Does our spirit.....?

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I was asked a very thought provoking question....does our spirit have a tongue, eyes, fingers, mind etc.?Just wondering if any one might want to answer this?
 

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A verse that might have the answer.................. ........................ .............Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 

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if you take that very literally yes, otherwise it is not an answer to your question.
 

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How is Luke 16 not taken literally? This is not a parable...it names actual men. This is a glimpse into the lives ot these two men after death.
 

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I was asked this and then later given this scripture Luke 16:19-31...It is about the rich man and Lazarus. After death they are in the spirit (no physical body)...it speaks of the rich man seeing, feeling, he wants lazarus to take his finger to touch his tongue with water, he is also told to remember...so this says our spirit has a mind.It seems like our spirit is another body form (not physical) that has the same features as our physical. So if we are to live by the Spirit....we need to see spiritual, feel spiritual, hear spiritual, pray(tongues) spiritual.It speaks of the man not in paradise, as I understand it no one is born of the Holy Spirit until after Jesus died on the cross. Salvation was by faith in Jesus to come. If our spirit is reborn with the nature of God, baptized(empowered) by the Holy Spirit....This is how we should live now by the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. We need to learn to hear, see, feel and do the things of the spirit through the guidance of the Holy Spirit. It is our spiritual man that needs to react instead of our physical(flesh) body.Every one thinks I see things weird but I am trying to understand how we walk by the spirit and this was brought to my attention. Just want to see if any one had any insight to this.
 

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The resurrected body of Christ is our example of the spirit Body it is not a ghost it has substance could Christ after he rose be touched, feel, see ??
 

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The resurrected body of Christ is our example of the spirit Body it is not a ghost it has substance could Christ after he rose be touched, feel, see ??
Hello again Kriss. My the Lord bless you
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.If that is the case, and Jesus was walking around in his "spirit body", then where did the physical fleshly body go? He was only dead three days, so it certainly did not degrade... and there was no body in the tomb to be found. Luke 24:3.Also, will our spirit bodies in the next life render wounds suffered in this life as they did for Jesus (as Thomas placed his fingers in the holes that were in Jesus' hands) John 20:26-29? Will the crippled, maimed, and otherwise disfigured be so in their spirit bodies?Of course I ask these questions (so that I don't sneak up on you
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) because I do not believe there is any reason to believe that Jesus was walking around in a spirit body. He was walking around in the very same flesh that he was before He was cruicified. I have no doubt He is in His spiritual body now, in heaven. Personally, I believe we will indeed have "substance" in heaven, like you said... but "substance" is going to take on a totally new meaning... as God is not flesh, he is spirit, and so we will be in heaven. I do not believe our "strength", if such a measure of ones ability exists in heaven, will be dependent upon our muscles.
 

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The resurrected body of Christ is our example of the spirit Body it is not a ghost it has substance could Christ after he rose be touched, feel, see ??
If that is the case, and Jesus was walking around in his "spirit body", then where did the physical fleshly body go? He was only dead three days, so it certainly did not degrade... and there was no body in the tomb to be found. Luke 24:3.Also, will our spirit bodies in the next life render wounds suffered in this life as they did for Jesus (as Thomas placed his fingers in the holes that were in Jesus' hands) John 20:26-29? Will the crippled, maimed, and otherwise disfigured be so in their spirit bodies?Of course I ask these questions (so that I don't sneak up on you
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) because I do not believe there is any reason to believe that Jesus was walking around in a spirit body. He was walking around in the very same flesh that he was before He was cruicified. I have no doubt He is in His spiritual body now, in heaven. Personally, I believe we will indeed have "substance" in heaven, like you said... but "substance" is going to take on a totally new meaning... as God is not flesh, he is spirit, and so we will be in heaven.Ahem, His flesh body can not be resurrected. As flesh and blood can not enter Heaven (I Corinthians 15:50) Of course our spiritual body can feel, hear, and see. How do you explain Genesis 6:2?
 

