Will There Be "Women" In Heaven?

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Lets look at the rest of this text.1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.The dead rose while Jesus was here as well and that sounds like real bodies to me.Are you saying the change into this spirit body, that is still a body, just a spirit one? So we then have a soul and a spirit body? Is that correct? I guess I do have a problem calling it a spirit body as long as we recognize a body has flesh and bones just as Jesus himself specifically said He still had.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changedWhat part of All are you not understanding ???

that would be the part where "are changed" becomes not human. A human has a body and a soul, it is the way God originally created man. Jesus made it possible for us to be restored, not changed into something else, something not human. Jesus was still a Man after His Resurrection.Jesus was changed and said we can be changed just as He (the man Jesus) was changed. He still had a body, He said He still has FLESH AND BONES, specifically to dispel the notion that what they saw was a spirit. Did that body appear to be "changed"? Well yes indeed it did and He did things with that body which He did not do before His resurrection (not that He could not have -He just did not). So it does not follow that someone saying we will still have flesh and bones, does not also believe that that body is NOT changed. Of course it is changed. To be in God's presence requires no corruption, just as Adam and Eve could be with Him (with Flesh and Bones). It is that ability that is being restored. The restoration would include no corruption in either body or spirit. So in this understanding, the flesh and bones that cannot enter Heaven are the corrupted ones we have now, not the changed flesh and bones we can have at resurrection. Incorruptible does not have to mean no body. Changed means changed. Think one point of Jesus being resurrected with the body missing, is that His resurrected body is the same body He had before, only CHANGED and now incorruptible. Actually some would go further in saying that it is fitting that His Body with His being without sin, would not suffer the physical corruption (decay) of the grave that we all do. The body He had before death would be subject to the same physical corruption (deterioration) that all our bodies from birth have. Obviously an eternal body could not be subject to corruption or it would not be eternal. So that is "changed" indeed!So the question is not whether or not we are changed by resurrection, or whether or not I believe we will be changed, but how much. That is where we disagree.

Noooooooooo!!! You guys are so silly, There is neither male nor female in heaven. We will just be spirits. By the way Jesus only came in the form of a male, because by one man(Adam), sin entered the world, so by one man it had to be removed. Eve was deceived, she wasn't even around when God told Adam to not eat of the tree of life. As a matter of fact, Adam stood right next to her when she ate it. I wonder if he was just waiting to see if she dropped dead. :naughty:

So God was just pretending to be human after the Resurrection? How then do we know Jesus was a Man at all?

This is a very good topic and very difficult questions to answer.But if I may add what I think..I think that gender is part of who we are. And in the Bible, it tells us that God made "male and female" and that everything he made was very good. As for physical bodies, like Kriss said, we will have substance. This spiritual body that we will have, I believe, will be in the shape of the bodies we have now, but with a new nature. Human beings are physical creatures. This is how God made us. He made us with a physical aspect and with a spiritual aspect. When God created Adam, he was not alive until God breathed the breath of life in him. The dust from the ground made Adam's body and the breath of life from God himself formed his soul/spirit. We are body and soul/spirit. I hope to learn more in the Bible while I am on Christianity Board. I am only here to learn, not to debate. God bless

[quote name='Denver;57346]Probably not your intention' date=' but that turns into a backhanded remark. I caution you to remember that you're dealing with God, not man. He's not limited to any form and He'll always show you who He is in the end.[quote']Am not sure why Jesus would say"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." if it were not true that he still was a man with real flesh and bones. In fact to me He implies it is the same person/body ("myself") rather than a spirit manifestation/ghost. He also says nothing of eventually being free of or losing that same body.Am quite certain God can appear to us in any form He desires, it does not follow that the form He takes itself represents what God is or that it even represents a part of God. It would a form He presents us, as He did with Abraham. I think it is wrong to then conclude from Abraham's experience that God is a man with a white flowing beard and robe looking very middle Eastern. It would however represent a case of God temporarily taking or appearing in a physical form. IOW a manifestation of God. That is not true with Jesus.Jesus is God but also a Man, not God in the form of a Man. God did not temporarily take the "form" of a man but actually became the Man we call Jesus. As a real and true Man and our prime example, His end (the afterlife of the Man Jesus) would be the same possible end for us all. Am just pointing out that with the Incarnation, Jesus is a Man and is the same Man in the same flesh and bones after as before His death. Am not aware of anything about that appearance to suggest He became gender neutral after His death. Had there been such a difference I would think it would have been worthy of mention.

