impotent post with ZERO substance.

Let me know when you're ready to provide some actual evidence for your claims.
And remember what I advised you about riding on the coat tails of others . . .
I can list the believers on this forum , like myself who agree in our biblical interpretation of scriptures, because by the Holy Spirit we are one in Truth under Christ Jesus. We agree with each other, we don't need to compete , because the real True church of Jesus according to the scriptures are one in Spirit and in Truth.
Often, in regards to responding to you with scriptures , I am guided in my soul that Matt 7:6 applies , so often I abstain from scripture quotes because you don't receive the scriptures with respect, it is like you tear them up, stomp on them or throw them in people's faces with deceived , pride- soaked hatred. This is why I often am guided not to throw my pearls ( the Holy scripture) to swine.
I value the Word of God as Holy, precious & literally God-breathed, full of God's Light & feel it should not be mangled by someone like yourself , who is not seeking the Truth but purposely pits himself against protestant believers to hurl abuse at them. You really epitomize what has been at the heart of the conflict between the RCChurch & the reformers.
 
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Acts 2:38 "Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. "
A baby is not capable to repent of their sins and turn to God, nor hear the gospel preached in the first place & believe with Faith trusting in Jesus as their Savior.
 
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If you were born again there is a personal testimony of the moment we believed, there is evidence of the spiritual rebirth through the Holy Spirit, there is fruit of the Spirit of God.
There is always evidence of salvation when it has taken place. We are made a new person in Christ Jesus.
As scriptures state, being born again by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit happens when we Hear the word preached, Repent of our sins , Believe & Are Baptized! It is new birth from above by the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the evidence IS the change in heart & we receive the Holy Spirit. Those who were recorded as being baptized in the Bible heard the gospel preached and BELIEVED.
Acts 8: 38: Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost…
But you at your christening , when the Priest sprinkled water on you as a little baby you that was IT??? that was Salvation??
All we see from you is an aggressive , disrespectful uncaring attitude where you interpret the scriptures subjectively through the rcc lense to promote the unbiblical roman catholic church dogma.
At your sprinkling as a baby, some rc priest merely did a Religious Ceremony that had nothing to do with hearing the gospel , Repenting of sins, or Believing with faith in Jesus as the Son of God whose died for your sins and that He rose from the dead & sits on high as the Righteous Judge, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings and shall return to fulfill what is written in Bible prophecy.
First of all - I never had water "sprinkled" on e as a baby.

In fact - I've witnessed literally HUNDREDS of Catholic baptisms and have NEVER seen one done by "sprinkling". They are usually done the way the were done in the ancient Church - by pouring or immersion. Mine was done by pouring.

The process is NEVER described in ALL of Scripture. It IS, however, described in the 1st century Early Church document, The Didache (Teachings of the Twelve Apostles):
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

On this thread, I have repeatedly presented quote after quote from the Early Church UNANIMOUSLY testifying to the fact that Infant Baptism was a practice that was handed down to them by the Apostles themselves. All you anti-Catholics have is your angry opinions and silence from Scripture. The Scriptures are silent about a number of things that we practice as Christians - and that YOU practice as Protestants.

NONE of you, for example, can shoe me where the Bible teaches Sola Scriptura or Sola Fide - yet your entire splintered family of aberrant theological systems are based on these 2 pillars. invented in the 16th century.

I was born again at Baptism - just like Jesus prescribed in John 3:5 - and just like the Early Church taught UNANIMOUSLY . . .


Irenaeus
"He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: INFANTS, and children, and youths, and old men.
(Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

Hippolytus
"Baptize first the CHILDREN, and if they can speak for themselves let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them" (The APOSTOLIC Tradition 21:16 [A.D. 215]).

Origen
In the Church, baptism is given for the remission of sins, and, according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to INFANTS. If there were nothing in infants which required the remission of sins and nothing in them pertinent to forgiveness, the grace of baptism would seem superfluous" (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 [A.D. 248]).
"The Church received from the APOSTLES the tradition of giving baptism even to infants.
" (Commentaries on Romans 5:9 [A.D. 248]).

Gregory of Nazianz

"Do you have an INFANT child? Allow sin no opportunity; rather, let the INFANT be sanctified from childhood." (Oration on Holy Baptism 40:7 [A.D. 388]).

John Chrysostom
For this reason we baptize even INFANTS, though they are not defiled by [personal] sins, so that there may be given to them holiness, righteousness, adoption, inheritance, brotherhood with Christ, and that they may be his [Christ’s] members" (Baptismal Catecheses in Augustine, Against Julian 1:6:21 [A.D. 388]).

