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gadar perets

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Because the only feast day remaining an unfulfilled shadow is the feast of tabernacles, a feast now impossible to observe by Jews as they have no temple to visit as was compulsory in the original Torah, and impossible for a Gentile to observe for the same reason including the additional idea that it is quite meaningless for anyone other than Jews because we have no memory or history of the wandering in the wilderness.
This is totally untrue. Every feast has an ongoing or future fulfillment. Unleavened Bread is ongoing as we are to get rid of leaven daily. Pentecost has been partially fulfilled via the former rain leading to the fulfillment of one of the two wave loaves offered on that day. The latter rain is yet to come on a future Pentecost fulfilling the second wave loaf. The Day of Trumpets has not been fulfilled at all. The Day of Atonement has a future fulfillment in the anti-typical Jubilee trumpet being blown to signal the resurrection and freedom for the captives of death. Tabernacles has not been fulfilled at all as you said. No shadow can cease until the reality has come. They all point to unfulfilled aspects of the plan of salvation.

The weekly Sabbath also had sacrificial requirements that needed to be carried out at the temple (Numbers 28:9-10). You cannot apply your no temple argument against the feasts and not against the Sabbath.

As for the feast of tabernacles being meaningless to Gentiles, I am a Gentile and it has tremendous meaning for me. Why? Because I know what it is all about whereas the majority of Gentile believers are ignorant of it because their church leaders are ignorant of it and don't teach about it. Of course it will be meaningless to the ignorant.

Christians today, though they are, for the most part unaware, are living in the antitypical day of atonement now.
I never heard of "the antitypical day of atonement". We are living in the reality of part of the shadow (the part about the two goats being fulfilled).

After the second coming a very real fulfilment of the feast of tabernacles will be able to be celebrated in glory.
Yes. That will be the reality. At this time, we are still living under the shadow and must therefore continue as such until the reality comes causing the shadow to cease.
 

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Oh give me a break!!!!!! View attachment 5856

So you must feel that your "mission for God is not to preach the Good News, but just point out where everyone else is wrong ...and you are right!!

Most people won't watch videos. They prefer people posting from their hearts themselves, not just dishing up another man's canned stuff.

Like God said about the Manna...if you keep it and don't gather and eat it...it will stink!

Luckily I cannot remember if we had an aunt or something in our family who was
 

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living in the antitypical day of atonement now.
Jesus' Last Passover of Yahweh from Suffering to Death to Burial to Resurrection was the Anti-typical Day of Atonement "THIS THAT SELFSAME BONE-ESSENTIAL-DAY" in the Eternal New Covenant of Grace once for all by the once for all and only ever Anti-typical "Sacrifice of Himself".
Mark "THIS THAT SELFSAME BONE-ESSENTIAL-DAY" for both the passover Exodus 12 Leviticus 23:11,21 AND the Day of Atonement cf. Leviticus 23:27,28,29, the latter having been the (lesser) equivalent of the former, Leviticus 23:43.
 

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we are still living under the shadow and must therefore continue as such until the reality comes causing the shadow to cease.

The shadow was OT Scripture, the shadow of Christ who is the shadow being fulfilled in Him, "Christ the Reality" : of the shadow! So what you say is Christ shall be caused to cease.

Quite logical... if you want to destroy the shadow you must destroy both the Body and the Light causing the Shadow which are One and the Same. But The Word of God defies logic. But for some defying logic means looking dumb.
 
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The shadow was OT Scripture, the shadow of Christ who is the shadow being fulfilled in Him, "Christ the Reality" : of the shadow! So what you say is Christ shall be caused to cease.
Christ is NOT the shadow. Therefore, when I wrote, "... causing the shadow to cease.", I meant exactly that; the shadow ceases, but the reality does not. We continue living under the reality. Please don't twist my words.

Quite logical... if you want to destroy the shadow you must destroy both the Body and the Light causing the Shadow which are One and the Same. But The Word of God defies logic. But for some defying logic means looking dumb.
I have no desire to destroy any shadow. It is Christians that destroy shadows before the reality comes. When the reality comes, the light will shine directly upon it so that it casts no shadow in the same way the Great Pyramid casts no shadow when the sun is directly overhead. The light source remains; the pyramid (body) remains, but the shadow is gone.
 

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It was the first one which Jesus fulfilled, John 1:14.
If it was fulfilled at that time, why did people continue to keep it? The fulfillment is actually in Revelation 21:3 which will occur during the Millennium. Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH will fulfill it.
 