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Am not sure why Jesus would say"Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have." if it were not true that he still was a man with real flesh and bones. In fact to me He implies it is the same person/body ("myself") rather than a spirit manifestation/ghost. He also says nothing of eventually being free of or losing that same body.Am quite certain God can appear to us in any form He desires, ....
Christ entered the room where the disciples were by going through the wall. How many flesh and blood men have you seen do that?After death He arose in His Transfigured body, it still had substance, He could eat, be touched, etc. but He was not bound by our flesh limitations.

Am confused.He said he had flesh and bones. Did He lie?Or are you saying there is no flesh in Heaven except maybe the kind of flesh Jesus said He had, which was in some way different? (I agree the resurrected bodies will be different - but as Jesus said - it is still flesh and bones) To me saying there is no flesh in Heaven is different than saying our flesh will be different in Heaven.

*After Jesus rose again John 20:17 'Jesus said to her, 'Stop clinging to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father....'Sooo, it was the flesh and blood that rose up with Jesus, however He appeared in a different form to two of them, He suddenly appeared to the disciples, and then right after that Thomas touched His hands!? Mark 16:12 'He appeared in a different form to two of them, while they were walking on the road to Emmaus'But, in Luke 24:16 'Their eyes were prevented from recognizing Him.' but look at verse 31 'And their eyes were opened and they recognized Him; and He vanished from their sight.' verse 37-39 'But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. and He said to them, 'Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See My hands and My feet, that it is I myself; tough Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.' Let's read that last part again. 'for a spirit does NOT have flesh and bones.....'*We are made in the image of God. God is spirit. We are spirit. Spirits are neither male nor female. Jesus came to earth in a male body, Jesus had to be male because it was ADAM who had sinned, not EVE. (Eve was deceived, she wasn't even around when God told Adam not to eat of the tree of life) Sin was brought into the world by one manreferring to male not mankind and not satan, satan is a spirit as well.God also has many names and one of them means 'the many breasted one' Males are the providers, protectors, and head of household because, (usually, they don't make dessions based on emotions)Females are the giver of life (birth to babies), one who comforts, gentle, patient.....These things are all characteristics of God. The male and female flesh and blood bodies are for here on earth only. Our phyical bodies could not stand to be in the full presence of God. 'flesh adn blood will not enter into the kingdom of heaven.' Look at how people act when the presence of God moves in a service!? People are jumping, screeming, & flopping around on the floor. (EMOTION, EMOTION, EMOTION) God is NOT a God of confussion, and fear. He is a God of love, gentleness, giving revelation knowledge of who He is, who we are in Him and through Christ. Can you imagine how people in flesh and blood bodies would react if we were in the FULL COMPLETE PRESENCE OF GOD???

I would never argue that a spirit has flesh and bones, that was my point and Jesus was making that point. Clearly Jesus tells us spirits do not have flesh and bones, but He still does. Therefore He is not a spirit. He is telling them it is still me, A MAN, with FLESH and with BONES. TOUCH ME AND SEE!Jesus (after He had ascended to His Father from the Garden scene) appears to many. We know this Garden "no touch" scene occurs earlier because He forbids these women from touching Him, yet later invites people to touch. Or else we misunderstand His meaning there in the Garden and it was not really about touching Him at all (it was their attitude for example). Either way we take that, we know He can be touched and as He indicates Himself, a spirit or ghost could not be touched as He could. In this instance He specifically tells them to touch him and see for themselves. See that He is NOT a spirit or ghost. Why or how would that be possible? Touch and see that HE HAS FLESH AND BONES. There is no record anywhere of Him leaving those flesh and bones behind when He later ascends into the clouds. He has flesh and bones after resurrection and at the Ascension. Does His Resurrected Body exhibit qualities not demonstrated before His death? Absolutely! But that does not counter His own statement that He still has Flesh and Bones.