Augustine
"The custom of Mother Church in baptizing INFANTS is certainly not to be scorned, nor is it to be regarded in any way as superfluous, nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except APOSTOLIC" (The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).
 

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I can list the believers on this forum , like myself who agree in our biblical interpretation of scriptures, because by the Holy Spirit we are one in Truth under Christ Jesus. We agree with each other, we don't need to compete , because the real True church of Jesus according to the scriptures are one in Spirit and in Truth.
Often, in regards to responding to you with scriptures , I am guided in my soul that Matt 7:6 applies , so often I abstain from scripture quotes because you don't receive the scriptures with respect, it is like you tear them up, stomp on them or throw them in people's faces with deceived , pride- soaked hatred. This is why I often am guided not to throw my pearls ( the Holy scripture) to swine.
I value the Word of God as Holy, precious & literally God-breathed, full of God's Light & feel it should not be mangled by someone like yourself , who is not seeking the Truth but purposely pits himself against protestant believers to hurl abuse at them. You really epitomize what has been at the heart of the conflict between the RCChurch & the reformers.
Soooooo, you are EQUAL to GOD??
Only GOD can know what is in a person's heart. You can't possibly know. To say that you can is to blaspheme God.

The ONLY reason you "believe" like some of the others here is because you have a common enemy - the Catholic Church.

I GUARANTEE you that every one of you has different doctrinal beliefs. YOU won't admit that here because your common enemy is ME. I read all of the other threads here and the SAME people who team up to argue against me and the other Catholics here are usually fighting with each other. that is the very nature of Protestantism - CONSTANT, perpetual splintering.

Like I've said on numerous occasions -= at least THEY are willing to present a case.
YOUR posts are usually impotent little "hit-and-run" posts that contain an accusation with NO substance . . .
 

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I see I'm hitting my mark since you are trying to silence me-- won't work , I don't serve the same master as you.
Your posts are vulgar & pitiful as your wicked heart reveals every time. You not only need need salvation, but you need deliverance first.
Unlike yourself, I know the Holy Spirit, quite awhile ago by GOD's grace, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my sinfulness and through grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, I repented and believed with Faith & have been born again and the Holy Spirit is in me. I've been guided to understand the scriptures by God's grace as all humble children of God are lead.
You on the other hand, can only regurgitate error, with hatred, what the Roman catholic church has taught you.
Can you tell me then - if ALL Protestants who have been "truly" born again and guided by the Holy Spirit - WHY are there tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim that they were "led" by the Holy Spirit??

Can you answer that?
If you can explain that - then we'll see if you're "hitting your mark" . . .
 

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No, you are wrong. I do not hate the Roman Church, or the Catholic Church. As I have said, I hate those who seek to enslave the believers that are in the Roman Church. The papacy, the pope, the priesthood, was created to do just that.

I answered your Scripture references already.

Why do you ignore my question? When were you born-again? Why do you place such emphasis on (1 Cor. 4:15) when you ignore the Gospel that Paul preached?

Stranger
A few years ago we had a lady speaker visit our church; she had been a pop star in the sixties and of Jewish birth. Her ministry was to talk to people about her conversion to Christ. I had the pleasant privilege of sitting with her at the buffer meal beforehand and was told that the only churches she wouldn't speak in were the RC ones which she described as a cult. I told her that God had laid it on my heart to pray for the RC church and she asked me to pray that the people would see that they were misguided and being deceived. I still pray that prayer and for other things too as God shows me what to pray.
 
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Can you tell me then - if ALL Protestants who have been "truly" born again and guided by the Holy Spirit - WHY are there tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim that they were "led" by the Holy Spirit??
Can you answer that?
If you can explain that - then we'll see if you're "hitting your mark" . . .
I never said "all" protestants are born again. I gave a testimony of my own and I gave a reply to your insult towards me, but you can't seem to follow the conversation & stay on topic and try to make a bogus digression which has already been answered previously. As for who is saved or born again-- those who are in Christ's spiritual church are the ones who are born again, it is not a physical church, nor does it represent only protestant or rc it , there will be true believers whose hearts have been changed & who have been born of the Holy Spirit. Not all who are belonging to any physical church are saved, it is not a physical thing, like Jesus said , to Nicodemus recorded in scripture , "Ye must be born again." Christ's church, His bride will be across many different congregations, of all races and nations. The LORD God, Christ Jesus, & the Holy Spirit know who belong to Christ's own church which is "the church" in scripture.
Here let's review
Your insulting post to me:
BOL: "Another impotent post with ZERO substance. Let me know when you're ready to provide some actual evidence for your claims. And remember what I advised you about riding on the coat tails of others . . ."