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Jesus' Last Passover of Yahweh from Suffering to Death to Burial to Resurrection was the Anti-typical Day of Atonement "THIS THAT SELFSAME BONE-ESSENTIAL-DAY" in the Eternal New Covenant of Grace once for all by the once for all and only ever Anti-typical "Sacrifice of Himself".
Mark "THIS THAT SELFSAME BONE-ESSENTIAL-DAY" for both the passover Exodus 12 Leviticus 23:11,21 AND the Day of Atonement cf. Leviticus 23:27,28,29, the latter having been the (lesser) equivalent of the former, Leviticus 23:43.
That is a deliberate abuse of scripture... Passover and Yom Kippur were completely different feast days with different purposes and different results. The anti typical realities of those two shadows are also met by vastly different real time events, one of which is yet to be completed... The loosing of the scapegoat which is not Christ, but Satan.
 

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That is a deliberate abuse of scripture... Passover and Yom Kippur were completely different feast days with different purposes and different results. The anti typical realities of those two shadows are also met by vastly different real time events, one of which is yet to be completed... The loosing of the scapegoat which is not Christ, but Satan.
Yes, I'd agree to that.
It's a lack of understanding the sacrificial/sanctuary system combined with a faltering Eschatology and religious pride which results in abuse of scripture.
 
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The Epistle to the Hebrews sheds much light on these issues.
Absolutely it does indeed. Speaks a great deal of Christ's role as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary/temple. As High Priest Jesus is carrying out the antitypical role played by the Levitical high priests in the OT. Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement was the high point of Jewish tradition and their annual religious calendar: a day of deep contrition, humility, and self judgement which every Jew understood to be the type of God's true judgement upon humanity. Anyone not "afflicting their soul" in that day in true penitence and confession of sin, were thrown out of the camp.
The ritual itself, the choosing between the two goats and their ultimate fate and the purposes for each are a great lesson for us living in these last days during the time of this very judgement now taking place.
 

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Absolutely it does indeed. Speaks a great deal of Christ's role as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary/temple. As High Priest Jesus is carrying out the antitypical role played by the Levitical high priests in the OT. Yom Kippur, or the Day of Atonement was the high point of Jewish tradition and their annual religious calendar: a day of deep contrition, humility, and self judgement which every Jew understood to be the type of God's true judgement upon humanity. Anyone not "afflicting their soul" in that day in true penitence and confession of sin, were thrown out of the camp.
The ritual itself, the choosing between the two goats and their ultimate fate and the purposes for each are a great lesson for us living in these last days during the time of this very judgement now taking place.
We were thinking about Hebrews 13 last Lord's Day.
 

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Thanks for sharing what Others proclaim.
I was asking YOU for a Scripture that teaches
DEFENSE of the Gospel.

Glory to God,
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Philippians 1:7; Philippians 1:16 show Paul as set to defend the Gospel. The entire epistle of Galatians shows the necessity of defending the Gospel, and such is easily deduced from its pages. Contending for "the faith" Jude 1:3 is also concerning defense of Gospel truth.

There is not "a verse" that says we are commanded to defend the Gospel. Looking for "a verse" or requesting "a verse" to prove or disprove "this or that," or to use such an argument is a weak contention, and shows faulty and erroneous hermeneutical principles are in vogue.

Yet, such a notion to defend the Gospel is a given when deduced from the passages above, and from the many exhortations against false gospels and false doctrines given throughout Scripture.
 
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Philippians 1:7; Philippians 1:16 show Paul as set to defend the Gospel. The entire epistle of Galatians shows the necessity of defending the Gospel, and such is easily deduced from its pages. Contending for "the faith" Jude 1:3 is also concerning defense of Gospel truth.

There is not "a verse" that says we are commanded to defend the Gospel. Looking for "a verse" or requesting "a verse" to prove or disprove "this or that," or to use such an argument is a weak contention, and shows faulty and erroneous hermeneutical principles are in vogue.

Yet, such a notion to defend the Gospel is a given when deduced from the passages above, and from the many exhortations against false gospels and false doctrines given throughout Scripture.

My QUESTION was asking for a Scriptural reference.
It is not ABOUT PROOF, DEFENSE or JUSTIFICATION...
It was a QUESTION about a Comment.
IF their comment was in pursuant to a specific Scriptural Reference, I was interested in WHAT specific Scriptural Reference they were thinking of.

Personally;
I stand for what I believe.
I can disagree with what others believe.
I feel NO Requirement to DEFEND or JUSTIFY what I Believe.
If one is Interested IN WHY I believe what I do, I can Reference MY Source.
I do not feel Compelled to DEFEND or JUSTIFY my Source.

If that is not satisfactory to you, that's okay too.

If others believe the Lords word is TRUE.
If others believe the Lord is JUST.
Fine with me...
IF they do not believe those things....
That IS their option.
I do not have to DEFEND what I Trust to Believe.
I do not believe I have to DEFEND the Lords Word or PROVE His Word is TRUE.
I do not believe I have to JUSTIFY the Lords Word or PROVE He is JUST.

Every individual has the Freewill to Choose what THEY will Believe, and likewise they owe me no Defense for their Beliefs.