Wow, good job at expressing your thoughts. I agree with you completely at this point. Still a little confused at the thought of all those who seen Jesus with their phyical eyes, ascend into the clouds. Because I know flesh and blood do not enter into the kingdom of heaven. I guess we don't have to understand what happened to His phyical body. Hummm, Interresting.

To me we are just completing the story of mankind. In the beginning God made us, flesh and bone. He walked with us (Adam and Eve) while they had flesh and bone. So in the beginning there was nothing seppearting flesh and bone from God. With the Fall, sin created a barrier between man and God, our flesh and bones could no longer stand in God's presence. Adam and Eve, and by association us, could no longer walk with God after sinning. Clearly in later parts of the Bible God indicates our sinful flesh would be obilderated if it came into His presence. But that is not the way it always was.But consider that orignally it was not so, Adam and Eve "walked" with God. Their flesh and bones stood in His presence.Now enter Jesus, God becoming Man in order to redeem us, restore what Adam severed. Restore what was lost by Adam's sin. Restoring does not mean to alter into something new, but making possible a way to enter into a prior state or status. To me it makes sense that our flesh and bones could be restored by the Grace made possible by Jesus to a state where we could, like Adam and Eve originally did, stand flesh and bones in His presence.Now does that mean that our current flesh and bones can stand in His presence now? Of course not! As long as we walk this earth, we are sinful creatures and it is that which keeps us (99.999999...... percent anyway) from walking into God presence when we die.When Paul indicates this fact, he is not saying there will be no flesh and bones in Heaven but that in our current state, which he often refers to in terms of flesh or living in the flesh, cannot abide in God's presence. We have to be changed in order for that to be possible. So for me at least it is not a matter of losing this fleshly body, but regaining a glorified body (of flesh and bone) that just like Adam and Eve is able to be in God's presence.

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To me we are just completing the story of mankind. In the beginning God made us, flesh and bone. He walked with us (Adam and Eve) while they had flesh and bone. So in the beginning there was nothing seppearting flesh and bone from God. With the Fall, sin created a barrier between man and God, our flesh and bones could no longer stand in God's presence. Adam and Eve, and by association us, could no longer walk with God after sinning. Clearly in later parts of the Bible God indicates our sinful flesh would be obilderated if it came into His presence. But that is not the way it always was.But consider that orignally it was not so, Adam and Eve "walked" with God. Their flesh and bones stood in His presence.Now enter Jesus, God becoming Man in order to redeem us, restore what Adam severed. Restore what was lost by Adam's sin. Restoring does not mean to alter into something new, but making possible a way to enter into a prior state or status. To me it makes sense that our flesh and bones could be restored by the Grace made possible by Jesus to a state where we could, like Adam and Eve originally did, stand flesh and bones in His presence.Now does that mean that our current flesh and bones can stand in His presence now? Of course not! As long as we walk this earth, we are sinful creatures and it is that which keeps us (99.999999...... percent anyway) from walking into God presence when we die.When Paul indicates this fact, he is not saying there will be no flesh and bones in Heaven but that in our current state, which he often refers to in terms of flesh or living in the flesh, cannot abide in God's presence. We have to be changed in order for that to be possible. So for me at least it is not a matter of losing this fleshly body, but regaining a glorified body (of flesh and bone) that just like Adam and Eve is able to be in God's presence.
You seem to be applying a spiritual meaning to a physical event. Without any reason to do so. We must be careful in doing so lest we miss what we are being told. Your idea makes little sense the Entire message of Being baptised into Jesus Christ is to become a New Person (born again) in Christ. To repent of our sins when one repents of his sins at that moment you are about as good as you can get in the flesh. This is not a lasting condition. And never will be as long as we are in flesh bodies. Now you are taking the main message of being a Christian(belief and repentance) which we all know And is taught throughout scriptures And saying its the same thing as the mystery that was revealed in the later part 1 Cor 15 that we shall not all sleep (die) and are all changed into incorruptible BodiesBecause flesh and blood can not enter heaven, so we must be physically changed as scripture says. Mortal to immortal this is not a spiritual change. This was a mystery revealed, not the message of Christianity they are not the same thing. One is the spiritual change that takes place upon belief in ChristThe Other is a physical change that takes place when Christ returns. you are applying the same spiritual message to both in which case there would be no mystery revealed here. Heaven is where God is and Christ is coming here to rule as KING of Kings we must be changed physically This is the mystery we shall not all die a physical death but will be transfigured if you will. 1Cr 15:50 ¶ Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1Cr 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Cr 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Cr 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

