Romans 8

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Anthony D'Arienzo

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That was White's show and he chose not to face the others.

I posted plenty of other videos by other people that take Calvinism apart. But you refuse to watch them.
Kevin Thompson is quite foolish...I can go through his videos answering them without any problem. I also answered several of his followers.
 
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Preacher4Truth

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That was White's show and he chose not to face the others.

I posted plenty of other videos by other people that take Calvinism apart. But you refuse to watch them.
You've yet to post a video that does the above.

One huge difference between your provided videos and your lame stance is at least they try to use Scripture and try to bring an argument. On the other hand you bring fake links, lies about Scripture in saying things that aren't in there, and some other lies, false accusations, and some name calling. In other words you bring nothing bro.
 

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Kevin Thompson is quite foolish...I can go through his videos answering them without any problem. I also answered several of his followers.

A personal attack without proof.


Instead of saying you can go through the videos and answer, go through the videos and answer.

Of course your answer will be doctrinal, not biblical.
 

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Challenge Accepted.


Part 1


Romans 8:1 -- There is no condemnation for those who walk after Christ. If a person walks after Christ, it is the result of the Spirit, not of the person themselve


John 3:5-7

John 1:12-13

Genesis 6:5

Genesis 8:21

John 8:44

Ephesians 2:1-2


Romans 8:2 -- The Law of the Spirit of Life has freed, further expounding the point above. The law was to you sin and death, until the Spirit worked in your life. Notice how it does not say the “Law of My Correct Choice.”


Acts 5:31

Acts 11:18

Acts 13:48

Ephesians 2:8-9

Philippians 1:29


Romans 8:3 -- The reason is given here why the law of God is ineffective; the weakness of the flesh. This same weakness prevents man from doing anything morally good without the operation of the Spirit; this includes the mythical “free-will choice”


Job 14:4

Jeremiah 13:23

Matthew 7:16-18

Matthew 12:33

John 6:44

John 6:65


Romans 8:4 -- When the Spirit changes changes the heart of men, they do not walk after the flesh, and begin walking after the Spirit. Again, men in and of themselves cannot bring about this change [see Romans 8:3 verse list]


Romans 8:5 -- Those who are after the flesh cannot pull themselves out of the flesh. It is impossible, because they are drawn to the things of the flesh, and “savor” them. When the Spirit changes the heart of a person, then they walk after the things of the Spirit which changed them.


Philippians 1:29

2 Timothy 2:25-26

Acts 18:27

Part 2


Romans 8:6 -- The wisdom of the flesh brings nothing but death; this again puts to rest the mythological “Free-will choice”. The flesh produces nothing but death, and cannot please God.


Ephesians 2:1-3

Colossians 2:13

Mark 7:21-23

John 3:19

Romans 8:7-8

1 Corinthians 2:14


Romans 8:7 -- Again we see that there is no salvation in the power of the flesh. The flesh is worthless when it comes to moral transactions. It is against God, and cannot be for Him without the Spirit. There is no amount of “Free will choice” that could save a man, because it is not neutral; it is in enmity against Him.


John 8:44

Ephesians 2:1-2

1 John 3:10

1 John 5:19

John 8:34

Romans 6:20


Romans 8:8 -- Without the Spirit, you cannot please God. The “free-will choice”; that fantasy that we in and of ourselves can please and accept God, is yet again decimated; They cannot please God. Does it please God when a sinner comes to Him? Then they cannot do it in and of themselves


Titus 3:3

Job 15:14-16

Psalm 130:3

Psalm 143:2

Proverbs 20:9

Part 3


Romans 8:9 -- If the Spirit of God has not changed a man, he cannot claim any of the good things that follow. Yet again we see that this fictional “free-will choice” would do a man no good even if it did exist. If men, of the flesh, try in and of themselves to please God, they will fail.


1 Corinthians 2:14

1 Corinthians 4:7

2 Corinthians 3:5

John 6:44


Romans 8:10 -- Again this passage stresses that of the Spirit comes life. Notice how it does not say that “Of the free-will choice” comes life.


Isaiah 55:11

John 3:27

John 17:2

Romans 9:16

1 Corinthians 3:6-7


Romans 8:11 -- The Spirit will not only quicken our bodies, but as stated previously it will quicken our souls to Him.


Matthew 11:25-27

Luke 10:21

Matthew 13:10-11

Matthew 13:16

1 Corinthians 2:14


Romans 8:12 -- Again we see that this passage celebrates liberation from the flesh, rather than ability through it.


Proverbs 20:9

Ecclesiastes 7:20

Ecclesiastes 7:29

Isaiah 64:6

Part 4


Romans 8:13 -- Again, the flesh is condemned. If you trust in the ability of the flesh, you shall die. But, if you trust in the ability of the Spirit, it shall give you life.


Ephesians 1:17-18

John 10:3-6

John 10:16

John 10:26-29


Romans 8:14 -- If you are lead by the Spirit, you know that you are a Son of God. But, if you are lead by the flesh, or lead by and trust in this “free-will choice”, you know that you are not. The flesh breeds nothing but corruption.


[See verses mentioned beforehand]


Romans 8:15 -- Through the Spirit, not through “free will choice”, we cry ‘Abba, Father’.


Romans 9:23-24

1 Corinthians 1:1-2

1 Corinthians 1:9

1 Corinthians 1:23-31


Romans 8:16 -- The Spirit of of God, who changed our hearts and minds, is the same Spirit which will then convince the children of God of their heritage.