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Ahem, His flesh body can not be resurrected. As flesh and blood can not enter Heaven (I Corinthians 15:50) Of course our spiritual body can feel, hear, and see. How do you explain Genesis 6:2?
I don't see how flesh and blood not inheriting heaven conflicts. I agree, flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of God, amen. I imagine our spiritual body can indeed "feel", "hear", and "see."Enoch was taken to heaven, and he was in the flesh, Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5. Jesus was transfigured before them before He was ever cruicified, Matthew 17:2. He can clearly change forms however God sees fit. Jesus' body didn't inherit heaven... Jesus did, not His body. His body is gone, vaporized. God knows what was done w/ the molecules and cells that made up His flesh before He was taken to heaven after being cruicified.How do I explain Genesis 6:2? Well, I don't explain it by saying that Jesus walked around in a spirit body.Sorry for the late *EDIT*You also said that His flesh and blood cannot be resurrected. What do you make of the following:In Acts 9:36 Peter raises the widow Dorcas from death.In Acts 20:9 Paul raises the man who fell from the window after an all-night preaching session.And, of course we know that Jesus raised (at least) three different people from the dead--Lazarus being the most known.
 

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The resurrected body of Christ is our example of the spirit Body it is not a ghost it has substance could Christ after he rose be touched, feel, see ??
If that is the case, and Jesus was walking around in his "spirit body", then where did the physical fleshly body go? He was only dead three days, so it certainly did not degrade... and there was no body in the tomb to be found. Luke 24:3.Also, will our spirit bodies in the next life render wounds suffered in this life as they did for Jesus (as Thomas placed his fingers in the holes that were in Jesus' hands) John 20:26-29? Will the crippled, maimed, and otherwise disfigured be so in their spirit bodies?Of course I ask these questions (so that I don't sneak up on you
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) because I do not believe there is any reason to believe that Jesus was walking around in a spirit body. He was walking around in the very same flesh that he was before He was cruicified. I have no doubt He is in His spiritual body now, in heaven. Personally, I believe we will indeed have "substance" in heaven, like you said... but "substance" is going to take on a totally new meaning... as God is not flesh, he is spirit, and so we will be in heaven.Ahem, His flesh body can not be resurrected. As flesh and blood can not enter Heaven (I Corinthians 15:50) Of course our spiritual body can feel, hear, and see. How do you explain Genesis 6:2?I don't see how flesh and blood not inheriting heaven conflicts. Enoch was taken to heaven, and he was in the flesh. Jesus was transfigured before them before He was ever cruicified, Matthew 17:2. He can clearly change forms however God sees fit. Jesus body didn't inherit heaven... Jesus did, not His body. His body is gone, vaporized. God knows what was done w/ the molecules and cells that made up His flesh before He was taken to heaven after being cruicified.How do I explain Genesis 6:2? Well, I don't explain it by saying that Jesus walked around in a spirit body.No single soul in the flesh can not enter Heaven. Enoch did not die, correct. But I'm so sure, he was in his spiritual body when he was taken. As for the rest, you proved God's point that flesh and blood (flesh body) can not inherit the kingdom of God.
 

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I think it is the same body He had before, only changed as He said our bodies will be changed. A spirit by definition does not have form. I think it is that change which leaves what Paul would call the fleshly body behind, but just like Jesus a human still requires a body to be human, to be whole. Our bodies are only fleshly because our spirit and body are not aligned in the sense/way that our physical desires often sway our will to act against our nature, against our best interest, which our spirit should be guiding us toward. That alignment being something Adam originally had and then lost for himself and as one result lost of us all.
 

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No single soul in the flesh can not enter Heaven. Enoch did not die, correct. But I'm so sure, he was in his spiritual body when he was taken. As for the rest, you proved God's point that flesh and blood (flesh body) can not inherit the kingdom of God.
Well... good... I proved a point we already both understood to be true
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. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kindom.I know that I was editing when you were typing, so you didn't get this part.****You also said that His flesh and blood cannot be resurrected. What do you make of the following:In Acts 9:36 Peter raises the widow Dorcas from death.In Acts 20:9 Paul raises the man who fell from the window after an all-night preaching session.And, of course we know that Jesus raised (at least) three different people from the dead--Lazarus being the most known.
 