I guess I see this a little differently, and maybe I'm way off...but we seem to be talking so literal here..When we are told to "die to flesh" does that mean that we actually have to die? No, it means that the bible is using the word "flesh" as a symbolic word for "the way of the world."Examples:This is what the LORD says: "Cursed is the one who trusts in man, who depends on flesh for his strength and whose heart turns away from the LORD.-Jeremiah 17:553Jesus said to them, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.-John 6:53Eat his flesh?! Or eat his "way"??Also, some relevant scripture to consider:http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...1&context=versehttp://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...1&context=versehttp://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_...context=contextIf any, check out that last one. It's an interesting piece to think about.I think it's hard to come to a conclusion on what we're not supposed to know until it's time. God made the Heavens and the Earth. He made the cosmos. He made physics. He made molecular bonding and he made appreciation for music. Everything we know, anything we can imagine, is limited inside the box of 'reality' that we are given to think...it is all we know. But I think God is a little deeper, a little better than what our minds can come up with. Is it important whether we are going to enter heaven with hair on our arms or not? I really don't care, as long as I get there, I know it's going to exceed my expectations. It may even be some new form of 'reality' that I could have never thought of, being inside this box.I also think when we use Jesus as an example, as in flesh entering heaven, or for anything really, we have to consider that Jesus Christ was EXTREMELY different than any human being. He conquored sin his whole life. This took a being who was God Himself to do. He truely "died to flesh" and was able to enter on his own accord. And now, through him, he gives us the opportunity to do exactly that also. Die to flesh. And this way, we do not enter heaven through flesh and blood, but by dieing to it, and living in God's spirit and grace.Just...MyTwoCents

I dont disagree with some of what you say 2 subjects are discussed but again like the previous post you are talking apples and oranges they can not be combined Last Part of 1 Cor 15 is about a physical action not a spritual one. You can not apply spritual context alone here the language simply does not lend itself to such. Same as the following verse's are a physical action 52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many."I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."1Cor. also says ALL will be changed ALL means ALL both saint and sinner All those left upon the earth that have not died a physical death will be changed at the last (7th trump)So applying a spirtual context alone does not pass the test.

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changedAre there not some scripture intended for the children of God? Not everyone is a child of God. Not everyone is a brother or sister in Christ. In context it seems, the word all may mean all of who he is talking to...brethren...us...children of God...not every person hiding in the caves.

There is marriage in heaven and a body.Matthew 22:1 ESV And again Jesus spoke to them in parables, saying,Matthew 22:2 ESV "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who gave a wedding feast for his son,Psalms 16:8 ESV I have set the LORD always before me; because he is at my right hand, I shall not be shaken.Psalms 16:9 ESV Therefore my heart is glad, and my whole being rejoices; my flesh also dwells secure.Psalms 16:10 ESV For you will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your holy one see corruption.Psalms 16:11 ESV You make known to me the path of life; in your presence there is fullness of joy; at your right hand are pleasures forevermore.

God is not the author of confusion The mystery is we shall not all die(sleep) Why is this? he goes on to say at the last trump that is the second coming all mortal bodies that is flesh shall be changed to Immortal bodies in the twinkling of an eyethis not a spiritual thing its a physical action. To fully understand this we have to know when we are talking about We must then understand why this is. Christ is going to be here on earth as our King and teacher ...flesh can not even look upon him. At this point in time we are entering the Millennial kingdom a time of teaching for 1000 years. Those who are deserving of a second chance get to be taught Gods truth. Those who are sealed with Gods seal the Elect of God that make it to the End are of the second resurrection. and will rule and reign with Christ. So what we are seeing here is that at the second coming God changes our flesh bodies to our spirit body..So we can enter into the Millenium age where he is our King of Kingsthe flesh age is over. Heaven is now on earth as heaven is where God is. And our flesh can not enter into it.

An added thought here the second resurrected (Elect) do not have to be tested again when Satan is losed again for yet a little while after the thousand years. Those who are taught must be tested a second time.