Ephesians 4:4

2 Timothy 1:9

Hebrews 9:15

Jude 1

1 Peter 1:15

Part 5


Romans 8:17-19 -- The entirety of creation will also be restored with the elect.


Romans 8:20 -- The creature is subject to its own will, and the evil within it. The will is and never was [save Adam in the garden] free; it is in bondage to Sin and to Satan. Yet another reason why this fictional “free will choice” cannot exist; because free will does not exist.


John 8:44

Ephesians 2:1-2

2 Timothy 2:25-26

1 John 3:10

1 John 5:19

John 8:34

Romans 6:20


Romans 8:21 -- We do not need to trust in out “free will”, we need to be freed from our sinful will. Yet again Romans 8 shows that the flesh profits nothing, which is includes the will


Romans 3:9-12

James 3:2

James 3:8

1 John 1:8

1 John 1:10


Romans 8:22 -- The flesh brings sin and pain, not salvation and life.


1 Corinthians 2:14

Ephesians 4:17-19

Ephesians 5:8

Titus 1:15


Romans 8:23 -- Even the elect groan about the sins and weakness of the flesh. Those who are in the Spirit truly see the weakness and inability of the flesh; they do not puff it up as the author and finisher of their salvation, but see it as Paul did here; weak and worthy of despise.


Jeremiah 17:9

Mark 7:21-23

John 3:19

1 Corinthians 2:14

Part 6


Romans 8:24-25 -- We do not put our trust in ourselves, or anything we do, or any “free-will coice”; our hope is in the Spirit and His power, and in Christ Jesus who we cannot see, we will patiently wait for and trust in Him.


John 1:12-13

John 3:3-8

Titus 3:5

1 Peter 1:3

1 Peter 1:23

1 John 5:4


Romans 8:26 -- Even our best prayers are not enough. Even the best attempts of our flesh and “free will” is enough; only intercession by Christ through the Spirit can please God.


Isaiah 55:11

John 3:27

John 17:2

Romans 9:16

1 Corinthians 3:6-7

1 Corinthians 4:7


Romans 8:27 -- The Spirit changes hearts, and only the Spirit can discern it. The Spirit makes request for the Saints; it is the Spirit that intercedes for sinner, not the sinners that intercede for themselves.


1 Corinthians 1:1-2

1 Corinthians 1:9

1 Corinthians 1:23-31

Galatians 1:15-16


Romans 8:28 -- All things are planned before the foundation of the world to work for the ultimate good of them that are the elect of God.


Romans 5:8-10

1 Corinthians 1:7-9

1 Corinthians 10:13

2 Corinthians 4:14

2 Corinthians 4:17

Part 7


Romans 8:29-30 -- If God foreknew everyone, then He predestined everyone, and justified everyone, and everyone would be glorified. God only foreknows the elect, and them he calls, justifies, and glorifies. God is the one who predestined the elect to be saved, and be called the sons of God. Salvation is of Him from beginning to end.


Mark 13:20

1 Thessalonians 1:4

2 Thessalonians 2:13

Ephesians 1:4

2 Timothy 1:9


Romans 8:31 -- God is not on everyone’s side; He is against the sinful and unsaved. This is why our “free will choice” means nothing. God is against sinners as much as sinners are against God.


Romans 8:32-39 -- The rest of these passages explain the power of the blood of Christ, and that nothing can separate the elect [which is the ‘us’; not all mankind.] from God.


I have gone through every verse in the chapter of Romans, and found none of what you were trying to make it say.

@CoreIssue are you going to go through each verse and their support verses and explain why they do not mean what I believe they mean. And please, provide Scripture, not conjecture.
 
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Anthony D'Arienzo

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A personal attack without proof.


Instead of saying you can go through the videos and answer, go through the videos and answer.

Of course your answer will be doctrinal, not biblical.
I have suffered through 3 or 4 of his videos.
I started to answer him right on YouTube. He gets it all wrong, I would answer him but you still have not answered post 488, so I doubt you would even care.
If you get 5 people who are interested I will burn down his straw man for you
 

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@CoreIssue
Still waiting for you to deal with the verses and support verses. You said that Calvinists never deal with Romans 8, and so I went through verse-by-verse and dealt with the entire chapter, and supplied support verses as well. If you cannot respond, please just tell me so I am not waiting any longer. I would love it if you did respond, and tell me the actual meanings of all the support verses that are saying the same things I claim.

After all, you did start this thread, did you not?
 

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@CoreIssue
Still waiting for you to deal with the verses and support verses. You said that Calvinists never deal with Romans 8, and so I went through verse-by-verse and dealt with the entire chapter, and supplied support verses as well. If you cannot respond, please just tell me so I am not waiting any longer. I would love it if you did respond, and tell me the actual meanings of all the support verses that are saying the same things I claim.

After all, you did start this thread, did you not?

No you didn't. All you did was preach Calvinism.
 

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The point I am making is that draw in both John 6:44 and John 12:32 are both the same and have the exact same meaning. Those who are drawn, come. So, if the Christ is drawing literally everybody w/o exception, then everybody ends up being save, IOW universalism.
John 6.37 is relevant also: "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
 
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Mjh29

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It does mean that...Men are TRUTH SUPPRESSORS.
We see him giving evidence of that.

This thread seems to be ample proof of that, yes. I do find it somewhat ironic that when I completed the challenge issued, how quickly this thread seemed to die.
 
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