My response here:

"I see I'm hitting my mark since you are trying to silence me-- won't work , I don't serve the same master as you.
Your posts are vulgar & pitiful as your wicked heart reveals every time. You not only need need salvation, but you need deliverance first.
Unlike yourself, I know the Holy Spirit, quite awhile ago by GOD's grace, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my sinfulness and through grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, I repented and believed with Faith & have been born again and the Holy Spirit is in me. I've been guided to understand the scriptures by God's grace as all humble children of God are lead.
You on the other hand, can only regurgitate error, with hatred, what the Roman catholic church has taught you."
 

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I never said "all" protestants are born again. I gave a testimony of my own and I gave a reply to your insult towards me, but you can't seem to follow the conversation & stay on topic and try to make a bogus digression which has already been answered previously. As for who is saved or born again-- those who are in Christ's spiritual church are the ones who are born again, it is not a physical church, nor does it represent only protestant or rc it , there will be true believers whose hearts have been changed & who have been born of the Holy Spirit. Not all who are belonging to any physical church are saved, it is not a physical thing, like Jesus said , to Nicodemus recorded in scripture , "Ye must be born again." Christ's church, His bride will be across many different congregations, of all races and nations. The LORD God, Christ Jesus, & the Holy Spirit know who belong to Christ's own church which is "the church" in scripture.
Here let's review
Your insulting post to me:
BOL: "Another impotent post with ZERO substance. Let me know when you're ready to provide some actual evidence for your claims. And remember what I advised you about riding on the coat tails of others . . ."

My response here:

"I see I'm hitting my mark since you are trying to silence me-- won't work , I don't serve the same master as you.
Your posts are vulgar & pitiful as your wicked heart reveals every time. You not only need need salvation, but you need deliverance first.
Unlike yourself, I know the Holy Spirit, quite awhile ago by GOD's grace, the Holy Spirit convicted me of my sinfulness and through grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, I repented and believed with Faith & have been born again and the Holy Spirit is in me. I've been guided to understand the scriptures by God's grace as all humble children of God are lead.
You on the other hand, can only regurgitate error, with hatred, what the Roman catholic church has taught you."
Ummmmmmm, I never said that "ALL" Protestants were born again.
I was talking about all Protestants "who have been truly born again".
BIG difference.

As for following the conversation and staying on topic - it is YOU that has strayed and hasn't been able to address even ONE point that I have made.

Finally - you NEVER answered my question. you never DO because you never CAN.
Here it is AGAIN - so at least give it a shot. I've even re-word it so you won't get confused like before . . .

If ALL of those who have been "truly" born again and guided by the Holy Spirit "agree", as you say - WHY are there tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim that they were "led" by the Holy Spirit??
 

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Soooooo, you are EQUAL to GOD??
Only GOD can know what is in a person's heart. You can't possibly know. To say that you can is to blaspheme God.

As you do constantly with the scripture, You ripped a part of my sentence apart and take it out of context, then Falsely accuse me of saying I'm equal to God? that is a Lie from You & you accuse me of blaspheming God - another False accusation. That's two false accusations by you in one line. As per usual you deceive and misrepresent non-RC's on this thread & you are dishonest and make false accusations.
I couldn't care any less then I already do, for what you think, or say.
Your comments are nothing more then waste and should be flushed or sanitized or both! They are a spiritual health hazard. :)

The ONLY reason you "believe" like some of the others here is because you have a common enemy - the Catholic Church.
What you believe is only a consequence for yourself , it doesn't represent reality or Truth or effect me in the slightest.
Your bigotry as a Roman Catholic blinds you to the reality and the truth of Protestantism. You stab like a blindman or someone drunk with hate towards Protestants on this forum. You don't seek to understand or know the truth, so you do not recognize it or Speak it.

I GUARANTEE you that every one of you has different doctrinal beliefs. YOU won't admit that here because your common enemy is ME. I read all of the other threads here and the SAME people who team up to argue against me and the other Catholics here are usually fighting with each other. that is the very nature of Protestantism - CONSTANT, perpetual splintering.
You can guarantee nothing because you have no clue --as you are too pridefully enjoying reveling in your bigotry towards Protestants to know any different.