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Even though our Bible uses the words soul and spirit interchangeably, there is a very distinct difference that we cannot ignore. These passages in God's Word that make a very clear distinction between the soul and the spirit:Hebrews 4:12, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."1 Thessalonians 5:23, "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."So what is the difference between the soul and the spirit?We are a spirit being, we live in a body and we possess a soul. The real person inside of us is our spirit. Our soul consists of our mind, will and emotions.Did you know every body that dies loses 21 grams of weight upon death.
 

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Hello again Kriss. My the Lord bless you
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.If that is the case, and Jesus was walking around in his "spirit body", then where did the physical fleshly body go? He was only dead three days, so it certainly did not degrade... and there was no body in the tomb to be found. Luke 24:3.Also, will our spirit bodies in the next life render wounds suffered in this life as they did for Jesus (as Thomas placed his fingers in the holes that were in Jesus' hands) John 20:26-29? Will the crippled, maimed, and otherwise disfigured be so in their spirit bodies?Of course I ask these questions (so that I don't sneak up on you
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) because I do not believe there is any reason to believe that Jesus was walking around in a spirit body. He was walking around in the very same flesh that he was before He was cruicified. I have no doubt He is in His spiritual body now, in heaven. Personally, I believe we will indeed have "substance" in heaven, like you said... but "substance" is going to take on a totally new meaning... as God is not flesh, he is spirit, and so we will be in heaven. I do not believe our "strength", if such a measure of ones ability exists in heaven, will be dependent upon our muscles.
Remember the Transfiguration :study:
 

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Even though our Bible uses the words soul and spirit interchangeably, there is a very distinct difference that we cannot ignore. These passages in God's Word that make a very clear distinction between the soul and the spirit:Hebrews 4:12, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."1 Thessalonians 5:23, "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."So what is the difference between the soul and the spirit?We are a spirit being, we live in a body and we possess a soul. The real person inside of us is our spirit. Our soul consists of our mind, will and emotions.Did you know every body that dies loses 21 grams of weight upon death.
So the real us (soul) puts up with some of those weight. No I did not know that, but thanks for telling me.
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I think most folks have always held that all living things have spirits, though not all of those immortal. Also widely held even today is that our spirit being human and unlike other animals, is also an immortal soul. At times various groups have believed humans have a trichomoty existence, a body soul and spirit. I go with the former belief.
 

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The way I understand the Spirit, Soul and Body is........The Spirit is the person, as Kriss said.....Our nature at birth is of the world, sin and death.The Soul is the mind...This is where knowledge is stored, when we are born it is empty..until we gain knowledge of the world around us.The thing about this state is without Christ a person learns to live by his soul-what he learns, how to live. A man can be good because he is taught to be good, even though there is no change in his spirit. Most people will put up barriers between his spirit and soul. This kind of living is still self serving, there is no love of God, he is only acting good because he was taught to be good. When a person is born again, especially if he is an adult and has walked by the soul for a long time...he has trouble learning to walk by the spirit. We have to learn to tear down the barrier between the soul and the spirit. Otherwise...we will shut out the voice of God that speaks through our spirit (some people call this our conscience). When God gives us direction in our lives and we ignore it then we are quenching the Spirit. (1 Tim 4 also calls it seared) Our spirits voice is now the Holy Spirit speaking to us. The Holy Spirit is like fire and he will burn away the bad habits, thoughts, unforgiveness.It is through the inner witness (spirit) (Rom. 8:1) that we hear and experience the work of the Holy Spirit. We will not see, hear or speak spiritually if we ignore our inner witness. When we are baptized by the Spirit is is in our spirit that this is done. He does not empower us to disciple the flesh (this can be done with out the Spirit). He empowers us to be able to manifest the Holy Spirit.
 

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Even though our Bible uses the words soul and spirit interchangeably, there is a very distinct difference that we cannot ignore. These passages in God's Word that make a very clear distinction between the soul and the spirit:Hebrews 4:12, "For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."1 Thessalonians 5:23, "And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."So what is the difference between the soul and the spirit?We are a spirit being, we live in a body and we possess a soul. The real person inside of us is our spirit. Our soul consists of our mind, will and emotions.Did you know every body that dies loses 21 grams of weight upon death.
Yes, you are right. There is a great difference between soul and spirit. "We are a spirit being, we live in a body and we possess a soul. The real person inside of us is our spirit. Our soul consists of our mind, will and emotions."Amen, exactly.
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