Glory to God,
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We were thinking about Hebrews 13 last Lord's Day.
I'm sorry, I must be a little dim. I don't see any relevance in Hebrews 13 to the Sabbath, except perhaps the verse which declares Jesus as being the same yesterday, today, and forever. As the giver of the law at Sinai and the one who died defending it, I would assume that you wouldn't want to be reminding me of that as some form of defense for any day other than that which He declared Himself Lord of.
 

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My QUESTION was asking for a Scriptural reference.
It is not ABOUT PROOF, DEFENSE or JUSTIFICATION...
It was a QUESTION about a Comment.
IF their comment was in pursuant to a specific Scriptural Reference, I was interested in WHAT specific Scriptural Reference they were thinking of.

Personally;
I stand for what I believe.
I can disagree with what others believe.
I feel NO Requirement to DEFEND or JUSTIFY what I Believe.
If one is Interested IN WHY I believe what I do, I can Reference MY Source.
I do not feel Compelled to DEFEND or JUSTIFY my Source.

1 Peter 3:15.

if that is not satisfactory to you, that's okay too.

Scripture, not person's, is the authority.
 

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1 Peter 3:15.



Scripture, not person's, is the authority.

Scripture and the Lord Himself are the authority, I choose as my Source.

A man can Choose the Scripture, the Lord Himself as their authority, or not.

Never said it was the person's authority.

1 Peter 3:15 is speaking of identifying ones source for what they claim, when ASKED to do so...

Which is exactly what I did.

Glory to God,
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Scripture and the Lord Himself are the authority, I choose as my Source.

A man can Choose the Scripture, the Lord Himself as their authority, or not.

Never said it was the person's authority.

1 Peter 3:15 is speaking of identifying ones source for what they claim, when ASKED to do so...

Which is exactly what I did.


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Well, reading your responses (note the plural sense of the word) shows that your religion has you really uptight, and self-centered, and the latter is most likely why you're uptight.

You speak often and highly of yourself, ability, and power to choose. It is apparent you're where you are, according to you, by your free will choice.

Well, you're not nearly as Biblical, or powerful, nor as spiritual as you claim in all your "choosing power."

If you've accomplished a thing spiritually, it has not one thing to do with you choosing, or determining by free will.

Give God the glory, you've accomplished none of this by choosing. If you have done anything, it is due to the LORD causing you to do so, not you choosing to do so; Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 12:13.

Now, I fully expect you to come back with a post to grant yourself the credit, and mitigate the above because you will not submit to Scripture as you've claimed previously to do. If not the case, humble yourself, and give God ALL the glory.
 

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My QUESTION was asking for a Scriptural reference.
It is not ABOUT PROOF, DEFENSE or JUSTIFICATION...
It was a QUESTION about a Comment.
IF their comment was in pursuant to a specific Scriptural Reference, I was interested in WHAT specific Scriptural Reference they were thinking of.

Personally;
I stand for what I believe.
I can disagree with what others believe.
I feel NO Requirement to DEFEND or JUSTIFY what I Believe.
If one is Interested IN WHY I believe what I do, I can Reference MY Source.
I do not feel Compelled to DEFEND or JUSTIFY my Source.

If that is not satisfactory to you, that's okay too.

If others believe the Lords word is TRUE.
If others believe the Lord is JUST.
Fine with me...
IF they do not believe those things....
That IS their option.
I do not have to DEFEND what I Trust to Believe.
I do not believe I have to DEFEND the Lords Word or PROVE His Word is TRUE.
I do not believe I have to JUSTIFY the Lords Word or PROVE He is JUST.

Every individual has the Freewill to Choose what THEY will Believe, and likewise they owe me no Defense for their Beliefs.


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The above post is totally disingenuous and full of pretense. You completely ignored the fact that defending the Gospel is easily deduced from Scripture, as I provided ample proof. To top that off you pretend that is not the issue being discussed at all. Show respect to others, others are not as "dumb" as you think they are, and your posts are readily dismantled.
 

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Well, reading your responses (note the plural sense of the word) shows that your religion has you really uptight, and self-centered, and the latter is most likely why you're uptight.

You speak often and highly of yourself, ability, and power to choose. It is apparent you're where you are, according to you, by your free will choice.

Well, you're not nearly as Biblical, or powerful, nor as spiritual as you claim in all your "choosing power."

If you've accomplished a thing spiritually, it has not one thing to do with you choosing, or determining by free will.

Give God the glory, you've accomplished none of this by choosing. If you have done anything, it is due to the LORD causing you to do so, not you choosing to do so; Philippians 2:13; Hebrews 12:13.

Now, I fully expect you to come back with a post to grant yourself the credit, and mitigate the above because you will not submit to Scripture as you've claimed previously to do. If not the case, humble yourself, and give God ALL the glory.

Thank you for noticing.

1 Thes 4
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your (my) election of God.

I hope you get around to your election of God, and having no shame to say so.

Thereafter, As I do give the Lord God credit, praise and glory for His Supernatural and Wonderful Gifts, perhaps so also will you.

Glory to God,
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