Like I've said on numerous occasions -= at least THEY are willing to present a case.
YOUR posts are usually impotent little "hit-and-run" posts that contain an accusation with NO substance . . .
My post are not hit and run. I call a spade a spade.
I confront you on your pathetic hate-filled poorly informed posts that are empty of spiritual truth because you only regurgitate RC mishandling of scriptures.
Your post show that you are a bully and a narcissist and the RCC can keep you ---as far as my human side goes!!
But , by the Holy Spirit, I pray that the heavenly Father God would have mercy on you , only HE can convict you, & open your eyes , as you are SICK- spiritually and in need of a great physician and the only one who could remove the deadly disease that is in your soul --is Christ the Lord.
 
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A few years ago we had a lady speaker visit our church; she had been a pop star in the sixties and of Jewish birth. Her ministry was to talk to people about her conversion to Christ. I had the pleasant privilege of sitting with her at the buffer meal beforehand and was told that the only churches she wouldn't speak in were the RC ones which she described as a cult. I told her that God had laid it on my heart to pray for the RC church and she asked me to pray that the people would see that they were misguided and being deceived. I still pray that prayer and for other things too as God shows me what to pray.
Rubbish.

I've heard speakers within the Catholic Church we were former - you name it:
Satanists, cult members, Atheists, Protestants, Jews, drug addicts, sex addicts, homosexuals, etc.

Rosalind Moss, who is a convert from Judaism via Evangelical Protestantism is now a Catholic nun (Mother Miriam) and has a daily show on Immaculate Heart radio.

Once again, your fiction may sell with your fellow anti-Catholics - but it has no basis in truth . . .
 

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Ummmmmmm, I never said that "ALL" Protestants were born again.
I was talking about all Protestants "who have been truly born again".
BIG difference.

As for following the conversation and staying on topic - it is YOU that has strayed and hasn't been able to address even ONE point that I have made.

Finally - you NEVER answered my question. you never DO because you never CAN.
Here it is AGAIN - so at least give it a shot. I've even re-word it so you won't get confused like before . . .

If ALL of those who have been "truly" born again and guided by the Holy Spirit "agree", as you say - WHY are there tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects that ALL teach different doctrines yet ALL claim that they were "led" by the Holy Spirit??
You are such a waste of time to respond to because you are blind man, blinded by rcc , and filled with hate.
 
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As you do constantly with the scripture, You ripped a part of my sentence apart and take it out of context, then Falsely accuse me of saying I'm equal to God? that is a Lie from You & you accuse me of blaspheming God - another False accusation. That's two false accusations by you in one line. As per usual you deceive and misrepresent non-RC's on this thread & you are dishonest and make false accusations.
I couldn't care any less then I already do, for what you think, or say.
Your comments are nothing more then waste and should be flushed or sanitized or both! They are a spiritual health hazard.
What you believe is only a consequence for yourself , it doesn't represent reality or Truth or effect me in the slightest.
Your bigotry as a Roman Catholic blinds you to the reality and the truth of Protestantism. You stab like a blindman or someone drunk with hate towards Protestants on this forum. You don't seek to understand or know the truth, so you do not recognize it or Speak it.
You can guarantee nothing because you have no clue --as you are too pridefully enjoying reveling in your bigotry towards Protestants to know any different.
My post are not hit and run. I call a spade a spade.
I confront you on your pathetic hate-filled poorly informed posts that are empty of spiritual truth because you only regurgitate RC mishandling of scriptures.
Your post show that you are a bully and a narcissist and the RCC can keep you ---as far as my human side goes!!
But , by the Holy Spirit, I pray that the heavenly Father God would have mercy on you , only HE can convict you, & open your eyes , as you are SICK- spiritually and in need of a great physician and the only one who could remove the deadly disease that is in your soul --is Christ the Lord.
Hmmmmm. let's see . . .

You used the term the "truth of Protestantism". Can you explain what this means when there are literally tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering versions of Protestant "truth" - each interpreted by a different individual who each claimed that the Holy Spirit "led" them??

Secondly - I told you that I can guarantee that YOU and the other Protestants here have different belief systems based on the debates between all of you here. YOU stated that I can't guarantee "anything".
REALLY?? Just pick ANY thread here and read it. You will have at least 3 or more Protestants arguing over some doctrine.

Finally - as to your asinine claim that your posts are NOT empty hit-and-run posts.
Can you point me to ONE single post where you actually answered a question of mine or produced any evidence for one of your wooden-headed accusations??
NOPE - and that's why they are empty hit-and-run posts . . .